Pocono 500

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the race definately should have been stopped due to rain but it amazing the second gordon possibly could lose the lead BAM ou comes the yellow. it looks more fixed than if they threw it as soon as he got the lead. but rules are rules. i cant wait to see how they rig the next one
 
I agree with the 20% that said hamlin.

And I hope jeff's crew figures out why his brakes are failing and jimmie's aren't.
 
barelypure said:
And it hasn't been that long since a lot of you were crying about Nascar throwing debris cautions. It sure looks like when an HMS car wins some really get their panties in a wad and look for some reason why that driver shouldn't have won.
Then again it's hard to find a race that an HMS car hasn't won. Maybe some just don't like the success they're having this year. Jeff - 4, Jimmie - 4, Kyle - 1 and Mears - 1.
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There's a difference between a caution for a piece of hot dog wrapper (look at the cautions at pocono) and for parts of brakes and big chunks of debris (watch Johnson).
 
kelloggs5TLfan said:
If it had not rained at Pocono, who had the best chance of winning?
Ryan Newman 2287 27%
Martin Truex Jr. 1783 21%
Denny Hamlin 1724 20%
Tony Stewart 850 10%
Jeff Gordon 1774 21%

http://www.nascar.com/
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I agree with the 10% that said Tony. He was flying that last segment and was coming to the front in a hurry. He went from about 13th to 5th in no time flat and was still moving forward and gaining on Newman.

I guess we will never know and it's too bad it didn't get to go to the end. That was shaping up to be one of the better Pocono races I remember.

LOL and it's laughable to think the fix was in.
 
In football, basketball, or baseball, a good game is when the officiating is not the main topic.

In Nascar...the Officiating always seems to be the main topic...IMO...that means Nascar isnt running the sport right.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that felt that Gordon and team HMS were handed yet another win.
 
I'm just curious, what should nascar have done?

The track was completely soaked in the one corner and there was no way to get it dry in time for dark. The race was more than 1/2 over, so the same as every racing series I follow have been doing for as long as I've been around it, they called the race and it's official.
For the record, I am about as far away from a Gordon fan as there is, although I don't throw **** at them. ;)
 
T-Mac39 said:
I'm just curious, what should nascar have done?

The track was completely soaked in the one corner and there was no way to get it dry in time for dark. The race was more than 1/2 over, so the same as every racing series I follow have been doing for as long as I've been around it, they called the race and it's official.
For the record, I am about as far away from a Gordon fan as there is, although I don't throw **** at them. ;)
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T-Mac I have been a Gordon fan since he was in the Busch Series. It has always been this way and always will be as long as Jeff is winning races. He is just a driver who most love to hate. I was that way with Dale Earnhardt. I didn't want to see him hurt though and I sure didn't want to see him killed.
 
T-Mac39 said:
I'm just curious, what should nascar have done?

The track was completely soaked in the one corner and there was no way to get it dry in time for dark. The race was more than 1/2 over, so the same as every racing series I follow have been doing for as long as I've been around it, they called the race and it's official.
For the record, I am about as far away from a Gordon fan as there is, although I don't throw **** at them. ;)
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well first of all...The race should not have been ran yesterday...It started after 4:00 est time yesterday and rain was still in the area? No way that race should have been ran yesterday.

2nd of all, they have got to come up with a better way of throwing cautions...be consistent about it...they are getting worse and worse about it.
 
So you're saying they should have thrown the caution for Jimmie's debris? Ok, let's say I buy in. Then what is the scenario. They ride around under caution with Jeff leading and Mears in 2nd.
Will you grant me that it takes longer to run a caution lap than a race lap? Good.
Will you grant me that the rain was going to happen when it happened regardless of the race? Good.
So under those conditions they would have ridden around under caution, and because I don't think Jeff was going to pit and Mears was going to do what Jeff did, so Jeff wins and Mears finishes 2nd.

