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SST55
Guest
203 mph,,,think we'll see a smaller plate by the time the duels and especially the 500 come around?
Crap, I hope not. After the tire test sessions NASCAR said they were going to leave the plate alone.
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GREAT AMERICAN RACE FAN
Guest
Let em have at it!!!
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SlowNeasy
Guest
i think they will see how the duels go before deciding. if the duels go ok then no change for the 500. they should learn something in the shootout tonight.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Not that it's what I want, but I imagine that they'll reduce them. They've always said that they don't want these cars going that fast. Personally, I don't really care as it's just a number anyway. Without them telling you or only if you had a stopwatch, you'd never be able to see the 10 mph difference. If it makes the difference between these cars staying within the confines of the track or sitting next to or on top of someone in the stands then I'm all for a change. I'd kinda like to see this sport stay around for a while.
I do like how they were able to make those two car runs that last Talladega race. It was something new to restrictor plate racing. It seems in Bud Shootout practice that they were all experimenting with it even more. I just hope that whatever they decide to do with the plate that it doesn't take away from that.
I do like how they were able to make those two car runs that last Talladega race. It was something new to restrictor plate racing. It seems in Bud Shootout practice that they were all experimenting with it even more. I just hope that whatever they decide to do with the plate that it doesn't take away from that.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Breaking.....
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SlowNeasy
Guest
so how many engines are going to go *poof*? some drivers are going to push it past the limits.
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Mopardh9
Guest
that's my thinking i think the 2 car drafts are great....adds more strategy to things
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Mopardh9
Guest
Agreed,especially because it is a short race tonight.
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Mopardh9
Guest
Exactly. Now I think NA$CAR wants a 43 car parade.
Which sucks, not racing!
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MoMike
Guest
If these engines go "poof" it'll be because they're sustaining 9500 rpm's.
My feeling of what we'll see is no tape on any of the grills, and an attempt to still run those 2 car drafts for as long as they can.
At this point in the sport, I believe the Talladega cars and Daytona cars will be interchangeable.
Daytona being smooth enough, that downforce won't be much of an issue for a couple years, and if they make them go to a smaller plate, even more so.
MoMike
My feeling of what we'll see is no tape on any of the grills, and an attempt to still run those 2 car drafts for as long as they can.
At this point in the sport, I believe the Talladega cars and Daytona cars will be interchangeable.
Daytona being smooth enough, that downforce won't be much of an issue for a couple years, and if they make them go to a smaller plate, even more so.
MoMike
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Mopardh9
Guest
It's going to be cool tonight so not many will go poof. It is RPM revolutions per minute, not minutes BTW. Just a pet peeve of mine, the announcers abuse this all the time.
VaDirt
Dirt Track Fanatic
It's going to be cool tonight so not many will go poof. It is RPM revolutions per minute, not minutes BTW. Just a pet peeve of mine, the announcers abuse this all the time.
So if you wanna say it right, ya gotta say "RsPM"
So if you wanna say it right, ya gotta say "RsPM"
You beat me to it while I was logging in.
mike honcho
Knuckleheads
So there will be 2 types of cars tonight based off of the tape on the nose.Pushees and pushers.
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MoMike
Guest
If we were points racing, maybe, but I gotta think they're all going for broke, to win it.
I believe they'll all be aggressive.
VaDirt
Dirt Track Fanatic
I wonder if that means NASCAR has their ducts in a row...
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Mopardh9
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dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Word is that there's not going to be any change in plate size. They are going to further restrict air to the cooling system in an attempt to limit the amount of time that the two car drafts can stay hooked together.
Crew chiefs getting bulletin at NASCAR hauler. No plate change but changes to cooling system.
Crew chiefs getting bulletin at NASCAR hauler. No plate change but changes to cooling system.
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SlowNeasy
Guest
i like
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
More detail on the upcoming changes.....
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. – NASCAR has made two changes to the cooling systems for Sprint Cup Series cars in an effort to keep the cars from running in two-car drafts for extended periods of time on the newly repaved Daytona International Speedway oval.
The new rules, provided to crew chiefs following Sunday’s Daytona 500 qualifying session, will make the engines run hotter when hooked up in the draft, and will force the driver pushing another car to drop off or run the risk of overheating his engine.
The change was the result of what took place in Saturday night’s Budweiser Shootout, which featured sets of two-car packs instead of one big pack, with drivers running consistent laps of more than 200 mph, topping out at 206 mph by Kyle Busch and Michael Waltrip.
While higher temperatures expected for the qualifying races Thursday and the Daytona 500 next Sunday could limit those speeds and the effectiveness of the two-car draft because of overheating issues, NASCAR officials said they couldn’t rely on weather conditions to control the speeds.
The changes cut the size of the grille opening that leads to the radiator to 50 square inches – a difference of 50-100 square inches depending on the manufacturer – and will require a NASCAR-supplied valve on the radiator that will open at a predetermined temperature to release pressure. In that instance, water will also be pushed out of the engine.
