Proof jr a cheater

de7xwcc

de7xwcc

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Thats right Jr is a cheater and so is the #1,2,4,5,6,7,9,10,11,15,16,17,18,20,21,22,23,24,25,29,30,31,33,36,38,40,41,42,43,45,54,74,88,97,99......

All the bush drivers, the CTS drivers all the crew cheifs and team members Bill France and everyone involved in NASCAR.

Lets all boycott the 2003 season and may be they will all change their ways. NOT!!!!!

Come on people get real every driver out there has cheated, bent the rules, explored the gray area whatever at one time or another. LET IT GO and enjoy the racin or get yourself another hobby. Hell i bet half of you lose sleep at night thinking of ways to bash the drivers you don't like.
and by the way JR is not my fav. driver hell i can't pick one they all CHEAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I might have missed something, but I did not see anyone bash any driver.
 
Originally posted by smack500@Feb 19 2003, 07:08 PM
I might have missed something, but I did not see anyone bash any driver.
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You never see any driver bashing on this board ?
by the way your avatar is great !!!
 
Of course they've all cheated. And I fail to see how saying Jr cheated down there at Daytona is bashing him.
 
please post a qoute here of where you think someone bashed a driver....
 
i did not say anybody was bashing Jr. (guilty may be) i said "DRIVERS YOU DON'T LIKE"

s500, my my aren't we touchy. i don't follow the board close enough to Quote any one post but you can't say it dosen't happen. I will try to pay closer attention.
 
But I think there is a difference with Jr.

People cheat and they get caught. But NASCAR gets to choose how thoughly they do the inspection. It would seem to me that NASCAR would do a better job inspecting those DEI car because they are so dominant. But something tells me that they are "overlooking" something on purpose. Like flametamer said, I think we're looking in the wrong place blaming the restrictor plates for how good they are.

But than again, maybe this is what NASCAR wants. A DEI car up front at Daytona or Talladega to continue the winning Earnhardt RP tradition. Its what the fans want to see and therefore is more money. Plain and simple.
 
Originally posted by de7xwcc@Feb 19 2003, 01:42 PM
i don't follow the board close enough to Quote any one post but you can't say it dosen't happen. I will try to pay closer attention.
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In some very rare instances de7x, does any type of bashing happen. It isn't really tolerated on this board, so those people don't stick around very long. There are some disagreements that border on bashing, which is probably what you are referring to, but bashing gets you only one thing around here..............the door out! :)
We all try to get along, and sometimes just agree to disagree. It works! :D
 
It does get sickening to see every single thread refer to nascar let jr cheat. Restrictor plates aren't real races. blah, blah, blah. Can't poeple think of anything original.

Do you really think poeple as competitive as Roush and Ganassi and hendrick would allow nascar to pick and choose how they inspect cars.

I think not!
 
I couldn't agree more,majestyx! Occasionally I get a little-uh-opinionated....but basically this is a pretty good group on here!

Even if their is a definite shortage of '97' themed handles/avatars! :lol: :lol:
 
Originally posted by Dinoforthe3@Feb 19 2003, 01:49 PM
Do you really think poeple as competitive as Roush and Ganassi and hendrick would allow nascar to pick and choose how they inspect cars.
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What are they going to do about it?
 
No you're right Dino...I don't think that it's all fixed like written out plots. Some people do think that, but let em...who cares.

What I think...is that teams throughout the ages have always been cheatin' and bending the rules. NASCAR is the only sport I know that has a hidden sport within itself...and that sport is "Who's the best and making the best of what they got". Which teams is "innovative" enough to be getting around the rules NASCAR has in place. Since day one teams have been doing that.

And they team that has done it most recently was DEI. And the week before that it was a different team, probably Gibbs (that Tony could be so well in that obviously inferior body), maybe the #97 in his last 6 races of 2002. Wasn't he like either 2nd or first in those last races? Before that probably Jeffy, how did he fade so quickly and at the same time how did Penske suddenly perform just as well right then?

All teams cheat, and it was obvious every single time. And I found last week's Daytona races to be very obvious. None of that is meant as a bash!

:cheers:
 
Yep.Cheating is one thing.Heck they have almost all cheated at some point,I agree.

But what I dont like is Nascar-sanctioned 'cheating'.An entirely different animal from 'innovating/cheating'.

Just let the guys do what they can get by with...thats part of it.But DONT let nascar dictate or control it!
 
Right.

