Problems with #99 rear housing?

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#24-Jeff Gordon would like NASCAR to look into the way Roush Fenway Racing is adjusting the rear housing on Carl Edwards' #99 Ford to create a competitive advantage. Edwards has won three times on 1.5-mile tracks this season and was in position to win a fourth before having late engine problems. Many in the garage said during testing at Lowe's Motor Speedway earlier this week that the yaw created -- Edwards' car appears to be going sideways on the straightaway, creating more side force heading into the turns -- by turning the rear housing to the right gives Edwards a competitive advantage. " ... NASCAR knows it's happening," Gordon said on Friday at Darlington Raceway. "They are the ones that see the cars come through inspection. They see it. When cars can't even get on the scales because they're running sideways, it's something they need to address." Series director John Darby said there are no plans to further police the rear housing adjustment, noting NASCAR already has a rule restricting more than a quarter-inch change plus or minus. He added that Hendrick Motorsports, for which Gordon drives, was the first to experiment with the rear-housing adjustment on the new car and that Edwards' #99 team was one of the last. "They [complain] when we've got too many rules and then they want us to create more," Darby said of teams in general. "The process is so simple. There are limits on how far they can go."(full story at ESPN.com)(5-10-2008)

Take a rest, Jeffy...
 
I watched qualifying yesterday and seeing all the cars coming into the corner they all looked kinda crooked. I thought maybe it was the camera angle. If It wasn't the camera angle then they are all doing it.
 
I knew the "old" cars looked all twisted, but I hadn't noticed it on the new cars.
 
I think gordo needs to go back and watch the tape of everybody qualifying. It looked like everybody had alot of rear steer in their cars. Rear steer is a basic thing on a stock car.
 
VAJen said:
I knew the "old" cars looked all twisted, but I hadn't noticed it on the new cars.
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It used to be in the body. Since NASCAR introduced the COT with its very strict templates, crew chiefs have been tweaking the chassis to get the same effect. It's a never ending game of cat & mouse.
 
There's been talk about Carl's car for weeks now. And yes, a lot of other teams have figured out what they were doing and are copying it. If that's the same article I read before, you really should have put the title in that said something like "Nascar to look at rears." LOL

It is strange that they're so strict about that car, but they're letting that slide. NASCAR has been so anal about any tiny difference.

I'm with tk! You tell 'em Jeff! ;)
 
WNY24Fan said:
There's been talk about Carl's car for weeks now. And yes, a lot of other teams have figured out what they were doing and are copying it. If that's the same article I read before, you really should have put the title in that said something like "Nascar to look at rears." LOL

It is strange that they're so strict about that car, but they're letting that slide. NASCAR has been so anal about any tiny difference.

I'm with tk! You tell 'em Jeff! ;)
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I'm STILL trying to figure out ow a quarter inch of rear steer can create that much side force. That's onlly what, 2 or 3 degrees, if that much?
 
WNY24Fan said:
There's been talk about Carl's car for weeks now. And yes, a lot of other teams have figured out what they were doing and are copying it. If that's the same article I read before, you really should have put the title in that said something like "Nascar to look at rears." LOL

It is strange that they're so strict about that car, but they're letting that slide. NASCAR has been so anal about any tiny difference.

I'm with tk! You tell 'em Jeff! ;)
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Yeah Crybaby Jeff.
 
Whats amatter Jeffy, Did Carl finish ahead of you? So go cry about it, mabe something will change:rolleyes:
 
I liked carl on windtunnel last night said he drove by jeff after the race and told him to get a good look at it lol.

One inch of rear steer is alot on bigger tracks like that. We run 3 inches of it on a 1/4 mile dirt track with a street stock which the stock class at our track in its rules has alot of similarities with the cup rear suspension.

But like somebody said before they have been doing it forever its just a basic setup thing in a race car. The bodies were just twisted around the car so well that you couldnt see them like you did at darlington last weekend. And I am sure of how much bulkier the cot is has some kind of affect as well.
 
Gordon

Why is it when the Hendrick cars are kicking butts its just preperation and team work, but when they are getting their tails kicked its cheating or unfair? Like the qoute goes Gordon "Shut up and drive."
 
dirtguru said:
Why is it when the Hendrick cars are kicking butts its just preperation and team work, but when they are getting their tails kicked its cheating or unfair? Like the qoute goes Gordon "Shut up and drive."
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Agreed. Hendrick teams weren't complaining when Chad was getting creative. :D
 
basscatcher is right. They have been doing this for years, longer than that on the dirt tracks. It's a way to get the car to turn. With the old car, the bodies were built to hide that. Fox had the one camera lined up with the front straightaway and you could see a number of cars that tracked like that. All the Roush, Gibbs, and RCR cars did that. The Hendrick cars had a little, but the others were more noticeable.
 
basscatcher89 said:
I liked carl on windtunnel last night said he drove by jeff after the race and told him to get a good look at it lol.

One inch of rear steer is alot on bigger tracks like that. We run 3 inches of it on a 1/4 mile dirt track with a street stock which the stock class at our track in its rules has alot of similarities with the cup rear suspension.

But like somebody said before they have been doing it forever its just a basic setup thing in a race car. The bodies were just twisted around the car so well that you couldnt see them like you did at darlington last weekend. And I am sure of how much bulkier the cot is has some kind of affect as well.
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I will assume that most people understand why you jack the rear end 2' or 3 ' on a dirt car on a 1/4 mile has NOTHING to do why you jack it an inch on a 1 mile + pavement super speedway pavement car . Please stop trying to compare your dirt 1/4 street stock to a Cup car 1958 is gone and not coming back .
 
no what I am saying is it is the same concept on all race cars. You move the right rear tire backwards a little, or move the lf tire forwards. We do it by working the trailing arms, or moving the brackets on the rearend itself. I don't know how the cup guys do it exactly. I am not comparing I am saying its a basic race car concept, from street stock to DLM to ASALM to CUP


And who said anything about 1958. As far as I know cup cars still use truck arms in the rear suspension just obviously they arent stock they were designed by the teams. Could anybody describe the rear suspension in the cup car now? I know they can weld the brackets on the rear end a hundred different ways to set it all up

How about instead of calling me an idiot explain where I went wrong in what I said tell me how you use it on a asphalt track, I have only been around dirt the whole time ive worked on race cars. I always look into seeing other peoples ideas on the subject.
 
basscatcher;

basscatcher89 said:
no what I am saying is it is the same concept on all race cars. You move the right rear tire backwards a little, or move the lf tire forwards. We do it by working the trailing arms, or moving the brackets on the rearend itself. I don't know how the cup guys do it exactly. I am not comparing I am saying its a basic race car concept, from street stock to DLM to ASALM to CUP


And who said anything about 1958. As far as I know cup cars still use truck arms in the rear suspension just obviously they arent stock they were designed by the teams. Could anybody describe the rear suspension in the cup car now? I know they can weld the brackets on the rear end a hundred different ways to set it all up

How about instead of calling me an idiot explain where I went wrong in what I said tell me how you use it on a asphalt track, I have only been around dirt the whole time ive worked on race cars. I always look into seeing other peoples ideas on the subject.
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Consider the source :D LOL ~Digger.
 
Thats cool man.

Actually that is an idea that never crossed my mind about using the tall sides in that manner. It does make alot of sense. I will have to look more into that.
 
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