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Jr. is in 13th place. And yet he has won more money than all other drivers except first and second place and one driver ranked lower than him. What is that all about? How has he won more money than all those other drivers? WHat did he do that I'm not taking into account?
Betsy:rolleyes:
 
Betsy,
A driver normally gets a percentage of the purse, different drivers can have a different % written into their contact. Na$car has the Winners Circle, and other programs, that pay if you meet certain requirements. The amount paid under contingency money awards, all those decals on the front fenders, can also vary driver to driver, team to team.

It's complicated, it would be easier to teach you how to read, write and speak Chinese is what a Busch North owner once told me years ago. :beerbang:
 
ok!

So a four time cahmp that has higher finishes alls eason than Jr is making less money? Now that don't seem right to me. Was I some of the top 12 that are ahead of Jr in points and finishes, I'd be doing something about it.
Betsy:rolleyes:
 
Could be the 4-time champ has less stickers on his car or participates in fewer programs that Junior.
 
Some races pay more than others.If you do well in a race like Daytona ,that pays more than a win a Martinsville.
 
Junior is the most popular driver in NASCAR. Sponsers want to be associated with him more than any other driver. This allows him to demand a higher % of the prize money that he earns.

Every year SI does a list of the highest paid athletes in the US. For 2009, Junior was #11 with $4,611,290 in winnings plus $22,000,000 in endorsements. And that's without having a single win all year and not making the chase. Gordon was next at #21 while the 4-time champ didn't even make the top 50.

Winning isn't everything.
 
Jr. didn't win more money, he earned more money, most of which was prolly done away from the racing surface.
 
SST55 said:
Sorry, but the last column says "winnings"

http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2010/data/standings_official.html

I'm sure he's made a lot more then that in endorsements etc
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I don't give a crap what that article says.



"...Hendrick Motorsports dominated the action on the track last year and captured the top three spots in the NASCAR Sprint Cup standings. Yet none of those three drivers could top the fourth driver in Hendrick’s stable when it came to earnings prowess.

Dale Earnhardt Jr. is NASCAR’s highest-paid driver for a second straight year with earnings of $30 million in 2009. Earnhardt has had little racing success the past two years, with only one win at the track. He finished a disappointing 25th in the Sprint Cup standings last year, but was voted NASCAR’s most popular driver for a seventh straight year..."


Season statistics
Year Starts Wins Top Fives Top Tens Poles Earnings ($) Rank Team
1999 5 0 0 1 0 162,095 48th Dale Earnhardt, Inc.
2000 34 2 3 5 2 2,583,475 16th Dale Earnhardt, Inc.
2001 36 3 9 15 2 5,384,630 8th Dale Earnhardt, Inc.
2002 36 2 11 16 2 4,570,980 11th Dale Earnhardt, Inc.
2003 36 2 13 21 0 4,923,500 3rd Dale Earnhardt, Inc.
2004 36 6 16 21 0 7,201,380 5th Dale Earnhardt, Inc.
2005 36 1 7 13 0 5,761,830 19th Dale Earnhardt, Inc.
2006 36 1 10 17 0 5,466,100 5th Dale Earnhardt, Inc.
2007 36 0 7 12 1 5,221,970 16th Dale Earnhardt, Inc.
2008 36 1 10 16 1 4,611,290 12th Hendrick Motorsports
2009 36 0 2 5 0 4,097,190 25th Hendrick Motorsports (looks to me like he only WON a little over 4 mil. in 2009)
2010 9 0 1 3 1 1,950,080 8th Hendrick Motorsports
Career 365 18 89 143 9 51,646,810 --
 
Yes, the question is about winnings and not earnings. The link provided by some of the above posts takes you to the point standings and winnings so far for 2010, not earnings. Although the following is from an article from a couple of years ago, it explains quite well how the payouts are distributed after each race.....

How does NASCAR determine how much to pay each position?

The "base" payout for the race is in two parts. The racing purse is put up by the track and pays out on a straight declining scale, the winner gets more than second and so on down the line. On top of that is the television money which also paid out on a declining scale.

Where it gets interesting is in NASCAR's "bonus" pay.

There are a number of different bonus payouts that drivers can be eligible for. For example the driver that leads the most laps wins the Gatorade Front Runner award and a $10,000 bonus regardless of where he finishes. Sometimes there are awards for drivers that lead specific laps, "hard charger" awards for gaining the most positions, headache awards for having bad luck, etc. These will all affect the final prize money.

Contingency Dollars

Various NASCAR sponsors can also pay out bonus money to the highest finisher using a specific product, and putting the decal on their car. If the winner is using the wrong motor oil or chooses not to participate in the program then that money may go to someone farther down the finishing order.

NASCAR Incentives

In addition, NASCAR itself has the Winners Circle Program. This is a bonus award program that goes to the previous season's top ten winners, by number of races won plus the first two winners in the current season who aren't already in the program. This bonus helps ensure that the sport's big names go to every race.

