Ouch - Illegal bleeder valves on the #38 at Pocono?

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If true, this could hurt, BIG TIME! Don't mess with tires, engines or fuel.

Sources tell Sirius NASCAR Radio's Sirius Speedway with Dave Moody that NASCAR discovered clandestine [secrecy or concealed] air pressure bleeder valves on the tires of Travis Kvapil's #38 Front Row Motorsports Ford Sunday at Pocono Raceway. Following the rain delay, NASCAR officials reportedly observed two soft tires on the rear of Kvapil's car and held him from rolling back onto the track for the start of the race. Closer examination of those tire and wheel assemblies allegedly revealed illegal bleeder valves, which purge excess air pressure from the tires as it accumulates under race conditions. If confirmed, the team would likely face a major NASCAR penalty, since tires are considered to be one of the sanctions "untouchable" items, along with engines and fuel.
 
I remember hearing that he had TWO flat tires and thought that was strange.
 
interesting, and not a bad idea except for the oops, dang rain done us in, factor. to my knowledge nascar doesn't routinely inspect all tires after use.
 
Do you think it'll be a 'Carl Long' type fine or just simply 'Actions Detrimental' with a slap on the wrist?
 
I'll take Carl Long for 100 grand,100 points and probation Alex.
 
Those things are pretty easy to spot in a rim. I thought Goodyear mounts the tires for the teams. Either goodyear is blind or they dont care, or the 38 team mounted atleast 2 tires themselves lol.
 
The parts in question were valve-stem caps from the team's tires. There wasn't an extra valve or anything. Trick caps. :growl:
 
Since Carl Long's fine was $200,000.00. And basing it on Moody's twitter. And being as it was certainly an intentional act..... I'll call it @ $250,000.00.
 
UPDATE: After yesterday's story about Front Row's possible infraction at Pocono, [NASCAR Insiders] are hearing today that the penalty from NASCAR could be the biggest ever handed down. When NASCAR makes the announcement later today or tomorrow, expect the penalty to include a $250,000 fine and 300 driver and owner points for Travis Kvapil and owner Bob Jenkins. A suspension for crew chief Steven Lane will also be included. This penalty tops the sanctions handed down last season to Carl Long's team after his engine was discovered to be too large at Charlotte. No word yet on how this will affect the team's status moving forward. Expect the team to appeal the decision. (NASCAR Insiders)(6-8-2010)


They should change their team name to Back Row Motorsports now.
 
mike honcho said:
UPDATE: After yesterday's story about Front Row's possible infraction at Pocono, [NASCAR Insiders] are hearing today that the penalty from NASCAR could be the biggest ever handed down. When NASCAR makes the announcement later today or tomorrow, expect the penalty to include a $250,000 fine and 300 driver and owner points for Travis Kvapil and owner Bob Jenkins. A suspension for crew chief Steven Lane will also be included. This penalty tops the sanctions handed down last season to Carl Long's team after his engine was discovered to be too large at Charlotte. No word yet on how this will affect the team's status moving forward. Expect the team to appeal the decision. (NASCAR Insiders)(6-8-2010)
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mike honcho said:
They should change their team name to Back Row Motorsports now.
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DQ Motorsports works better.
 
Wow that would be huge but you have to ask if this were a Gibbs, Hendrick or Roush car if they would have the same punishment?
 
Stewart Fan said:
Wow that would be huge but you have to ask if this were a Gibbs, Hendrick or Roush car if they would have the same punishment?
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I think they would of just took 25 points and fined them somewhere around $50,000. That is about the norm you get from the big teams when they get in trouble. I think another reason they did this to this team is because they keep playing musical chairs everyweek to assure Kevin Conway has a ride since im assuming he is the one paying the bills. Conway consistantly runs laps 2 to 5 mph slower and everytime he falls out of the top 35 in points they have him drive the 37 or 34. This seems like a way for Nascar to not only stick it to them but to try and make an example that they will have harse punishment.
 
It seems most everyone always thinks that if it were one of the 'big teams' that NASCAR wouldn't hand out a big fine but IMO that's not the case. NASCAR stated quite a while back, when they went to the new car, that fines would increase dramatically for infractions, and they have, for all teams. The number of infractions has decreased significantly since they started doing this. Tires, engines, & fuel modifications have always been an area to avoid. I guess we'll never really know what the penalty would be for one of the so called 'big teams' until they get caught for one of these types of infractions. We saw Michael Waltrip Racing receive a huge fine in February 2007 for Fuel/Additive. Then we saw Carl Long receive an even bigger fine in May 2009 for an oversized engine. I sure wouldn't expect to see anything less for Front Row.

Here's a list of the top 7 penalty's to date.....

