Race like gentleman.....in a stock car?

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Reid Spencer NASCAR Wire ServiceSporting News

LOUDON, N.H.—There’s a pointed message that the 11 Chase for the Sprint Cup contenders other than Jimmie Johnson need to heed—right now.

It’s time to play roughhouse. It’s time to mix it up. It’s time to change the game.

NASCAR Chase: Perhaps it's time for Jimmie Johnson's rivals to force the No. 48 team to use its Kobalt tools a little more often during a race. Otherwise, the Sprint Cup Series will have a six-time champion rather than a five-time champion. Johnson, the five-time champ, hasn’t had the fastest car in either of the first two Chase races. He had the second fastest car at both Chicago and New Hampshire and finished right where he should have in both cases —second. But two seconds equal first in the standings by one point over Chicago winner Brad Keselowski and by seven over New Hampshire victor Denny Hamlin in third.

Now the Chase goes to Dover, where Johnson has seven wins—including one earlier this year—and an average finish of 8.9. Hamlin, on the other hand, has two top-10s in his last 10 Dover races and a career average finish there of 20.5. In five starts at Dover, Keselowski has a best finish of 12th and an average of 17.0. If next Sunday’s AAA 400 follows form, Johnson will expand his Chase lead and build a head of steam toward championship No. 6. That’s why it’s time for the other guys to drop the gloves and fight.

Johnson still has to get past the Oct. 7 race at Talladega, which he fears more than any other race in the Chase. Johnson hasn’t finished a restrictor-plate race this year and has said in the past that he’d gladly take a top-10 at NASCAR’s longest closed course and watch the race from his couch.
It would be a mistake, however, for Johnson’s rivals to depend on Talladega to throw a monkey wrench into the championship plans of the No. 48 team. The time to act is now.

First, in a general sense, it’s time to put a stop to the sort of genteel racing we’ve seen in the first two Chase events. Competitors not in the Chase have been driving on eggshells, ever wary of affecting the championship outcome. Drivers in the Chase have been racing each other with inordinate respect, giving each other a wide berth. When Tony Stewart pulled to the inside to allow the faster car of Kevin Harvick to pass him on the frontstretch during Sunday’s race at New Hampshire, they might as well have passed a jar of Grey Poupon from one car to another.

New Hampshire had nothing that remotely resembled a racing incident. Aside from a planned competition caution at Lap 40 and three yellows for debris, there was nothing to slow Hamlin’s charge to the checkers in the Foregone Conclusion 300. To make this a memorable Chase, drivers need to be less worried about making an irretrievable mistake and more aggressive in their approach to the competition.

Specifically, if the other 11 hope to beat Johnson, they must put him off his game. No incident has ever gotten under the five-time champion’s skin as much the one on Lap 3 of the 2009 Chase race at Texas, when Sam Hornish Jr. wrecked Johnson and cut his points lead in half. Obviously rattled by the untimely crash, Johnson nevertheless had a big enough advantage to lock up the title over the final two races. At this point, though, there are eight Chase races left, plenty of time to make a difference.

So why not consider roughing up the 48 car on a restart, or giving it an occasional love tap? It’s time to stop taking the command “Gentlemen, start your engines” so seriously. The Chase doesn’t need gentlemen.
Otherwise, we’ll spend the next year looking at a photo of Johnson with six Sprint Cup trophies on every weekly update book and media guide.

Come to think of it, one of the Chase drivers has a teammate named Hornish …

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Love taps and a little lane grabbing without wrecking the other guy would be good for NASCAR. Some door jamming for the win would be nice too. I say enough of the gentlemens agreements and bring it on.
 
So, Reid Spencer's advocating wrecking Jimmie Johnson intentionally to take him out of the championship?

Makes no sense, Hamlin's got the best car/engine/crew and will probably win it.
 
So, Reid Spencer's advocating wrecking Jimmie Johnson intentionally to take him out of the championship?

Makes no sense, Hamlin's got the best car/engine/crew and will probably win it.

Show me where you got that from? It sure wasn't from THIS article, I can tell you that. Look how upset JJ got over Kez's legal blend. JJ has sat on the gentlemans championship throne long enough. It's time these boys to start racing again.
 
So, Reid Spencer's advocating wrecking Jimmie Johnson intentionally to take him out of the championship?

