Pretty excited about Orion Launch tommorow

Feels like the day before a race, almost. I was a shuttle hugger--loved that thing--but this capsule will allow us to visit the moon again and then to mars!
 
scrub. A stupid boat on the flight range, along with winds and a problematic valve kept it grounded. :(
 
Unbelievable every time I see a launch like that. Even more so that we were able to do this and send people to the Moon 45 years ago. Amazing.
 
Unbelievable every time I see a launch like that. Even more so that we were able to do this and send people to the Moon 45 years ago. Amazing.

As Elon Musk said, rockets are hard. a flawless launch like that takes a lot of hard work

Lets hope Orion does her work now,
 
My only live view of a launch was June 18, 1983 when Sally Ride became the first woman astronaut to take off in the space shuttle. It was also a morning liftoff. We were down in Orlando for a friends graduation from boot camp in the Navy. Decided the night before to head over to watch the launch. Breathtaking.
 
My only live view of a launch was June 18, 1983 when Sally Ride became the first woman astronaut to take off in the space shuttle. It was also a morning liftoff. We were down in Orlando for a friends graduation from boot camp in the Navy. Decided the night before to head over to watch the launch. Breathtaking.

so jealous
 
My only live view of a launch was June 18, 1983 when Sally Ride became the first woman astronaut to take off in the space shuttle. It was also a morning liftoff. We were down in Orlando for a friends graduation from boot camp in the Navy. Decided the night before to head over to watch the launch. Breathtaking.
We went down a few times and went to an out of the way spot on a point just north of the launch area in the saw grass that's not accessible any more due to environmental concerns. We tailgated and had a ball. Night or day it didn't matter to us because of the awesome power and spectacle of it.
 
I haven't been able to listen to everything as I've been on/off the phone but are we going to be able to watch the splashdown? I did hear earlier that they will be using drones to record it.
 
I haven't been able to listen to everything as I've been on/off the phone but are we going to be able to watch the splashdown? I did hear earlier that they will be using drones to record it.

we should be able to yes.
 
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It looked like it sputtered a couple of times on lift off ............... I almost thought it was gonna blow up
 
Makes no sense to me :dunce:

this is about the shuttle, but its same for pretty much all rockets:



megan McKenna from Beecher, IL: After the shuttle launches, how fast is the vehicle going when the command is given to "throttle up," and how long (in seconds) does it take to reach 17,000 mph?

Leinbach: Another good question. The "go" at throttle up command is interesting because as we ascend through the atmosphere in the early stages of ascent, we go through a regime that's called the maximum dynamic pressure. The maximum dynamic pressure is a combination of the speed of the vehicle and the density of the atmosphere we are flying through. So, shortly after T zero, shortly after lift off, we throttle the main engines back down to around 64% rated power to keep that dynamic pressure on the vehicle to a minimum. If we didn't throttle down, the loads on the external tank and the solid rocket boosters and the orbiter would be too high because we'd be flying faster through this regime in the atmosphere called the maximum dynamic pressure. Once we get through that area, then it's safe to throttle back up and go for the maximum acceleration of the vehicle. That occurs when the vehicle is about 35,000 feet high. At that point in time, the vehicle is going 1,636 miles per hour when we are "go" for throttle up. Then the engines stay at the maximum power rated level all the way through ascent. We do throttle them back down slightly as we get really close to orbit to maintain no more than three G's on the astronauts and on the orbiter itself, but that is late in the ascent - maybe around eight minutes or so during the eight and half minute flight. So, the throttle up is to bring the main engines back up to speed, the full rated speed, once we get though that maximum dynamic pressure.




http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/sts115/launch/qa-leinbach.html
 
this is about the shuttle, but its same for pretty much all rockets:



megan McKenna from Beecher, IL: After the shuttle launches, how fast is the vehicle going when the command is given to "throttle up," and how long (in seconds) does it take to reach 17,000 mph?