NASCAR has a lot to gain by turning it's head to a certain driver, meanwhile slapping Mlite right across the mouth for all to see with it's baloney carb problem with Rusty's car to it's complete insult to M-lite itself by using law enforcement officials to keep it and it's representatives off the track down there in Daytona.
 
Paul, would you agree that the situation with m-lite just shows that nascar has changed from a sanctioning body dedicated to the racing to one that is now dedicated to making as much money as possible while they can?
 
"Cheating: An Inside Look at the Bad Things Good NASCAR Winston Cup Racers Do in Pursuit of Speed"
by TomJensen is a real good book so people tell me I have not had a chance to pick it up yet but it is on my to do list
 
Ok this is the last time i am going to sound off on this subject ....this is getting old and tired. 66... you really deep down, honestly think ,that Nascar looks the other way when they inspect the DEI cars? Sorry but that is the most absurd thing i've heard in these threads relating to this subject....and i mean no disrespect :cheers: They would really have a tough time explaining that to the other teams , i keep saying this: IF THERE WAS COLLUSION GOING ON BETWEEN NASCAR AND DEI THE OTHER TEAMS WOULD PRESENT A FORMAL PROTEST OF THE RACE IN POINT! It isn't happening,DEI has found away to bend the rules by using the aero package , they have found the ingredient that gives them that extra 4 or 5 horsepower. Until Nascar or the other teams figure out what is going on they will continue to win at Daytona and Talldega.
 
Possibly...also there were no restrictor plates , aero was totally different and so were the bodies, so you have an entirely different scenario than you have now. The point of any team is to get the most out of the car, that entails being creative,or as my dad used to say "use your Yankee ingenuity". Elliot was great back then because he had Ernie building awesome engines for one thing, the other ingredient most likely was the aero. I tend to think it was mostly horsepower back then though with lack of plates in the engines.
 
Originally posted by Mopardh9@Feb 19 2003, 06:37 PM
The point of any team is to get the most out of the car, that entails being creative,or as my dad used to say "use your Yankee ingenuity".
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Yep, and I'd say no more or less than anybody else. They had that combination figured out, I believe. I think DEI cheats no more or less than anybody else and has plate racing figured out.
 
Hey Windsor why is it you and I seem to agree on all these debates here? Hmmm oh we must be in collusion huh??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
I think nearly everyone cheats or bends the rules a little in all sports to try and get an edge. Sometimes it works, but if it's too blatant they usually get caught.
 
NASCAR inspections are open for any team member or owner to observe. If anyone feels NASCAR is playing a "favorites" game or a game wherein any given team is given preferential treatment with inspections, it is the fault of all the other teams for thier failure to demand NASCAR check the areas where they suspect the inspections are not thorough or they feel the cheating exists.

In years gone past, NASCAR was deliquent in inspections and embarassingly obvious about it. But in an effort to maintain creditabilty with high dollar sponsors and team owners, NASCAR made all inspections open in an effort to remove any doubt wherein suspected collusion between individual teams and inspections is now available to any who wish to observe. No cars are torn down behind closed doors.
This started two or three years ago and Rusty was the big complainer when NASCAR opened inspections and tore down his engine while permitting everyone with a "hot pass" to watch. His entire team was outraged because they felt any secrets they had inside the engine might be compromised.

The same scenario is in place today but with greater security to benefit the teams. You think someone is cheating, go watch the inspection and figure out where or confirm the inspections are the same for everyone. There is little reason to suspect any team of cheating because they win in the same type of event the majority of the time. They win because they are the best and do thier homework. Not necessarily because they cheat, at least not with the inspections formatted the way they are today.

Because the inspection process is open and with the templates and other stricter measures taken by NASCAR to prevent tampering of the cars, they have permitted teams early entry into the garage area at Rockingham. The inspection process takes considerably longer today than it did three years ago. The chances for cheaing are encased in a very small window and under observation by anyone choosing to watch.

For those who feel it is DEI or Hendrick cheating, what do you think when your favorite driver wins regularly?? Are they cheating too, or does the pendulum swing the other way and the answer suddenly becomes skill and teamwork ??
 
Jr is either Cheating or his crew figured out something that no other crew has figured out at the restrictor plate tracks! Now we will see what happens at the shorttracks!!! ^_^
 
I never met a racer that didn't bend the rules or push the limits to get an advantage.
 
They all whine man. If they feel they are at a dissadvantage than another team or make, are they just going to sit back and go "Oh Well"?

I don't think so.
 
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