As to the caution, Jimmie was running low and while he may have been throwing off debris that may or may not have been in the racing groove Nascar erred on the side of letting the guys race. And, to top it off they are proved to be right as there were no debris issues.

Nascar didn't throw a caution when Edwards was crying for 3 laps about it raining, mainly because it wasn't.

Nascar didn't throw a caution when Jeff and Ryan did the 1st lap thru the rain because it had just started and they were waiting to see how much rain and for confirmation from officials in that corner. But let's say they throw the caution at that very point, Jeff wins, Ryan's 2nd, is Mears 3rd or 4th?
What Nascar did do was throw the caution just before Jeff and Ryan again reached the rain soaked corner. They allowed the drivers to race just as far as they could, safely. They wanted to give the fans their money's worth by giving Ryan or Truex every possible chance to beat Jeff.
They even tried to get the track dry so the race could restart. Even then you knew they wouldn't be running the full race due to darkness.
My conclusion that if any fan base has a right to be upset with Nascar and their rulings it's Jeff's fans. Nascar tried to screw him at every turn, no Jimmie caution and a late rain caution.
Them's the facts.

As to not running the race, I hope you have been a race fan long enough to realize that Nascar will try everything they can to run the race as scheduled. They don't like to carry over to the next day. It upsets too many schedules, theirs, the teams and the fans.

Now for your future trivia question, this is the 5th rain shortened race that Jeff has won out of his 79 wins.
 
barelypure said:
So you're saying they should have thrown the caution for Jimmie's debris? Ok, let's say I buy in. Then what is the scenario. They ride around under caution with Jeff leading and Mears in 2nd.
Will you grant me that it takes longer to run a caution lap than a race lap? Good.
Will you grant me that the rain was going to happen when it happened regardless of the race? Good.
So under those conditions they would have ridden around under caution, and because I don't think Jeff was going to pit and Mears was going to do what Jeff did, so Jeff wins and Mears finishes 2nd.

As to the caution, Jimmie was running low and while he may have been throwing off debris that may or may not have been in the racing groove Nascar erred on the side of letting the guys race. And, to top it off they are proved to be right as there were no debris issues.

Nascar didn't throw a caution when Edwards was crying for 3 laps about it raining, mainly because it wasn't.

Nascar didn't throw a caution when Jeff and Ryan did the 1st lap thru the rain because it had just started and they were waiting to see how much rain and for confirmation from officials in that corner. But let's say they throw the caution at that very point, Jeff wins, Ryan's 2nd, is Mears 3rd or 4th?
What Nascar did do was throw the caution just before Jeff and Ryan again reached the rain soaked corner. They allowed the drivers to race just as far as they could, safely. They wanted to give the fans their money's worth by giving Ryan or Truex every possible chance to beat Jeff.
They even tried to get the track dry so the race could restart. Even then you knew they wouldn't be running the full race due to darkness.
My conclusion that if any fan base has a right to be upset with Nascar and their rulings it's Jeff's fans. Nascar tried to screw him at every turn, no Jimmie caution and a late rain caution.
Them's the facts.

As to not running the race, I hope you have been a race fan long enough to realize that Nascar will try everything they can to run the race as scheduled. They don't like to carry over to the next day. It upsets too many schedules, theirs, the teams and the fans.

Now for your future trivia question, this is the 5th rain shortened race that Jeff has won out of his 79 wins.
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I agree why through the caution for debris, they would have let em drive around in the rain until half way and still give it to him.:mad:
 
Surely everyone knows that it is a conspiracy. Jeff Gordon would probably only have 3 or 4 wins in his career if not for Nascar's helping him. :)
 
muggle not said:
Surely everyone knows that it is a conspiracy. Jeff Gordon would probably only have 3 or 4 wins in his career if not for Nascar's helping him. :)
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I'm not gonna say that. But Talladega, Darlington and Pocono were bull-s races.
 