Leinbach: Another good question. The "go" at throttle up command is interesting because as we ascend through the atmosphere in the early stages of ascent, we go through a regime that's called the maximum dynamic pressure. The maximum dynamic pressure is a combination of the speed of the vehicle and the density of the atmosphere we are flying through. So, shortly after T zero, shortly after lift off, we throttle the main engines back down to around 64% rated power to keep that dynamic pressure on the vehicle to a minimum. If we didn't throttle down, the loads on the external tank and the solid rocket boosters and the orbiter would be too high because we'd be flying faster through this regime in the atmosphere called the maximum dynamic pressure. Once we get through that area, then it's safe to throttle back up and go for the maximum acceleration of the vehicle. That occurs when the vehicle is about 35,000 feet high. At that point in time, the vehicle is going 1,636 miles per hour when we are "go" for throttle up. Then the engines stay at the maximum power rated level all the way through ascent. We do throttle them back down slightly as we get really close to orbit to maintain no more than three G's on the astronauts and on the orbiter itself, but that is late in the ascent - maybe around eight minutes or so during the eight and half minute flight. So, the throttle up is to bring the main engines back up to speed, the full rated speed, once we get though that maximum dynamic pressure.




http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/sts115/launch/qa-leinbach.html




That makes some sense to me ............. thanks DF :D
 
I watched the lift off on the news and the touch down into water. I don't understand the excitement, I thought I was watching a replay from about 20 years ago.
So what was so great about this??
 
I watched the lift off on the news and the touch down into water. I don't understand the excitement, I thought I was watching a replay from about 20 years ago.
So what was so great about this??

Yeah, a little throwback for sure. The excitement is humans are going to be in the business of leaving low earth orbit again. As great as the shuttle was, it could not leave LEO. Orion can. This is the first step to visiting the moon again and mars, or an asteroid. They are leaving private corps to do the LEO stuff, like milk runs to the station, etc.
 
While I get the excitement about returning to where we left off 40 years ago ... it's tough to really feel it when you realize that the last time we passed this point, we did it with brains and slide rules. Not billions and billions of gigaflops of computing power. Hell, my watch has more computing power than they used to land on the farking moon. Billions of dollars to develop new rocket motors ... they've got 5 perfectly good F-1 examples sitting on the lawn rusting. And you can't say they can't rebuild them ... The last Orbital rocket (that blew up on the pad) was sporting russian lunar motors strapped to it's ass. They didn't work for the russians 40 years ago ... they still don't farking work. Didn't stop them trying. The F-1s did work perfectly ... tuned without a computer in sight. Nobody's even thinking about their blueprints.

Very tough to get truly exited.
 
While I get the excitement about returning to where we left off 40 years ago ... it's tough to really feel it when you realize that the last time we passed this point, we did it with brains and slide rules. Not billions and billions of gigaflops of computing power. Hell, my watch has more computing power than they used to land on the farking moon. Billions of dollars to develop new rocket motors ... they've got 5 perfectly good F-1 examples sitting on the lawn rusting. And you can't say they can't rebuild them ... The last Orbital rocket (that blew up on the pad) was sporting russian lunar motors strapped to it's ass. They didn't work for the russians 40 years ago ... they still don't farking work. Didn't stop them trying. The F-1s did work perfectly ... tuned without a computer in sight. Nobody's even thinking about their blueprints.

Very tough to get truly exited.

I get where you are coming from...but to remake the tooling for the f1s is WAY expensive. I wish when a rocket was retired they did not have destroy the tooling that made it work, but they need space, etc. Happened with the F1s, happened to the space shuttle too.

I like Orion because it means we are going out beyond LEO. Thats where the fun starts. Its no fun doing milk runs to a station. Even if the bus doing the run is pretty darn cool looking.
 
Now you see .. that's where my belief fails. How can it cost more to recreate F-1 tooling than to reinvent all brand new tooling? At least with the F-1, you know all the things not to do again. I know a local guy with a CNC mill and a 5-d waldo. Basically a robot arm with a ruby stuck to the end of it. Bring him any classic car part and he rubs that ruby all over it. That generates a computer digital map of the part. Dump that digital map to his CNC, feed it some stock blanks and walk away. Come back tomorrow and he hands you not only a brand new part that's a perfect match for your old one, but the files to recreate it again and again as often as you can afford. The first one is the expensive one. After that, they're much cheaper. To make a new part from scratch, you need designers and engineers, planners and metallurgists all working for months. You need thousands of hours of computer sims. And then .... you dump your drawing into the exact same CNC machine.
 
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