Question about driving styles...

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KingGlamis

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I've said before, and people have mocked me for it, so be it, that not all drivers give 100% every lap of every race. I'm no NASCAR novice, been a fan for 30+ years. I know even "riding around" in the field takes skill, concentration, a lot of effort, etc. But even the people that mocked me have to admit, if you have been a fan for any amount of time, that MOST drivers have admitted to "riding around" until the end of the race to make a charge to the front. How long they wait depends greatly on the track and several other factors. Heck, Jimmie Johson even admitted that he "waited too long" at the 2nd 'dega race this past season.

And then we have Tony Stewart in the 2011 Chase. THAT was driving. Especially the final race at Homestead. THAT is how NASCAR should be every week! Obviously Tony had a good car but several drivers have good cars every week. But MOST don't take the chances that Tony took. 3-4 wide when people aren't expecting it? It either results in a pass or a crash. And Tony made each time stick without crashing. THAT is the NASCAR that I love. When I see that sort of effort out of Tony I say that is 100%. And every other driver that is not taking the same chances is not giving 100%.

Now... I am grounded in reality and I know that my little dream NASCAR racing would result in numerous crashes. But so be it! Either race 100% or hit the wall or start and park. :D

You know, it really bugged me when Carl said in a few interviews that he was being "cautious" so that they didn't get into any wrecks. He was "driving around!" You could see it. I saw it.

I dunno... I just think if you get paid millions of dollars a year to WIN races you should go out and WIN races, not just ride around and "hope" you get an opportunity to win.

And that goes for every driver, including my favorites.
 
FenderBumper said:
I agree 100%, and I know that makes you warm and fuzzy. :D
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Thanks, I'm sure when I get home from work tomorrow there will be multiple posts telling me I have no clue because "their driver" always gives 100%. Add in the posts about drivers giving 110%, which is impossible, and I'm going to have a good laugh. :D
 
If Edwards would've drove full out during the chase as Stewart did, he likely would've won the cup.

Are people that disappointed with Stewarts win and now want Edwards?
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Edwards probably has trouble sleeping at night knowing that he only had to pass one more car to win the championship..... One More Car!
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Same as Elliott in 92 all he had to do was lead 1 more lap but the difference is Elliott was racin his azz off
 
Elliott actually wanted to lead one more lap but the cc said no pit now

Who was his cc
 
Just due to the nature of NASCAR Cup racing No Driver, car or crew can be expected to "Give" 100% throughout an entire 400-500 mile 3-4 hr race.

NASCAR Cup racing is like No other sport! No Driver, car or crew can be expected to "Give" 100% throughout an entire 400-500 mile 3-4 hr race.
You dont get breaks between plays or sit on the bench while the defense plays and you can't you pull a driver to "Rest him". Perhaps Soccer comes closest? ( I'm no soccer fan but I beleive they only play for 60 minutes? )

Just an Example,
David Pearson, was One of the Greatest drivers ever was known as the "Silver Fox" for racing hard when it counted being there at the end Won 105 races is a Three time Cup Champ and even After he started running a limted schedule managed to finish 3rd in season end points.
Seems like rideing around worked pretty Damn Good for him ;)

In Racing Only One Lap Counts pays money or gets you a Kiss from the Trophy Queen!
 
fastfordfan said:
Elliott actually wanted to lead one more lap but the cc said no pit now

Who was his cc
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Actually Alan his crew cheif Paul Andrews and Car cheif Tony Gibson where on top of the situation all race long! They had ran all the strategys worked out and Knew if they led the most laps and finished within one position of Elliot they had the Championship Won.
Kulwicki had the better and faster car at the end of the race but chose to play out his strategy, thats just how he was.

Tim Brewer was Elliots CC at the time.
 
FlFlash said:
Just due to the nature of NASCAR Cup racing No Driver, car or crew can be expected to "Give" 100% throughout an entire 400-500 mile 3-4 hr race.

NASCAR Cup racing is like No other sport! No Driver, car or crew can be expected to "Give" 100% throughout an entire 400-500 mile 3-4 hr race.
You dont get breaks between plays or sit on the bench while the defense plays and you can't you pull a driver to "Rest him". Perhaps Soccer comes closest? ( I'm no soccer fan but I beleive they only play for 60 minutes? )

Just an Example,
David Pearson, was One of the Greatest drivers ever was known as the "Silver Fox" for racing hard when it counted being there at the end Won 105 races is a Three time Cup Champ and even After he started running a limted schedule managed to finish 3rd in season end points.
Seems like rideing around worked pretty Damn Good for him ;)

In Racing Only One Lap Counts pays money or gets you a Kiss from the Trophy Queen!
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I have no problem with Pearson's style IMO he was the BEST
But I think that the chase has caused SOME of the laying back that we have today along with the points system
 
fastfordfan said:
Same as Elliott in 92 all he had to do was lead 1 more lap but the difference is Elliott was racin his azz off
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Not quite the same. Edwards only had to finish in front of one more car in any one of the final 10 races and he would have won the championship.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Not quite the same. Edwards only had to finish in front of one more car in any one of the final 10 races and he would have won the championship.
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That's eating at Carl right now. He has changed his tune from lay back and stay safe to "I have to race hard for every spot next time".

If I was Carl, I would be tossing and turning thinking about all the passes I could have made but decided not to because I was racing worried.
 
I think the question about giving 100% is more about the crew chief and engineer making the car capable of going to the front at said point in time.

Making adjustments to make a car go fast may in fact raise the probability of the tire blowing, or the engine exploding.

The door swings both ways. The 99 figured they would try it the safe way, and the way the points are structured, especially in the chase, there just isn't enough incentive to go for the win all the time. Not when one is trying to win championships.
 
As far as giving 100%, you would sure have to figure race strategy. Trying to stretch fuel milage has become a big part of it. Plus saving the tires. I still find it amazing that Tony ran so mediocure all season and was able to win 5 of 10 chase races and they per their crew chief just had a change in their luck. Some giant horseshoe that must have been.
 
dirtguru said:
As far as giving 100%, you would sure have to figure race strategy. Trying to stretch fuel milage has become a big part of it. Plus saving the tires. I still find it amazing that Tony ran so mediocure all season and was able to win 5 of 10 chase races and they per their crew chief just had a change in their luck. Some giant horseshoe that must have been.
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Probably got it after it fell out of Johnson. :p :D

What? I can't joke about my favorite driver from time to time?
 
dirtguru said:
As far as giving 100%, you would sure have to figure race strategy. Trying to stretch fuel milage has become a big part of it. Plus saving the tires. I still find it amazing that Tony ran so mediocure all season and was able to win 5 of 10 chase races and they per their crew chief just had a change in their luck. Some giant horseshoe that must have been.
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What they are saying is that Tony wasn't really trying hard to win until the chase started and then he only tried really hard in five of the ten races . Carl could have won the championship if he had only tried really hard . It seems that (in a race) the only driver that tries really hard is the guy who won. The others (apparantly) were just coasting or (as they say ) "points racing" .It's all another conspiracy theory .:D
 
mike honcho said:
Or have a friend like Jeff Burton.:D
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Tony said it best. He made deposits earlier this year, now was time for withdrawls. If Carl's team had talked to other teams, maybe he would have gotten some free passes.

It's all in the strategy.
 
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