NASCAR has an additional bonus paid out to any team currently in the top 30 in points which makes the race.

So depending on how you did last year, where you are in the points this year, which sponsor decals you have on your car and any number of other factors you could earn more or less than any other driver in the race. How you finished that day is only part of the total story.
 
BobbyFord said:
I don't give a crap what that article says.
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Ignorance is bliss. BTW, how many wins did Edwards have last year?

None? Oh that's a shame.

How about this year? How many does he have so far this year?

Still none? Hmmmm....kinda sounds like someone else I know.
 
So far

Nobody has posted enough information to help me understand.. How the car in 13th place that hasn't really done much at all this year can be 3rd or 4th in winnings this year. His finishes aren't as high as others. His laps lead aren't as many as others. His top fives and top tens aren't as many as others. His past performances aren't as good as others. He hasn't won a race.
What in hell does the "winnings" column add up? Popularity? Naaa!
Betsy:rolleyes:
 
Betsy said:
Nobody has posted enough information to help me understand.. How the car in 13th place that hasn't really done much at all this year can be 3rd or 4th in winnings this year. His finishes aren't as high as others. His laps lead aren't as many as others. His top fives and top tens aren't as many as others. His past performances aren't as good as others. He hasn't won a race.
What in hell does the "winnings" column add up? Popularity? Naaa!
Betsy:rolleyes:
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Like someone else mentioned, not all races pay the same. Finish well in those high paying races and you'd up those winnings big time.

I think most your answer is within the Contingency Section. Those little stickers on the side of the car add up. Not all drivers participate with all of those sponsors. I don't know where you can find any of the $ numbers that you may actually be looking for but you can find out who won each contingency award by looking at the bottom of the results page @ NASCAR.COM after each race. Here's a link to the results page for the Richmond race..... http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2010/10/data/results_official.html At the bottom of the page the contingency awards are listed along with the driver that won that award. The top running driver that participates in that category is the driver that gets the money. The more contingency programs that you affiliate yourself with, the better your chances are at bringing home some extra money. I know your question is geared more towards Earnhardt Jr. and why he has higher winnings than many of those around him. Chances are he participates in more of those contingency programs than the average driver. Much of that probably has to do with him being a very popular driver. That's the best I can do at explaining it.
 
No, it's not. Winnings come from on track activity, plain and simple.

Earnings come from other venues such as T-shirts, hats, die casts etc which Na$car licenses and gets a cut of.

He and other drivers also earn from endorsements, for example his Nationwide commercials. It wouldn't surprise me that Na$car being the greedy money grubbing bastages they are don't get a cut of that too. But that's his earnings, not winnings. Simple.
 
You, Sir, are confused (imagine that).

DRIVER RANKINGS: FORBES' Badenhausen reported Dale Earnhardt Jr. is NASCAR's highest-paid driver for a second straight year with earnings of $30M in '09. Earnings estimates include "salaries, endorsements and the drivers' share of track winnings and licensing income," and Earnhardt's "immense popularity translates into big dollars in each of these areas outside of track winnings." Earnhardt's No. 88 Sprint Cup Chevy "attracts more than $30[M] in annual total sponsorship revenue from the likes of PepsiCo's Mountain Dew, Amp Energy and the National Guard." Earnhardt's name "sells more NASCAR-licensed merchandise than any other driver," and his personal endorsements with companies like adidas, Nationwide Insurance and Wrangler generate $10M for Earnhardt annually. Jeff Gordon ranks as the second highest-paid driver, earning $27M last year. Still, Earnhardt and Gordon, "like most other NASCAR drivers, saw their earnings take a haircut in 2009," as total pay was "down 6% for the 10 highest-paid drivers" (FORBES.com, 3/24).

"...He may have had his struggles on the track, not winning a Sprint Cup Series race in 2009, but Dale Earnhardt Junior was still able to smile all the way to bank last year.
According to Sport’s Illustrated’s Fortunate 50, a list of the 50 highest paid American sports stars, NASCAR’s most popular driver banked $26,611,290 in 2009. That’s $4,611,290 from salary and winnings and $22,000,000 from endorsements..."(Sports Illustrated).
 
If you even bothered to click on the link that was provided by SST55 several posts ago or if you even bothered to read the title of this thread then maybe you'd realize that you are the one confused by this subject. Nobody in this thread has been talking about the earnings off of the track, only the winnings by the on track performance. Pretty simple really if you stop and read for a second.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
If you even bothered to click on the link that was provided by SST55 several posts ago or if you even bothered to read the title of this thread then maybe you'd realize that you are the one confused by this subject. Nobody in this thread has been talking about the earnings off of the track, only the winnings by the on track performance. Pretty simple really if you stop and read for a second.
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You, Sir, are also confused (imagine that).
 
