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from jayski's.....gotta be registered at Dallas Morning News to get the link to work so this is all the more I can get

"Penske thinks Cup drivers should be limited in BGN: Team owner Roger Penske says it's time to put a limit on the number of Winston Cup drivers who compete in Busch series events: "If a driver doesn't run half the races in Cup, he should be able to drop down to Busch. If it's more than half, he should only be in Cup and give the other guys in Busch a chance."(Dallas Morning News)(10-10-2002)"


Roger is going to find himself as one of my heros real quick if he keeps this kind of thinking up.
 
I couldn't agree more. I'm not a fan of Penske's, but I hope the "powers that be" give a listen. Keep those Cup guys out of Busch.
 
Yeah, I've always thought Roger had a good head on his shoulders.

It's a rare moment when I disagree with something he says.
 
Limiting the number of BGN races a Cupper can race is a tough rule to put into place. I know NASCAR has thought about it before, but Cup drivers are still drivers, and have as much right to race in any other series as they do Cup. They have sponsors that want them to race for them in Busch, and the Cup drivers in the BGN series has helped the sport as a whole by encouraging fans that pull for their Cup drivers to watch them in the BGN series. In turn, more fans are watching the BGN series and learning about other drivers, and that has helped keep that series on it's feet even through hard economic times.

I've never really liked the idea of Busch Whackers, but I don't really know if a ban is going to be the right or a fair solution.
 
Fair?

Ask some sponsorless up and comer what fair is when Jr and Waltrip and Burton steal all the thunder out of the big races.
 
Paul did you forget you are talking about Nascar?A good commercial is way more valuable than an honest opinion.:) Don't even think for one minute that the shiners will never be allowed in a lower series.Thats what sells those tickets.;)
 
yeah, i think the cup drivers need to stay in cup.. it really hurts the BGN drivers who are running for the BGN championship.
 
Originally posted by pbunch
Paul did you forget you are talking about Nascar?A good commercial is way more valuable than an honest opinion.:) Don't even think for one minute that the shiners will never be allowed in a lower series.Thats what sells those tickets.;)
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I know. But I gotta hang onto this last remaining lintball of hope I have for the sport. ;)
 
I've always thought Cup drivers should stay with Cup races. An analogy that came to mind years ago was a Varisity football player playing in a Jr. Varsity game. You move up, you stay up. You want to go back, then retire your Cup ride and go back to Busch. I know fans like to see their favorites race no matter where, but those Busch Whackers (Ringers.......whatever) steal points from the Busch guys. An example: A close race for a championship and the two top Busch guys have a less than stellar day and wind up out of the top ten but within a couple positions of each other. Three Cup guys are in the top ten. Two or three points could be made up by the trailing Busch guy if those three Cup drivers where there (the Cup guys are not racing for any Championship). Because they are out of the top ten the Busch guys get fewer points. The Busch guy (leader or second) doesn't extend or narrow the points chase. It's not fair to the full time Busch drivers. And quite frankly, I wonder why a Cup guy would ever want to "step back". They like to race, let them race other series..........not Busch or even Trucks (those are traditional lower leagues leading to the top league). Tony Stewart and Ken Schrader do it all the time..........but you don't see them in Busch races.:)


Yes, Paul, I know Jr does it too.......still not right.:)
 
You know as much as I am Martin fan,I think he robbed the Busch series,and those drivers,and maybe himself of the Winston cup chance.;)
 
I think Tony even raced, once, in a CTS race. Had to shake my head at that one.
 
I think it would be a really bad idea to have no Cup drivers in the Busch series. If this happened this year many of the races would have staeted with less than a full field. If they want to make any rules for Cup drivers they should put a cap on how many Cup drivers can qualify for a Busch race or make any Cup driver that starts a Busch race start from the back of the pack (They already have a rule that states that a Cup driver 25th or higher in points can not use a provisinal for a race).
 