#46-Carl Long, May 2009, Lowe's Motor Speedway/Sprint Showdown, Oversized Engine, Charles Swing, $200,000/200, 12 race suspension

#55-Michael Waltrip Racing, Feb. 2007, Daytona, Fuel/Additive, David Hyder $100,000/100 Indefinite Suspension

#24-Jeff Gordon/Hendrick Motorsports, July 2007, Sonoma, Front Fender Manipulation, Steve Letarte, $100,000/100, 6 races

#48-Jimmie Johnson/Hendrick Motorsports, July 2007, Sonoma, Front Fender Manipulation, Chad Knaus, $100,000/100, 6 races

#2-Kurt Busch/Penske Racing, June 2007, Dover, Endangering crew member, Drivers $100,000, Team/Driver 100 pts

#8-Dale Earnhardt Inc. May 2007, Darlington, Rear Wing Brackets, Tony Eury Jr. $100,000/100, 6 events

#24-Hendrick Motorsports May 1995, suspension parts, Ray Evernham $60,000/none None
 
The team was found to be in violation of Sections 12-1 (actions detrimental to stock car racing); 12-4-J (any determination by NASCAR officials that the race equipment used in the event does not conform to NASCAR rules); and 20-10.7J (unapproved modification to valve stem hardware) of the 2010 NASCAR Rule Book.

As a result, crew chief Steve Lane has been fined $100,000, suspended for the next 12 Sprint Cup events, suspended from NASCAR until Sept. 15 and placed on probation until Dec. 31.

Car chief Richard Bourgeois and tire specialist Michael Harrold have also been suspended for the next 12 Sprint Cup events, suspended from NASCAR until Sept. 15 and placed on probation until Dec. 31.

Driver Travis Kvapil and owner Doug Yates have been penalized with the loss of 150 driver and 150 owner points.
 
Stewart Fan said:
The team was found to be in violation of Sections 12-1 (actions detrimental to stock car racing); 12-4-J (any determination by NASCAR officials that the race equipment used in the event does not conform to NASCAR rules); and 20-10.7J (unapproved modification to valve stem hardware) of the 2010 NASCAR Rule Book.

As a result, crew chief Steve Lane has been fined $100,000, suspended for the next 12 Sprint Cup events, suspended from NASCAR until Sept. 15 and placed on probation until Dec. 31.

Car chief Richard Bourgeois and tire specialist Michael Harrold have also been suspended for the next 12 Sprint Cup events, suspended from NASCAR until Sept. 15 and placed on probation until Dec. 31.

Driver Travis Kvapil and owner Doug Yates have been penalized with the loss of 150 driver and 150 owner points.
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did they even make that many points last year?
 
hahahahahha

APPEAL: Front Row Motorsports supports NASCAR in its efforts to enforce competition rules and to maintain integrity throughout the sport. Therefore, Front Row accepts that NASCAR must penalize the team for a rules infraction regarding valve stem caps on the #38 car at Pocono Raceway on June 6. "We take the rules of this sport very seriously, and we support NASCAR in its enforcement of those rules," said Bob Jenkins, team owner. "It was not our intent to put unapproved valve stem caps on our car at Pocono, a track where such a maneuver would clearly not provide any advantage. We are conducting our own internal investigation to determine how those parts got into our inventory and onto our car last weekend. "While we recognize we have to pay for our mistake, this was an unintentional, isolated incident," Jenkins continued. "We plan to immediately submit an appeal through NASCAR's formal appeal process as outlined by the NASCAR rule book." The team's three entries will compete this weekend at Michigan International Speedway.(Breaking Limits)


you got caught be a man and own up to it.
 
mike honcho said:
hahahahahha

APPEAL: Front Row Motorsports supports NASCAR in its efforts to enforce competition rules and to maintain integrity throughout the sport. Therefore, Front Row accepts that NASCAR must penalize the team for a rules infraction regarding valve stem caps on the #38 car at Pocono Raceway on June 6. "We take the rules of this sport very seriously, and we support NASCAR in its enforcement of those rules," said Bob Jenkins, team owner. "It was not our intent to put unapproved valve stem caps on our car at Pocono, a track where such a maneuver would clearly not provide any advantage. We are conducting our own internal investigation to determine how those parts got into our inventory and onto our car last weekend. "While we recognize we have to pay for our mistake, this was an unintentional, isolated incident," Jenkins continued. "We plan to immediately submit an appeal through NASCAR's formal appeal process as outlined by the NASCAR rule book." The team's three entries will compete this weekend at Michigan International Speedway.(Breaking Limits)


you got caught be a man and own up to it.
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no kidding. In otherwords, he's saying "We were hoping we wouldn't be caught, but we were, so we're gonna lie out of it even know we know we'll lose anyways"
 
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