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So the Kansas casino is a go and they plan on adding a second date. Why do we need another 1.5? What track is getting ready to give up a race?

Kansas Speedway casino plan passes state muster
Developers also pledged to bring a second NASCAR Sprint Cup race and a Grand-Am race to the track.

TOPEKA, Kan. -- It wasn’t the glitziest proposal for a casino in Wyandotte County. Or the biggest or the most expensive.

But the planned Hollywood Casino had the virtue of being the only proposal left standing Tuesday after the recession forced developers with grander visions to drop out earlier this year.

That proved to be enough — along with deep-pocketed, experienced developers and a prime spot overlooking the Kansas Speedway — for a state board to unanimously approve the $386 million project.

“Is it ideal? No. But we understand the constraints of the economic times,” said board member Jackie Vietti. “It’s in the better interests of the state to move forward now.”

Construction is expected to begin late next year, with an opening set for early 2012.

The casino will be built near Turn 2 of the speedway. It will include 2,300 slot machines, 86 table games and 28,000 square feet of dining and entertainment options. A second phase calls for a 250-room hotel.

All told, the project represents an investment of more than half a billion dollars. The project is expected to create 2,000 construction jobs and 1,000 permanent jobs in Wyandotte County.

As part of its sales pitch, the developers also pledged to bring a second NASCAR Sprint Cup race and a Grand-Am race to the track.

A group of delighted residents and a bottle of champagne greeted Unified Government Mayor Joe Reardon when he returned home Tuesday. Supporters said they were tired of seeing so many Kansas license plates in the parking lots of Missouri casinos.

“We have been donating quite a bit of money to Missouri over the years, and it’s time to bring some of it back,” said Beverly J. Darby of Kansas City, Kan.

The project is a joint venture of the speedway’s owners, International Speedway Corp., and Penn National Gaming, a Pennsylvania-based company that operates casinos around the United States, including the Argosy Casino in Riverside.

The developers said they’ll seek private financing for the project, but can pay for it themselves if necessary.

A consultant hired by the state estimated that the casino would generate $203 million of gambling revenues in its first year. The state will get a minimum 22 percent cut of the gross revenue. Another 5 percent will go to Wyandotte County government and a fund set up to combat compulsive gambling.

Tuesday’s vote is nearly the final step in a long effort to bring a casino to Wyandotte County. The developers still must undergo state background checks in order to get licensed, and must have final design details approved by local officials.

But the developers said those are minor obstacles.

“This was really the final hoop to jump through,” said Tim Wilmott, president of Penn National Gaming. “Now it’s full speed ahead.”

Board members said they scrutinized the speedway proposal as if it were up against competition.

Still, several board members questioned the developers’ decision to delay building a hotel. State lawmakers said an adjacent hotel was needed to attract out-of-state tourists when they authorized a casino for Wyandotte County in 2007.

Steven Snyder, Penn National senior vice president, assured that the hotel will be built when the economy recovers. In the meantime, Snyder said the casino will work out partnerships with nearby hotels and arrange a shuttle service to and from the casino.

It amounts to a “virtual hotel,” he told the board.

But that term puzzled some board members, who worried the developers might be hedging their bet.

“I’ve never heard of such a thing in my entire life,” said board member Jack Brier. “Do a lot of people stay in virtual hotels?”

To assuage those concerns, developers already had agreed to pay an annual penalty of roughly $2 million to Wyandotte County if hotel construction hasn’t started within two years of the casino’s opening.

“The market will dictate a hotel,” predicted board member James Bergfalk. “I have faith that at the right time we’ll have that hotel.”

The project already has approval from the Wyandotte County Board of Commissioners.

After years of failed efforts, Kansas lawmakers authorized a single casino for each of four regions of the state. Under state law, private companies build and operate the facilities, but the state controls the operations. The review board selects the developers.

Several quickly stepped forward to pitch their own visions for a casino in Wyandotte County. But almost all walked away in the midst of the recession. International Speedway and Penn later joined forces behind a single plan.

“We had bigger proposals, more glitz and more flash,” said board chairman Matt All. “And then everything changed.”

Also Tuesday, the review board delayed a final vote on a casino proposal for an area south of Wichita to give developers time to revise their plans.

The first casino built since the law passed is set to open this month in Dodge City.

http://www.thatsracin.com/140/story/23178.html
 
I agree. We don't need more 1.5 mile ovals. There's too many of those on the schedule already. What we really need are more short tracks and road courses.

