Pemberton: 'There's no such thing as an old piece'

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CHARLOTTE - NASCAR Vice President of Competition Robin Pemberton said he wasn't sure exactly when the illegal brackets got on the No. 8 Dale Earnhardt Inc. car, but he knows one thing for sure: They didn't match the brackets that were supposed to be on the car during prerace inspection May 12 at Darlington Raceway.

NASCAR suspended crew chief Tony Eury Jr. through the race at Infineon Speedway (six points races), fined him $100,000 and docked Dale Earnhardt Jr. 100 driver points and the team 100 owner points.


The team had said in a statement that they used some old pieces that were used in the development of the car and will appeal the severity of the penalty.

"It was just wrong," Pemberton said Wednesday prior to the Nextel Pit Crew Challenge. "I can't weigh in whether I thought it was intentional. There's no such thing as an old piece. This car isn't that old to have a lot of old pieces laying around."

The car got through pre-qualifying inspection but did not get through prerace inspection. Could the team have changed the brackets between those inspection times?

"I doubt that because they were sealed on the car in the right positions," Pemberton said. "What brought it to light was the fact of the extreme wing angle in prerace inspection. I don't know [how it was done]. All I know is that it was wrong. ... We'll see what comes out of this as far as our procedures."

NASCAR had warned teams not to mess with the car of tomorrow, but Pemberton said this was part of the ramped up penalties that started at Daytona earlier this year.

"We had warned people for the entire year," Pemberton said. "This falls in line with everything we've done since the beginning of the season."

Eury Jr., who would miss six points races plus the all-star event because of the suspension, can attend the all-star race this weekend because the case is under appeal. If he loses the appeal, NASCAR likely won't shoot for a seven-race suspension.

"Six points races ... was what we were shooting for," Pemberton said. "This [weekend] just happened to fall into that [time frame]."
 
Wouldn't it be refreshing for a crew chief to say "You know what, you guys caught us. We thought we could bend this rule and not get caught but you guys were up to the task. We're sorry and we won't do it again"? Or something else to the same effect maybe?

But no. We get the same old lame excuses. Anybody remember who wrote the book about his experiences trying to cheat in NASCAR called "All right you sons-o-bitches let's race"? I know it was an old crew chief from way back, I just don't remember who it was. :confused:
 
Funny isn't it?

If I'm playing cards and get caught with an ace up my sleeve I get booted from the game, lose all my money and maybe get the crap kicked of me.

If I get caught cheating on my girlfriend, I get shown the door and maybe even worse! And,IMHO, I deserve whatever is coming to me.

Why it's considered Ok to cheat in Nascar and not the rest of life, I don't know :(
 
I think the "old piece" he's referring to is brackets from the R & D phase of the car.
 
Funny isn't it? Why it's considered Ok to cheat in Nascar and not the rest of life, I don't know :(

I think that it's because cheating has been a part of the series from the git-go. Whether it's at the local level, or at the top of the sport, these guys are going to push the envelope as far as they can. While in the old days, cheating was quite different than what goes on today, it's still the same thing, trying to find an edge that will put you ahead of the next guy.

I've heard that with the COT, they are right now very generous with what they look for and because of that, someone might try to get away with something that might be obvious, but then say they never knew. But as the races go on with the COT, I'm sure the standards are getting stricter and stricter.
 
Ok so it changed the wing angle, what i don't get is why Nascar doesn't allow the teams to tinker with this in the first place. They should be allowed withing a certain range, to adjust the angle of the wing to make more or less downforce. It would seem to me this would make the cars better instead of being version of the IROC car.
 
Ok so it changed the wing angle, what i don't get is why Nascar doesn't allow the teams to tinker with this in the first place. They should be allowed withing a certain range, to adjust the angle of the wing to make more or less downforce. It would seem to me this would make the cars better instead of being version of the IROC car.

Here's your answer. They are allowed a range. Lil'E was outside that range.

Rule 20 -- 3.1.3b of the Nextel Cup rule book, governing the "car of tomorrow," states "The NASCAR-approved upper and lower rear wing mounting brackets must not be modified to obtain a rear wing angle of less than zero (0) degrees or more than 16 degrees."

Pemberton said a bulletin issued March 21 before the car's first race at Bristol (Tenn.) informed teams that if any previously certified component has been "altered, modified or repaired," that team would face fines of at least 100 points and $100,000 along with possible suspensions and probations.

So if this is true the teams knew the approved range the angle could be and what the penalties would be if they were caught.
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Now the ? is what was learned by having a steeper angle which led NASCAR to stop @ 16 degrees. If there are any engineers out there maybe they have the answer.
But, I have to say they told the teams what the minimum punishment would be and they stuck to that even tho they knew it wouldn't be a popular decision with the fans.
That is what I want to see more of. Posted rules with known penalties. Let it be in ink and not pencil.
 
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