I believe that while the drivers have a contract to drive for an organisation at a negotiated rate......they also have a deal with Nascar that I can only guess directs teams on how to split prize money after the event (contingency money awarded)....which has race winnings divided unfairly I guess you could say....I mean Bobby labonte (cup winner 2000) would get more for a 30th place finish than say a newbie

Go ahead and call BS..Lol, I'm probly wrong but it something like that as I understand:rolleyes:.......or not
 
Who is it that's confused? Read your own post!
BobbyFord said:
You, Sir, are confused (imagine that).

DRIVER RANKINGS: FORBES' Badenhausen reported Dale Earnhardt Jr. is NASCAR's highest-paid driver for a second straight year with earnings of $30M in '09. Earnings estimates include "salaries, endorsements and the drivers' share of track winnings and licensing income," and Earnhardt's "immense popularity translates into big dollars in each of these areas outside of track winnings." Earnhardt's No. 88 Sprint Cup Chevy "attracts more than $30[M] in annual total sponsorship revenue from the likes of PepsiCo's Mountain Dew, Amp Energy and the National Guard." Earnhardt's name "sells more NASCAR-licensed merchandise than any other driver," and his personal endorsements with companies like adidas, Nationwide Insurance and Wrangler generate $10M for Earnhardt annually. Jeff Gordon ranks as the second highest-paid driver, earning $27M last year. Still, Earnhardt and Gordon, "like most other NASCAR drivers, saw their earnings take a haircut in 2009," as total pay was "down 6% for the 10 highest-paid drivers" (FORBES.com, 3/24).

"...He may have had his struggles on the track, not winning a Sprint Cup Series race in 2009, but Dale Earnhardt Junior was still able to smile all the way to bank last year.
According to Sport’s Illustrated’s Fortunate 50, a list of the 50 highest paid American sports stars, NASCAR’s most popular driver banked $26,611,290 in 2009. That’s $4,611,290 from salary and winnings and $22,000,000 from endorsements..."(Sports Illustrated).
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So,sifting through the answers ( and excluding t shirt revenue) the prize money listed by Nascar for each race would likely be to the car and not just the driver.
1. It would include the purse.That varies a lot from track to track.Winning at a small track is like finishing way back at a big track.
2. It would include extra money from those people whose decals you see just in front of the drivers door.They pay money if you show their decals.Remember how clean the 2car is.They don't display any.Or,at least,they never did before.
3.It would include money from the winner circle plan,which is a fund Nascar accumulates from sponsors,fines and stuff which it distributes to the top teams.I think that its the top twenty five.
Maybe someone else can add some things to this list.(But not t shirts and TV commercials) they don't count in this .
 
I thought the fine money is now given to NASCAR sponsored charities instead of given back to the drivers.
 
I don't think I got the jist of this thread. I thought we were talking about Jr. making more money than anyone else last year.
My bad :(
It WAS me that was confused, sorry guys.
 
Betsy said:
So a four time cahmp that has higher finishes alls eason than Jr is making less money? Now that don't seem right to me. Was I some of the top 12 that are ahead of Jr in points and finishes, I'd be doing something about it.
Betsy:rolleyes:
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Like what. Every driver signs a contract with the owner. if they aren't satisfied with their contract they can "try" to get a better deal elsewhere.
 
I doubt that salary is included in the figure that she mentions.It is car earnings on track.
 
I can understand contingencies that sponsors actually put up the money for, but who puts up the money for the TV fund? I guess it would be the networks who pay for the privilege to air the races, thus leaving it to NASCAR to dole out the money. If Coors is going to give out money for the pole award, that is easy to see why the pole sitter might get more money than the guy who finishes ahead of him. Of course they all use Goodyear tires and Sonoco fuels, so those decals will be on every car as well as the Sprint Cup logo.. How many other decals can you name on the fenders of those cars? Each and every one of them have a fund that pays in various ways. One might pay for the driver who makes the biggest progress in the race. That award would pay nothing to the pole winner if he won the race because he didn't make up on position. However, the guy who started 34th and finished 5th might get the award. And this is why you hear that when a driver has to move to the rear of the field because of an engine change or something like that, his "official" starting spot is where he qualified, not where he actually started the race. So if a driver qualifies 5th and has to move to the back because of a wreck or engine change, if he comes in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th, he's only made up 1, 2, 3, or 4 spots. There are other contingencies that are like that as well. You might have one for the fastest lap of the race. But remember, for any car to cash in on any of these contingencies, they have to carry that sponsor's decal on their car. Coke might have an award going to the top car sponsored by Coke. Jeff Gordon will never win any money for that. :)

All of the contingencies have rules that are black and white and even the TV award has that as explained in the article, but that award is planned by NASCAR and not the sponsor so they do have the ability to change it whereas the sponsors of certain contingencies can make their own rules.

I understand this all very well, but with all this typing, now I'm confused. :cuckoo:
 
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