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MCanyon
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Q: With the new pit rule about a car not being able to break the rear plane of the car in front of them, what is to stop a car from holding up another car, especially to give a teammate a larger lead?
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HardScrabble
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Far as I can tell...nothing.
It was one of the probs with having a no pass rule for pit road. But there is no reason to limit it to some teammate related scenario. It would prove beneficial to anyone pitting to slow the car behind them is possible.
One of the things that NBC/TNT does not report well is total time for pit stops. Fox made some effort at it. The time spent on the jack is important, but only a piece of the picture. The actual time of a pit stop, whether under green or yellow, begins the moment the driver lifts to make the turn for pit in and ends when he has reached full speed back on the track. Anything which would create an additional slow up during any phase of this will lose time.
It was one of the probs with having a no pass rule for pit road. But there is no reason to limit it to some teammate related scenario. It would prove beneficial to anyone pitting to slow the car behind them is possible.
One of the things that NBC/TNT does not report well is total time for pit stops. Fox made some effort at it. The time spent on the jack is important, but only a piece of the picture. The actual time of a pit stop, whether under green or yellow, begins the moment the driver lifts to make the turn for pit in and ends when he has reached full speed back on the track. Anything which would create an additional slow up during any phase of this will lose time.
Good question, MCanyon. I had not thought of that. It would be possible for a teammate to enter pit road at a much slower speed and hold up a competitor. As far as I know, NASCAR dictates the max speed, not the minimum.
Definitely food for thought.
Definitely food for thought.
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Oldgoat
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Both the rules are a work in progress so I would think that if Nascar sees that the rule is being abused they will address the issue. Of course if the car slows down and hold up other cars he will also be hurting himself. I think that the other teams will watch for it and if need be if one car has been bad about slowing down, then they will find themselves being slowed down even more. Either way it is a start with controlling pit road and having bodies thrown over the hoods.
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EJL
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I have given a super way to control pit problem, but no one cares for it. It's very simple "hold position on caution till green" simple isn't it. Now we have control of two problems at the same time, racin to the flag and passin in the pit. You still got your pit strategy in green flag stops, much more important that caution stops and more exciting for you all.
mmmm, in other words, come in running 12th, go out running 12th. No change in position during caution flag stops.
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HardScrabble
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If there are 18 cars on the lead lap, caution comes out.
9 cars pit and 9 cars do not.............who lines up where?
9 cars pit and 9 cars do not.............who lines up where?
Good point, HS.
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redrock
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That's simple: Dale jr. lines up first! 
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EJL
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Go right back to the spot left when the caution came out. It's simple, no passin from yellow to green. Also all car could pit at the same time if wanted to.
Go right back to the spot left when the caution came out. It's simple, no passin from yellow to green. Also all car could pit at the same time if wanted to. [/b][/quote]
That would NEVER work. This is racing and not tiddly winks!
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N2racin44
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Ready for a big fat wreck on pit road this weekend? Its bound to happen. All the first car has to do is pull over to the far right lane. Then any other car behind that car has to line up behind him. Imagine 10 or more cars trying to whoa down without trying to pass to the left during a green flag stop.
Sure they can pull up to the left of that first car but what if that first car has a pit stall before the person pulled up next to him??? Yup, he'd have to slow down and allow that inside car to pass to the LEFT. Many judgement calls will have to be made this weekend. Should be very interesting.
Sure they can pull up to the left of that first car but what if that first car has a pit stall before the person pulled up next to him??? Yup, he'd have to slow down and allow that inside car to pass to the LEFT. Many judgement calls will have to be made this weekend. Should be very interesting.
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Oldgoat
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I still want the teams to have the option of pit strategy to gain positions like last weekend. If a team doesn't need to pit or only needs 2 tires and gas they should be able to use it to their advantage. I think the teams and Nascar will figure out the pit road game given a little time.
Whizzer
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Go right back to the spot left when the caution came out. It's simple, no passin from yellow to green. Also all car could pit at the same time if wanted to. [/b][/quote]
So this is an interesting scenario. It is your contention the no passing rule will permit a car to come into the pits in fourth or fifth place, take on four tires, fill the tank, remove the tearoff, put in some wedge, take out a spring rubber and change the battery, wind up theoretically being one lap down for taking so long in the pits, but getting placed back in the position they were in when the caution flew.
But I don't think it will work.
Whizzer
Gig'em
Go right back to the spot left when the caution came out. It's simple, no passin from yellow to green. Also all car could pit at the same time if wanted to. [/b][/quote]
This is an interesting scenario. With the suggested no-passing rule suggested :
It means a car is permitted to come into the pits in fourth or fifth place, take on four tires, fill the tank, remove the tearoff, put in some wedge, take out a spring rubber and change the battery, wind up theoretically being one lap down for taking so long in the pits, but getting placed back in the position they were in when the caution flew.
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EJL
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Majes says
That would NEVER work. This is racing and not tiddly winks.
Thats excatly what I'm tryin to get back to, RACIN. When the only position change happen on account of caution, thats not racin.
That would NEVER work. This is racing and not tiddly winks.
Thats excatly what I'm tryin to get back to, RACIN. When the only position change happen on account of caution, thats not racin.
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EJL
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Me to oldgoat, and you can do every bit of this on green flag stops.
I don't see how you would call that racing. If you can elaborate on this caution thingy, then maybe I could get a better understanding as to what you are saying it will do exactly. If what you are saying is anything as to what HS, TRL and Whizzer, then NO, that's not what I would like to see happen. That isn't racing, and please tell me what other racing division uses this practice.....
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EJL
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Who care what other racin div do? All I'm after is to put racin on the track. When there is more racin in the pits than on the track something should be done. We don't have real performace race cars any more and they know they can get track position by what happens in the pit. Maybe this would help change cars for the better. You still have your pit strategy during green flag stops. There is alot of different things that could be regulated to geen stops and not every one then would want to stop on yello.
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racerx11
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I think the should do away with yellow flag stops, period. This would speed up some cautions and save teams on tire bills.
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EJL
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I have had the same idea.,but there will be caution flag stops by the car that caused the caution.
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Splunge
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I agree with EJL on some points, we have to allow for more passing on the the actual track.
I just learned that Indy car drivers have a little button/knob they can play with that changes the fuel flow something something so they can control hp and gas milage...but the cool thing is there is a setting at which the hp's are so taxing on the enging they only have a short time of usage before the engine blows. This is what the announcer said anyway...
How much fun would it be to put these 'after-burner' do-hickies on the cars and let there be some real passing!
(10 bucks says Jr would blow an engine by the 2nd lap with one of those! ah aha ha ha ha :lol: )
I just learned that Indy car drivers have a little button/knob they can play with that changes the fuel flow something something so they can control hp and gas milage...but the cool thing is there is a setting at which the hp's are so taxing on the enging they only have a short time of usage before the engine blows. This is what the announcer said anyway...
How much fun would it be to put these 'after-burner' do-hickies on the cars and let there be some real passing!
(10 bucks says Jr would blow an engine by the 2nd lap with one of those! ah aha ha ha ha :lol: )
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EJL
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boost is what your refering to. I don't like it kinda, makes a joke out of racin. I turn up my boost to pass you, then I have to turn it back down to save fuel and engine, you turn your boost up to pass me back. You see what happening?