Possible California track in the future?

kkfan91 said:
Fun fact if NASCAR goes there it would actually be a return to the schedule.

Cup ran 2 races there in the 1956 and 1957 season. It held a West race as recently as 1986.
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I liked the fact that they mentioned safety upgrades and it sounds like they have some money behind it. It could work out for Nascar and the rest out there.
 
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Naitch said:
It looks like a unique track that should produce some interesting racing. I am interested in the strategy aspect of setting up a car here. Turns 1-2 are sweeping oval turns while the rest of the course would behave like a road course.
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It's hard for me to figure the scale, but it looks like a pretty fast course. If I had to guess they would set the car up neutral like they normally do for road courses. They can't ignore the three left turns the track has.
 
StandOnIt said:
It's hard for me to figure the scale, but it looks like a pretty fast course. If I had to guess they would set the car up neutral like they normally do for road courses. They can't ignore the three left turns the track has.
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Here is an on board from a Porsche, so obviously not a Cup car.



I like the elevation changes, not as extreme as Sonoma maybe but pretty cool.
 
Seems a super inappropriate track layout for modern open wheel but possibly a perfect one for stock cars. I'd love to see it.
 
kkfan91 said:
Here is an on board from a Porsche, so obviously not a Cup car.



I like the elevation changes, not as extreme as Sonoma maybe but pretty cool.
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It's bigger than I thought it was and surprisingly full of off cambers, hills and knobs. They said they are not improving up to F-1 specs, but that still would open it up to the many different series in the U.S.. I wonder about parking and the other facilities. Looks like work needed there.
 
StandOnIt said:
It's bigger than I thought it was and surprisingly full of off cambers, hills and knobs. They said they are not improving up to F-1 specs, but that still would open it up to the many different series in the U.S.. I wonder about parking and the other facilities. Looks like work needed there.
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I guess my only question be about passing zones, but you never really know where they are going to pass until you get them out there.
 
They could set up an alternative route or shortcut to the front straight for odd-numbered laps.
Then, they would run the entire circut on the even numbered laps.

The real science would occur with each driver having to track their even and odd numbered laps. Drivers would be required to choose the route that corresponds with the matching lap (they wouldn't be scored or given credit in cases of choosing the incorrect route for a given lap).

It would add so much complexity and give Jeff Burton and the Geribals many wonderful expression opportunities. Larry MacReynolds would be doing a forever analysis on all the impacts.

The Promoters and Networks could call it an Oval Road Course Hybrid Race. Fans would finally be satisfied with the perfect balance.
 
Greg said:
The real science would occur with each driver having to track their even and odd numbered laps. Drivers would be required to choose the route that corresponds with the matching lap
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You clearly know nothing about motorsports. At this level of competition, keeping track of that is the spotter's job.
 
Doubt anything NASCAR-related happens. First, track is in middle of nowhere. Second, it's an ancient track that runs club events; substantial improvements are going to cost some serious coin. Third, Indycar is running the Thermal Club experiment and so far... what would you know... running at a club track in the middle of the California desert isn't working great on any front.
 
Speedbowl14 said:
Doubt anything NASCAR-related happens. First, track is in middle of nowhere. Second, it's an ancient track that runs club events; substantial improvements are going to cost some serious coin. Third, Indycar is running the Thermal Club experiment and so far... what would you know... running at a club track in the middle of the California desert isn't working great on any front.
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Have you heard of a GT 40 or a Lotus 91? Those cars aren't club cars. Are you saying that no Californians drive almost 300 miles to go to Vegas but wouldn't drive 100 miles to this track an easy up and back without a hotel stay?

Do you not think these people know what they are doing?

Heavy hitters are involved: Singer Vehicle Design is the project's co-owner, partner, and design leader. Alex Wurz, former Formula 1 driver and Le Mans winner, will "enhance the existing track design and safety” by acting as the track’s safety commissioner. Hart Howerton, an architecture firm with a deep portfolio of interior design and resort-style projects, will work on “off-track elements."