With Kansas now getting a second date, that makes Homestead the only Chase event that doesn't have a race in the regular season. This will play right into the hands of a crew chief like Knaus who uses the regular season races as a test session for the Chase events.

I've been a strong supporter of each track only having one race a year. This will allow NASCAR to have a much greater variety of tracks, prevent tracks with two races having one be a "throw away", and still support areas that strongly support NASCAR. Not every venue needs to seat 80,000 plus. How about racing at smaller local tracks (that can support 43 teams) and only seat 30,000? Having a few of those on the schedule would be a nice break.

Floating races would be a great idea too. If you make 5 events every year with maybe 1 or 2 of those in the Chase, at different tracks every season it will make it the schedule much more exciting, and allow even more track to host events.

I find it hard to believe that no one in NASCAR has though of these simple ideas before.
 
How about racing at smaller local tracks (that can support 43 teams) and only seat 30,000? Having a few of those on the schedule would be a nice break.

That would be a nice break. But a 30,000 seat track couldn't afford to pay the purse without charging $150+ a ticket.

I agree that Kansas doesn't need a second date. But if they do get one, the candidates to lose a race are Dover, Pocono, and Martinsville.
 
That would be a nice break. But a 30,000 seat track couldn't afford to pay the purse without charging $150+ a ticket.

I agree that Kansas doesn't need a second date. But if they do get one, the candidates to lose a race are Dover, Pocono, and Martinsville.

I'd be willing to pay $150/ticket to see a Sprint Cup race at a local track. Hell, I pay nearly $100/ticket to see a race at Chicagoland. And that's for the cheap seats.

I doubt Dover or Martinsville would lose an event. Those tracks consistantly put on a good show. Pocono or Michigan would be more likely to lose a date.
 
I'd be willing to pay $150/ticket to see a Sprint Cup race at a local track. Hell, I pay nearly $100/ticket to see a race at Chicagoland. And that's for the cheap seats.

I doubt Dover or Martinsville would lose an event. Those tracks consistantly put on a good show. Pocono or Michigan would be more likely to lose a date.
Atlanta or Michigan maybe. Don't think NASCAR's gonna take a race from the NYC market.
 
Personally I wish they'd put Rockingham back on the schedule.
 
Personally I wish they'd put Rockingham back on the schedule.

I love The Rock but the locals don't support that track. The crowds at the ARCA races have been ****. There were, maybe, 4,000 people at the American 200 back in October.

A Truck race at Rockingham might work, but IDK if the locals would go.
 
I love The Rock but the locals don't support that track. The crowds at the ARCA races have been ****. There were, maybe, 4,000 people at the American 200 back in October.

A Truck race at Rockingham might work, but IDK if the locals would go.


I don't know what the deal is with the fans there. I saw a UARA race on TV and it didn't look like they had 75 people.
 
I don't know what the deal is with the fans there. I saw a UARA race on TV and it didn't look like they had 75 people.

The UARA race was televised? It'd be nice if someone recorded it, never seen UARA on TV.

The ARCA race the next day was a total crap audience. There may have been 7,000 fans at best. Langley Speedway draws better crowds for it's regular shows.

That said, I heard Andy has some big plans for The Rock. Heard some stuff about a "Dirty Rock" and he already built a short track there.
 
Atlanta or Michigan maybe. Don't think NASCAR's gonna take a race from the NYC market.

Atlanta maybe. I doubt NASCAR would remove a date from an ISC owned track like Michigan and move that date to another ISC owned track. A Pocono, Dover or Martinsville date would probably be more likely IMO.
 
All I am saying is leave Martinsville and Darlington alone you greedy bastards. They are part of the few reasons I hang on to watching NA_CAR anymore.
 
I believe all the 1.5 mile tracks have road courses or at least a majority of them.

Actually, less than half of the ovals in NASCAR have a road course built in the infield. Of the 20 ovals on the schedule, only 7 have the ability to run road races: Daytona, Indy, Lowes, Homestead, Auto Club, Loudon, and Phoenix.

Talladega used to have a road course until 1983. Kansas Speedway had plans to build a road course, but the project was cancelled because of the economy.

Personally, I think "rovals" are inferior to dedicated road courses like Watkin's Glen that have elevation changes, and are generally more complex. The one exception would be Daytona which uses the high banking as part of the track, and thus allows most cars to hit their top speed.
 
all I know is it better not be in july or august cause that place is like an oven in the summer.
 
I paid 160$ and got to see the Truck and Cup race from a tower seat. I dont think you will see me paying $150 to see one race.
 
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