Originally posted by Nascar24rainbow
I think it would be a really bad idea to have no Cup drivers in the Busch series. If this happened this year many of the races would have staeted with less than a full field. If they want to make any rules for Cup drivers they should put a cap on how many Cup drivers can qualify for a Busch race or make any Cup driver that starts a Busch race start from the back of the pack (They already have a rule that states that a Cup driver 25th or higher in points can not use a provisinal for a race).
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Why not if a cup driver is in the top 10 in Winston he is not eligable for Busch.
 
Originally posted by Nascar24rainbow
I think it would be a really bad idea to have no Cup drivers in the Busch series. If this happened this year many of the races would have staeted with less than a full field. If they want to make any rules for Cup drivers they should put a cap on how many Cup drivers can qualify for a Busch race or make any Cup driver that starts a Busch race start from the back of the pack (They already have a rule that states that a Cup driver 25th or higher in points can not use a provisinal for a race).
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Going to throw a "what if". What if no Cup drivers where allowed to race in the Busch series (or Truck series)........would more sponsors be able to sponsor cars? If Gain will only sponsor Jeff Burton in a Busch car then they would vacate the series. Maybe Ajax would step up......they wouldn't have to compete with all Gain's money and they just might be able to do it. Or if Gain stayed they wouldn't have to pay the driver top money and it may just make it possible for them to sponsor another driver (Gain is diversified.......many products by same company). I think they could fill the field......Heck go to ARCA and get an up and coming Busch guy! Besides, what's wrong with a 36 car field?:)
 
Originally posted by DE Wrangler 2
Besides, what's wrong with a 36 car field?:)
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Nothing, good point.

Why there needs to be 45+ cars out there at all is beyond me.

Half of them don't belong in WC as it is.
 
Not a damn thing wrong with that Wrangler,Except the TV coverage.Same ol song,and dance.
 
all of this has been said before the thing is will nascar ever do anything about it?
 
Well ya know what kids? Got two races at the superspeedway this weekend. Winston West and Craftsman Truck.

guess which one I'm going to?

Winston West.
 
Originally posted by paul
Nah, we're just bitchin.
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AND, let's not forget, it is Na$car.

I, personally, don't like Buschwackers because it's like taking a lot away from the hopefuls.

AND, yes PB, Na$ca$h won't do a damn thing IMHO
 
I kinda like seeing the bushwackers but in another way I don't. I would like to see NASCAR put a limit on them. Maybe like 5 races.
 
Originally posted by DE Wrangler 2
Going to throw a "what if".  What if no Cup drivers where allowed to race in the Busch series (or Truck series)........would more sponsors be able to sponsor cars?  If  Gain will only sponsor Jeff Burton in a Busch car then they would vacate the series.  Maybe Ajax would step up......they wouldn't have to compete with all Gain's money and they just might be able to do it.  Or if Gain stayed they wouldn't have to pay the driver top money and it may just make it possible for them to sponsor another driver (Gain is diversified.......many products by same company).  I think they could fill the field......Heck go to ARCA and get an up and coming Busch guy!  Besides, what's wrong with a 36 car field?:)
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Many sponsors want to be with a top driver so they get shown during race coverage. Most Winston Cup drivers that race in the Busch series in the sponors eyes are top drivers. If no Winston Cup drivers were not aloud to race in the Busch series there would be less sponsors. And if there are less than 43 cars in a field NASCAR losses T.V. money that goes towards the race winnings (which is low to start off with).
 
The sponsors who want the top drivers (Cup guys) to race with their colors on the cars will have to settle for a top driver in the series (regular driver) or move on to Cup......or just not participate. Makes room for sponsors who might not have the big bucks to enter the sport. I don't see where it makes a difference if the driver is Cup or Busch........he's good, he will run up front. Difference would be that if Biffle was top Busch regular in a race he would get all the points for "winning" among the rest of the Busch regulars, instead of only getting the points for coming in, say, third.........not to mention the money!:) I don't think the sponsors will bail, though.......they might even welcome it since they could get a driver at less money.
 
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