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
I'm not gonna say that. But Talladega, Darlington and Pocono were bull-s races.
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This is the first season that i can say I honestly havent watched more than half of the races....I did flip to the race yesterday to see the ending but thats it.

i think Nascar is hurting its fan base more than it ever has now.
 
muggle not said:
Surely everyone knows that it is a conspiracy. Jeff Gordon would probably only have 3 or 4 wins in his career if not for Nascar's helping him. :)
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Its funny how only the die hard hms fans are the only ones saying it was legit
 
No what's funny are the HMS haters trying to come up with some scenario where Jeff loses. They keep saying yeah but if...
Hint: there isn't one.
Jeff won.
 
nascarfan01 said:
Its funny how only the die hard hms fans are the only ones saying it was legit
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Based on Nascar's rules...it was legit....but i do think when the race ends early like it did yesterday, they should give some money back to the fans.
 
So you're saying everytime an HMS driver wins they should refund part of the money.
By that reasoning if Lil'E ever wins again should Nascar be standing at the gates to collect more money?
Now if I'm at a race where DA MAN KURT BUSCH wins I'd be willing to toss a few bucks in because I know it will be one heckofa race... ;)
 
barelypure said:
So you're saying everytime an HMS driver wins they should refund part of the money.
By that reasoning if Lil'E ever wins again should Nascar be standing at the gates to collect more money?
Now if I'm at a race where DA MAN KURT BUSCH wins I'd be willing to toss a few bucks in because I know it will be one heckofa race... ;)
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um no...did i say that when an HMS driver wins the race they should refund the money?....why dont you take a second...go back to my post and re read it...once youve done that...please point out where i said that.

i said if a race ends early..fans should get their money back....fans pay big money to see a 500 mile race and dont get to see it.
 
You don't let anybody have any fun...
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This Buds For Me said:
Based on Nascar's rules...it was legit....but i do think when the race ends early like it did yesterday, they should give some money back to the fans.
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No way should money be given back. NASCAR wasn't responsible for the rain. They are obligated to a day and a distance.

I was watching the weather radar yesterday. The rainshower that popped up literally did just that. It didn't drift in from anywhere, it just popped up over the track. The rain that came later was moving so slowly at first that I thought the race would run the correct distance.

I was not happy with the outcome or the shortened distance. But that's the way the cookie crumbles some times --- some times you get the chocolate chip, sometimes it just the crumbs.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
No way should money be given back. NASCAR wasn't responsible for the rain. They are obligated to a day and a distance.

I was watching the weather radar yesterday. The rainshower that popped up literally did just that. It didn't drift in from anywhere, it just popped up over the track. The rain that came later was moving so slowly at first that I thought the race would run the correct distance.

I was not happy with the outcome or the shortened distance. But that's the way the cookie crumbles some times --- some times you get the chocolate chip, sometimes it just the crumbs.
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I'm saying they should race back when the outcome of the race is at hand - if it's safe to do so. For Newman and Jeff, it would've been safe to do so. And, if that was Jeff passing Newman - you better believe the caution would've come out later (remember Talladega, when it took a half a lap to throw a caution for a wreck).
 
I don't think it was safe to race back. The rain was coming down hard on a very tricky turn. If they had raced back, I don't think either one would have made it through the turn.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
I don't think it was safe to race back. The rain was coming down hard on a very tricky turn. If they had raced back, I don't think either one would have made it through the turn.
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I deserve an award. I said about 15 laps before the rain delay, I told everyone at the house the caution was going to come out at the split second someone goes to make a pass at Gordon.
 
The timing of the caution was ridiculous and planned by Nascar. Its that simple.
 