The comfort zone of the engine will be 230-240 degrees – from 20-60 degrees lower than what teams were running in the Shootout.
“[It] is more than adequate for a normal drafting race,” NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Director John Darby said. “It will still allow the guys to push each other but probably not all day long.”
The issue of speed and safety is the prime concern, although NASCAR is likely sensitive to fans buying tickets for a race they expect to have big packs and could end up with several two-car packs.
“They’re all related,” Darby said about the high speeds and the two-car packs. “You don’t have the chicken without the egg and vice versa. … We can have good races at 100 miles an hour and 200 miles an hour and everywhere in-between.
“We can all agree from the competitors and NASCAR that 206 is probably a little bit to the extreme side.”
The changes will allow teams to make parts and install the radiator valve before they return for Daytona 500 practice Wednesday. Teams were calling back to their shops Sunday night to begin making parts.
“You’re not going to be able to push as long, you’re not going to cool as well,” Joe Gibbs Racing Senior Vice President of Racing Operations Jimmy Makar said. “You’re not going to be able to run it as hot before you pull out [of a two-car draft]. … Can you get those big pushes and get the big speed up there?
“The situations will occur less often. Last night, you could do it at any given time.”
NASCAR opted not to change the size of the holes in the restrictor plate, which limits the amount of air that runs through the engine.
“These were two changes [to the cooling] that we felt were pretty good ideas from everything that we’ve seen,” Darby said. “They require some work to make these changes, so we wanted to give them to them now so as they get back home for a couple of days, they can do it at their shops.
“It doesn’t mean it’s the last change. It’s where we’re at now.”
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. – NASCAR has made two changes to the cooling systems for Sprint Cup Series cars in an effort to keep the cars from running in two-car drafts for extended periods of time on the newly repaved Daytona International Speedway oval.
The new rules, provided to crew chiefs following Sunday’s Daytona 500 qualifying session, will make the engines run hotter when hooked up in the draft, and will force the driver pushing another car to drop off or run the risk of overheating his engine.
The change was the result of what took place in Saturday night’s Budweiser Shootout, which featured sets of two-car packs instead of one big pack, with drivers running consistent laps of more than 200 mph, topping out at 206 mph by Kyle Busch and Michael Waltrip.
While higher temperatures expected for the qualifying races Thursday and the Daytona 500 next Sunday could limit those speeds and the effectiveness of the two-car draft because of overheating issues, NASCAR officials said they couldn’t rely on weather conditions to control the speeds.
The changes cut the size of the grille opening that leads to the radiator to 50 square inches – a difference of 50-100 square inches depending on the manufacturer – and will require a NASCAR-supplied valve on the radiator that will open at a predetermined temperature to release pressure. In that instance, water will also be pushed out of the engine.
The comfort zone of the engine will be 230-240 degrees – from 20-60 degrees lower than what teams were running in the Shootout.
“[It] is more than adequate for a normal drafting race,” NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Director John Darby said. “It will still allow the guys to push each other but probably not all day long.”
The issue of speed and safety is the prime concern, although NASCAR is likely sensitive to fans buying tickets for a race they expect to have big packs and could end up with several two-car packs.
“They’re all related,” Darby said about the high speeds and the two-car packs. “You don’t have the chicken without the egg and vice versa. … We can have good races at 100 miles an hour and 200 miles an hour and everywhere in-between.
“We can all agree from the competitors and NASCAR that 206 is probably a little bit to the extreme side.”
The changes will allow teams to make parts and install the radiator valve before they return for Daytona 500 practice Wednesday. Teams were calling back to their shops Sunday night to begin making parts.
“You’re not going to be able to push as long, you’re not going to cool as well,” Joe Gibbs Racing Senior Vice President of Racing Operations Jimmy Makar said. “You’re not going to be able to run it as hot before you pull out [of a two-car draft]. … Can you get those big pushes and get the big speed up there?
“The situations will occur less often. Last night, you could do it at any given time.”
NASCAR opted not to change the size of the holes in the restrictor plate, which limits the amount of air that runs through the engine.
“These were two changes [to the cooling] that we felt were pretty good ideas from everything that we’ve seen,” Darby said. “They require some work to make these changes, so we wanted to give them to them now so as they get back home for a couple of days, they can do it at their shops.
“It doesn’t mean it’s the last change. It’s where we’re at now.”
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Davy Crockett
Guest
Oh good, a rule change that makes it much more likely that fluids and engine parts will be spilled on the track surface, how uniquely NASCAR.
The next thing we’ll hear is because they don’t want anybody going out of the racing lanes they’ll put spike strips below the double yellow line and landmines in the grass.
The next thing we’ll hear is because they don’t want anybody going out of the racing lanes they’ll put spike strips below the double yellow line and landmines in the grass.