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So as far as the drivers that come with sponserships, everyone knows the obvious ones (Paul Menard, John Wrecks Weekly), and a lot of people know about some others (Larry Butler Jr, Brendan Gaughan). However, I was reading a article about those people the other day, and it mentioned Brian Scott being one of those drivers. Does his dad own Shore Lodge or something? Also, I also read somewhere else Joey Logano was one of those drivers, but I really doubt that. Anyone know about Scott or any other drivers I'm forgetting?
 
Captain Coyfish said:
So as far as the drivers that come with sponserships, everyone knows the obvious ones (Paul Menard, John Wrecks Weekly), and a lot of people know about some others (Larry Butler Jr, Brendan Gaughan). However, I was reading a article about those people the other day, and it mentioned Brian Scott being one of those drivers. Does his dad own Shore Lodge or something? Also, I also read somewhere else Joey Logano was one of those drivers, but I really doubt that. Anyone know about Scott or any other drivers I'm forgetting?
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Brian Scott is the heir to the Albertsons grocery store chain.

Are we just talking about drivers who grew up rich? Or drivers whose family business sponsors them?

Also, in NHRA drag racing, Jeg Coughlin Jr. is sponsored by Jegs and Morgan Lucas is sponsored by Lucas Motor Oil.

This phenomenon of buying seat time in cars is nothing new. They used to call them "gentlemen drivers" in F1 back in the 1960s. Anybody who has the money to pay for the gas, tires & oil can race the car on Sunday.
 
Just about all have to have the parents help these days. By the time a driver paid his way to race with his own money, that he earned, he would br to old to get help from anyone else.
 
I don't think that it is possible for anyone to rise to the cup level without the support of family connections or the personal friendship of a corporate partner. To think that there is some squeeky clean driver out there who owes no one is crazy.
 
What I mean is parents who directly sponser their kid, like Menards did to Menard and Zaxbys did to JWW.

Also, if Brian Scott's dad owns Albertsons, why isn't he sponsered by them?
 
ted@economy said:
My question is , Why do we see it as a negative thing ?
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The limitations bother me. Simply put a poor boy doesnt have a chance to show his talent.
My one shot went lousy, I did some dumb things like racing on a bank loan etc....thats was just dumb, but still the odds of one man doing on his own) all of the prep, drive it) is impossibile.

Racing fans are primarily blue collar folks, It is harder to relate to drivers who are becoming less blue collar with every generation.

The greatest driver ever probably raced at a Saturday night short track and never had a chance to demonstrate his talent to the rest of the world.

That is why folks are cynical when they see an Austin Dillian trying to be an Alpha with his cowboy hat. There are probably a 100 drivers running local tracks that could do better with the same advantages. The problem is self evident
 
The greatest driver ever probably raced at a Saturday night short track and never had a chance to demonstrate his talent to the rest of the world.
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Back in the mid 70s my husband and I worked with a guy who possibly could have been great had he gotten his break in the 50s when he went used to go door to door with AJ Foyt, and beating him.
 
Greg said:
The limitations bother me. Simply put a poor boy doesnt have a chance to show his talent.
My one shot went lousy, I did some dumb things like racing on a bank loan etc....thats was just dumb, but still the odds of one man doing on his own) all of the prep, drive it) is impossibile.

Racing fans are primarily blue collar folks, It is harder to relate to drivers who are becoming less blue collar with every generation.

The greatest driver ever probably raced at a Saturday night short track and never had a chance to demonstrate his talent to the rest of the world.

That is why folks are cynical when they see an Austin Dillian trying to be an Alpha with his cowboy hat. There are probably a 100 drivers running local tracks that could do better with the same advantages. The problem is self evident
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But (as you say) it is an impossible dream , so do we really have to get down on folks who do get a break by accident of birth or chance meeting with a benifactor? Are those drivers to blame for taking advantage of a gift ? And ,honestly , a lot of them don't make it because they don't have the talent. For all the crap that we give Menard , he is likely the best driver at RCR this year.
 
ted@economy said:
But (as you say) it is an impossible dream , so do we really have to get down on folks who do get a break by accident of birth or chance meeting with a benifactor? Are those drivers to blame for taking advantage of a gift ? And ,honestly , a lot of them don't make it because they don't have the talent. For all the crap that we give Menard , he is likely the best driver at RCR this year.
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You make some good points and they shouldn't have to apoligize for their opportunities. But we shouldnt deny the limited birthrights either (I dont think you are denying the point). Racing needs to see an underdog beat the odds, we have a few like Brad, Biffle and others that did, just wish we had more. The common man needs to see them.
Menard: A good cup driver who has self disciplined himself into getting better with time. I respect that.
But I have to disagre, he will never be as good as Harvick. Manard is C grade cup driver thst belongs, with hard work he is B grade. But he will never be among the elite. Harvick imo is at least a top 10 type.
 