RobbyG Fan said:
The timing of the caution was ridiculous and planned by Nascar. Its that simple.
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Which caution?
If you are talking about the rain caution to end the race it looks like Nascar kept it green as long as they possibly could. They threw the caution just before Jeff and Ryan got to the wet part of the track. Had they thrown it sooner Jeff wins. If they wait we may have some wrecked cars. They don't race in the rain.
So when exactly did you want them to throw the caution?
 
barelypure said:
Which caution?
If you are talking about the rain caution to end the race it looks like Nascar kept it green as long as they possibly could. They threw the caution just before Jeff and Ryan got to the wet part of the track. Had they thrown it sooner Jeff wins. If they wait we may have some wrecked cars. They don't race in the rain.
So when exactly did you want them to throw the caution?
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BP you know that when Jeff wins people get mad. They had just about quit booing him till this year when he started winning again. So everyone booing him and putting him down means he is doing good. So let 'em talk and Boo while Jeff smiles all the way to victory lane and the bank.:bounce: :D :beerbang:
 
Of course HMS fans see nothing wrong because their driver won. Had the tables been turned they would be crying like usual whenever Jeff gets screwed, which isnt that often.

I dont care who was in the lead at the time it was just plain wrong either which way.
 
RobbyG Fan said:
The timing of the caution was ridiculous and planned by Nascar. Its that simple.
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Ha that is a really rather unthought out response to an obvious weather incident. It was pouring in turn 2 or did you not notice?:P
 
tkj24 said:
BP you know that when Jeff wins people get mad. They had just about quit booing him till this year when he started winning again. So everyone booing him and putting him down means he is doing good. So let 'em talk and Boo while Jeff smiles all the way to victory lane and the bank.:bounce: :D :beerbang:
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I'll up and say it - Jeff Gordon's going to win the championship by a landslide, with Jimmie Johnson 2nd in points.

He's run fairly well, performance wise. He just keeps getting "lucky."

I see things going my way when NASCAR has to release a statement and ESPN2 straight up slaps it down (POINTING OUT THE DEBRIS NASCAR DIDN'T SEE).

And yet they throw a caution for a hot dog wrapper.

It really hurts the sanctioning body, and makes the sport look rigged.
 
Andy, you gotta let it go. It's obvious that you don't like what is going on in this sport, so why are you continually harping on this and that. Things aren't going to go your way, so you may as well admit to yourself that fact, or just stop paying attention to the series. But I might add that this sort of thing happens in all of auto racing. People are always ticked at what happens here and there. You just seem to be ticked all the time. I hate it that you can't seem to enjoy this sport because of your biases, but that's your problem. If you could just get over it all, sit back and enjoy what you are seeing instead of complaining about who what or where, maybe life would be alittle more enjoyable for you. Honestly, if I had the same opinions of this sport that you have, I'd turn off the televsion set, the radio and go fishing. :rolleyes:
 
buckaroo said:
Andy, you gotta let it go. It's obvious that you don't like what is going on in this sport, so why are you continually harping on this and that. Things aren't going to go your way, so you may as well admit to yourself that fact, or just stop paying attention to the series. But I might add that this sort of thing happens in all of auto racing. People are always ticked at what happens here and there. You just seem to be ticked all the time. I hate it that you can't seem to enjoy this sport because of your biases, but that's your problem. If you could just get over it all, sit back and enjoy what you are seeing instead of complaining about who what or where, maybe life would be alittle more enjoyable for you. Honestly, if I had the same opinions of this sport that you have, I'd turn off the televsion set, the radio and go fishing. :rolleyes:
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I'm too big a racing fan. I'd be watching the NASCAR National Series exclusively if it weren't on ESPN2, and if it wasn't Carl Edwards winning every race.
 
Yeppers blame ESPN2. I think it's great that Busch is on a sports channel and not just another cable channel. IMO they have a much better deal when compared to Cup who has to jump all over the dial. You have to constantly check the TV guide to see what channel they're on. But, Busch 1 channel all year.
Oh, and let's put some blame on Carl Edwards. He's won 4 of the 15 races. Why someone should drag that no good Missourian (Missourite, whatever) behind the barn and take that goofy smile off his face.

I'm so glad I don't live in your world.
 
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