Speedway Motorsports, a well-known name in event and track management, will oversee track operations. It’s a true all-star team in the reinvention of a road course, especially one that has been family-run for 62 years.
 
wow, ive been for a a few events, cool tracks, yes tracks.its a great place for track days and filming.but there nothing there but black top and dirt.look at google earth, iam so glad that its not going to be houses.
 
acmerocket said:
wow, ive been for a a few events, cool tracks, yes tracks.its a great place for track days and filming.but there nothing there but black top and dirt.look at google earth, iam so glad that its not going to be houses.
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Yeah, it's a long way from hosting a big race, but the bones are there if the money is right.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Southern Californians have already shown they won't drive to Fontana for a race. I recall that's less than 100 miles from LA.
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I can't understand why they keep chasing that market. They won't drive 100 miles to watch a race, but every weekend the hwy is jammed with people from the valley driving back and forth the Vegas. When will they realize this is the same group of people that are doing their best to ban the internal combustion engine.
 
wi_racefan said:
I can't understand why they keep chasing that market.
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Because it's the second largest in the country.

wi_racefan said:
When will they realize this is the same group of people that are doing their best to ban the internal combustion engine.
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I'm not clear what that has to do with racing. Plenty of things are permitted in a controlled environment for entertainment that aren't allowed to the general public. I can't put massive speakers in my back yard and host an Aerosmith concert. Zoos are permitted exotic animals you and are aren't. Taking ICEs off the street doesn't mean they'll disappear from the track.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Southern Californians have already shown they won't drive to Fontana for a race. I recall that's less than 100 miles from LA.
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They didn't? ....and if that is the case, fans don't drive to Martinsville either based on the aerials. This isn't about anything other than the money NASCAR could get for their land, and the cost it would take to do it all again. They get enough value out of the market by saying they care about it, but they don't. There might be an element of the Southerners not loving SoCal. Fine. Screw them. Watch the Long Beach GP this weekend. SoCal isn't hurting without NASCAR.
 
wi_racefan said:
When will they realize this is the same group of people that are doing their best to ban the internal combustion engine.
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SoCal characterized as a "group of people." Got it. Greatest car culture ever. It's still there. Ya just have to talk to the right "group of people."
 
O'Donnell lying on NASCAR Radio this morning about his commitment to the SoCal market. Golden. Sick of this bullsht.
 
Revman said:
SoCal characterized as a "group of people." Got it. Greatest car culture ever. It's still there. Ya just have to talk to the right "group of people."
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Southern California is a hub of car culture and there are multiple racing events that do well there, the Long Beach Grand Prix and the Pomona drag racing are good examples.

Maybe NASCAR needs to look at its marketing. There’s very clearly a market there.
 
Naitch said:
Southern California is a hub of car culture and there are multiple racing events that do well there, the Long Beach Grand Prix and the Pomona drag racing are good examples.

Maybe NASCAR needs to look at its marketing. There’s very clearly a market there.
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They don't want to be there. I remember several years ago when Fontana was the last leg in the West Coast Swing....and there was rain. Quick call to shorten the race....pretty convinced that the "industry" wanted to get home. So much bitching about the labors of getting out west.....and let's go to Mexico! I just tired of Phelps and O'Donnell blowing smoke up our asses.....
 
Revman said:
They don't want to be there. I remember several years ago when Fontana was the last leg in the West Coast Swing....and there was rain. Quick call to shorten the race....pretty convinced that the "industry" wanted to get home. So much bitching about the labors of getting out west.....and let's go to Mexico! I just tired of Phelps and O'Donnell blowing smoke up our asses.....
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I understand you are pretty unhinged about Nascar's track that is no more, but this isn't a Nascar track.
 
Another very important fact that we race fans keep ignoring or forgetting about and Keselowski brings up are taxes. Stick n ball is able to take money from the tax base, bonds from the public to build facilities etc. racing does not.
 
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