Look back in history, drivers usually built and raced their own car out of pocket with small limited sponsors. Look at Big E's start.
I'm sure there's many drivers at many local tracks that can go door to door with the current crop of drivers, including 5 time, and beat them. A case of right place at the right time for most.
 
Greg said:
You make some good points and they shouldn't have to apoligize for their opportunities. But we shouldnt deny the limited birthrights either (I dont think you are denying the point). Racing needs to see an underdog beat the odds, we have a few like Brad, Biffle and others that did, just wish we had more. The common man needs to see them.
Menard: A good cup driver who has self disciplined himself into getting better with time. I respect that.
But I have to disagre, he will never be as good as Harvick. Manard is C grade cup driver thst belongs, with hard work he is B grade. But he will never be among the elite. Harvick imo is at least a top 10 type.
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Harvick should be ahead of Menard ,I'll give you that , but he isn't right now . I think Carl might be a better example of hard work and beating the odds . Brad had a foot in the door with his family race team and Biffle was helped in by Benny Parsons .
 
Captain Coyfish said:
Also, if Brian Scott's dad owns Albertsons, why isn't he sponsered by them?
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Kind of like how they "sponsered" Brian Scott when he was in Craftsman truck?

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I worked at a grocery store in high school. Grocery stores make tiny tiny profit margins on what they sell. Like Jeffrey00 said, they probably don't have the money to fund Brian Scott's career as he gets further and further up the ladder.

Besides, you have to think of it from a marketing angle. NASCAR customers are a big market for home improvement chains. Home Depot and Lowe's already sponsor NASCAR cars. Menards would probably be in the sport even if the owners' son didn't drive a car. NASCAR is probably not on Albertson's marketing radar.
 
KevinWI said:
Kind of like how they "sponsered" Brian Scott when he was in Craftsman truck?

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I worked at a grocery store in high school. Grocery stores make tiny tiny profit margins on what they sell. Like Jeffrey00 said, they probably don't have the money to fund Brian Scott's career as he gets further and further up the ladder.

Besides, you have to think of it from a marketing angle. NASCAR customers are a big market for home improvement chains. Home Depot and Lowe's already sponsor NASCAR cars. Menards would probably be in the sport even if the owners' son didn't drive a car. NASCAR is probably not on Albertson's marketing radar.
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When did they sponser him? I remember him being sponsered by Dollar General when in the trucks.
 
Even Late Model racing has become a rich person's game. Honestly, when I see a guy pull in on an open trailer, that's the person I root for.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Even Late Model racing has become a rich person's game. Honestly, when I see a guy pull in on an open trailer, that's the person I root for.
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I think even the Street Stocks and Mini-Stocks are starting to become a rich person's game. All that's left is Hornet and UCARS.
 
SpeedPagan said:
I think even the Street Stocks and Mini-Stocks are starting to become a rich person's game. All that's left is Hornet and UCARS.
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I think NASCAR's about to take the money right out of Late Model Stock Car racing. Kingsport's already done it with their "shock rule" - gives guys like Kyle Barnes a chance to compete. If NASCAR implements that all across the NWAAS, it could take some of these guys right out of the picture.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I think NASCAR's about to take the money right out of Late Model Stock Car racing. Kingsport's already done it with their "shock rule" - gives guys like Kyle Barnes a chance to compete. If NASCAR implements that all across the NWAAS, it could take some of these guys right out of the picture.
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Wait...what? Mind explaining this please?
 
KevinWI said:
Kind of like how they "sponsered" Brian Scott when he was in Craftsman truck?

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I worked at a grocery store in high school. Grocery stores make tiny tiny profit margins on what they sell. Like Jeffrey00 said, they probably don't have the money to fund Brian Scott's career as he gets further and further up the ladder.

Besides, you have to think of it from a marketing angle. NASCAR customers are a big market for home improvement chains. Home Depot and Lowe's already sponsor NASCAR cars. Menards would probably be in the sport even if the owners' son didn't drive a car. NASCAR is probably not on Albertson's marketing radar.
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John Menard's been involved in Indy for a long time..... owned a team in the 1990s.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Even Late Model racing has become a rich person's game. Honestly, when I see a guy pull in on an open trailer, that's the person I root for.
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A friend of mine had to quit late when his $25,000 (annual) sponsor dropped out. He was a Super Pro series champion who routinely ran up front but there was no way he could have been competitive with out the sponsor paying for high performance parts.
 
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