Makes no sense, Hamlin's got the best car/engine/crew and will probably win it.

Why don't you just make me wanna quit watching NASCZR with that "Hamlin will probably win it" junk! Lol
 
Show me where you got that from? It sure wasn't from THIS article, I can tell you that. Look how upset JJ got over Kez's legal blend. JJ has sat on the gentlemans championship throne long enough. It's time these boys to start racing again.

Don't count on it. For chrissake, drivers were willing to sit back and finish second in the DAYTONA 500.....
 
My mantra the last two sundays was, wherearethedonuts- wherearethedents- wherearethedonuts- wherearethedents.
 
I'm ready for little door-slammin' and fender bendin', too. Waaaaay too much "nicey nice" lately.
I'm not saying wreck the guy, just bend the car a little. :D

When NASCAR let Edwards wreck Kez the way he did for a bump, and for not giving him what he wanted, they set boys have at it racing way back. They had a chance to correct the mistake when Kyle ran Hornaday into the wall by saying they won't tolerate intentional wrecking, but they missed their chance. So we are still stuck with one driver being afraid to just move another because he'll get outright wrecked for his trouble. Too many pansies crying about a rub, bump and even an improper merge.

I'm sick of the whole gentlemans agreement. The faster car SHOULD move the slower car, and everyone should accept some rubbing as part of racing. Super V8's are more nascar than nascar is.
 
When NASCAR let Edwards wreck Kez the way he did for a bump, and for not giving him what he wanted, they set boys have at it racing way back. They had a chance to correct the mistake when Kyle ran Hornaday into the wall by saying they won't tolerate intentional wrecking, but they missed their chance. So we are still stuck with one driver being afraid to just move another because he'll get outright wrecked for his trouble. Too many pansies crying about a rub, bump and even an improper merge.

The penalty for not finishing a race is pretty high, so it's not surprising to me that the chasers are more worried about wrecking than wining. The incentives NASCAR gives them are all wrong.
 
The penalty for not finishing a race is pretty high, so it's not surprising to me that the chasers are more worried about wrecking than wining. The incentives NASCAR gives them are all wrong.
What incentive can Nascar give to make wrecking a positive ?
 
Why would NASCAR want to give an incentive to wreck another driver? That would be going to far. The objective should be to encourage hard racing, not intentional wrecks.
Why not pay them or give them trophies ?
 
What incentive can Nascar give to make wrecking a positive ?

They could give more bonus points for winning during the chase, and no points for finishing out of top 20 during the chase, 21st, 31st, or 41st who cares. It should be about rewarding who runs up front.

But the writer just sounds frustrated to me, Johnson has simply been the best during the chases. The Vanilla tag is all a loser can claim against his dominance. He has won the most chase races and is unmatched in chase performances . The writer is wrong to concentrate on Johnson as well, better to the race the field, maximize your speed, and forget the vendettas. It is a long race, and if your car is off there is no point in Ryan Newmaning every inch, until it really counts. That doesn't suit the romantic notions of many but Petty and Pearson won more than anyone else that way.
 
I was thinking more along like lines of discarding the 4 worst finishes so drivers to get penalized for going for it all as much.

Interesting , but the consequences are hard to imagine .In any event , discarding Jimmy Johnson's 4 worst finishes would make him near perfect.
 
I was thinking more along like lines of discarding the 4 worst finishes so drivers to get penalized for going for it all as much.

As in only scoring the top 8, or allowing every driver 4 mulligans (only counting the 6 best events for each chase contender)?
Personally I like only scoring the best 8 per event.
 
Make ALL of the Chase Races Road Course Races!

Then we will see who the REAL drivers are!!!
 
I'm not following any of this but maybe that's good :confused:

Well, the thread title is "Race like gentleman, etc, etc" and you posted "I'd suggest racing on every type of track as is used in the first 26 races.", then I said "wrong suggestion box"?, then dpk........
 
Well, the thread title is "Race like gentleman, etc, etc" and you posted "I'd suggest racing on every type of track as is used in the first 26 races.", then I said "wrong suggestion box"?, then dpk........
I was responding to post #29 where I took Robby to mean that if they raced all road courses, there'd be less gentlemanly racing.
 
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