Racing in the Rain

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I was thinking about this on Sunday, why are we bringing cars to the track that are completely ready to race in the rain but, we dont race in the rain? The man hours to get these cars ready and the extra money spent on it is extremely high so its a legitimate question. Why the hell arent we racing in the rain?? Junior completely knocks it out of the park here.

 
I was wondering the same thing on Sunday when I heard the race was rescheduled for Monday.
 
They do race in the rain, just not heavy rain. Remember how bad the cota race was in the heavy rain? One of the Xfinity races at either Daytona or Charlotte roval was in a monsoon and it was horrible. At an oval would be even worse.
 
They do race in the rain, just not heavy rain. Remember how bad the cota race was in the heavy rain? One of the Xfinity races at either Daytona or Charlotte roval was in a monsoon and it was horrible. At an oval would be even worse.
That Xfinity race at the Roval was awesome, as was the 2016 Mid-Ohio race.
There is a point where the rain is simply too much though. If there's too much rain visibility and safety are impacted and they reached that point at Austin two years ago.
 
The only tracks they aren't racing in the rain are the larger high speed ovals. I've watched all three series race in the rain, watched the recent Truck race in the rain at Mid Ohio. I guess Jr. was off doing something else. :idunno:
 
The only tracks they aren't racing in the rain are the larger high speed ovals. I've watched all three series race in the rain, watched the recent Truck race in the rain at Mid Ohio. I guess Jr. was off doing something else. :idunno:
They didn’t race at New Hampshire, I know damn good and well it didn’t rain heavy all day. And that’s what he was talking about
 
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Plus Jr was talking about the Cup Series, so what the Trucks do have zero to do with what Jr was talking about
 
Because they are not rain tires they are wet condition tires. They have no plan to race on ovals in falling rain.
 
I was thinking about this on Sunday, why are we bringing cars to the track that are completely ready to race in the rain but, we dont race in the rain?
I submit they aren't. What's being brought are cars that are ready to race under damp conditions. NASCAR decides whether those cars are suited to the current conditions.
 
I submit they aren't. What's being brought are cars that are ready to race under damp conditions. NASCAR decides whether those cars are suited to the current conditions.
One clunky wiper that they don't use with no headlights or tailights/stop lights, or window defroster does not make a rain racing car.
 
My favorite idea for racing in the rain, since I have been here was the installation of a tarp system under the retaining walls that could be pulled out to preserve the track and pit road. The idea was how groundskeepers cover the field for baseball games.
 
No love for the mudflaps?
I love the flaps. They need these on the flaps. At least on Hailie's truck. Trucker girl.

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My favorite idea for racing in the rain, since I have been here was the installation of a tarp system under the retaining walls that could be pulled out to preserve the track and pit road. The idea was how groundskeepers cover the field for baseball games.
Where would the water go? Ball fields are designed to be covered and drain towards the sides. Race tracks drain to the center, which isn't designed to disperse it. The center would flood, particularly ar the smaller tracks with completely paved infields .
 
Where would the water go? Ball fields are designed to be covered and drain towards the sides. Race tracks drain to the center, which isn't designed to disperse it. The center would flood, particularly ar the smaller tracks with completely paved infields .
the poster that suggest this might not have thought that much ahead.
 
I submit they aren't. What's being brought are cars that are ready to race under damp conditions. NASCAR decides whether those cars are suited to the current conditions.
No these cars are capable of racing in the rain, a constant deluge with standing water is a different scenario which is what Jr was talking about. Did anyone watch the video?
 
They do race in the rain, just not heavy rain. Remember how bad the cota race was in the heavy rain? One of the Xfinity races at either Daytona or Charlotte roval was in a monsoon and it was horrible. At an oval would be even worse.
This was discussed in the video. I'm begging to wonder if anyone even watched it
 
I submit they aren't. What's being brought are cars that are ready to race under damp conditions. NASCAR decides whether those cars are suited to the current conditions.
If the rain is not standing, as in "it runs off" you most certainly can race in the rain. Wet is wet.
 
If the rain is not standing, as in "it runs off" you most certainly can race in the rain. Wet is wet.
Nope, not if there is lightning involved. You and Jr would be better off letting the powers that be call the races. They have more knowledge and information to draw from.
 
Nope, not if there is lightning involved. You and Jr would be better off letting the powers that be call the races. They have more knowledge and information to draw from.
Nah, this is why I started the thread so if you dont want to discuss it then move on. Just like a roof, you need an 1/8 inch (.072 degrees) fall for water to move 1 ft. Loudon has banking between 2 and 7 degrees, more than enough to keep water moving. If you watched the video he clearly stated he didnt want to run in standing water, he suggested a red flag if it were too bad or a caution. These tracks were built with drainage systems, you cant build a track of that magnitude and just ignore city or county codes.
 
Nah, this is why I started the thread so if you dont want to discuss it then move on. Just like a roof, you need an 1/8 inch (.072 degrees) fall for water to move 1 ft. Loudon has banking between 2 and 7 degrees, more than enough to keep water moving. If you watched the video he clearly stated he didnt want to run in standing water, he suggested a red flag if it were too bad or a caution. These tracks were built with drainage systems, you cant build a track of that magnitude and just ignore city or county codes.
Problem is we all have discussed it. You are trying to say we don't know anything. Lightning, no lights, TV scheduling, incoming weather, are all combined to make decisions about the racing. It isn't just the rain.
 
Problem is we all have discussed it. You are trying to say we don't know anything. Lightning, no lights, TV scheduling, incoming weather, are all combined to make decisions about the racing. It isn't just the rain.
Well for sake of discussion this was about rain, not lightning, lights, TV etc... and where did I say you dont know anything?
 
Where would the water go? Ball fields are designed to be covered and drain towards the sides. Race tracks drain to the center, which isn't designed to disperse it. The center would flood, particularly ar the smaller tracks with completely paved infields .
the poster that suggest this might not have thought that much ahead.
Or thought about it at all. ☔⛈️
Obviously you have some track things to change to make it work, but it is not impossible at all. And definitely not laughable. Changes could be made to infields of tracks to make them work better for this. It's a minor engineering problem at worst.
 
Obviously you have some track things to change to make it work, but it is not impossible at all. And definitely not laughable. Changes could be made to infields of tracks to make them work better for this. It's a minor engineering problem at worst.
A mile and a half of tarp panels and the motors / hardware required to retract each of them to their storage positions under or at the base of the safer barrier sections … while they’re wet.

I see it as an engineering challenge and an expensive one.
 
From Elton Sawyer

“Our goal here is to get back to racing as soon as possible. If there is an opportunity to get cars or trucks on the race track and speed up the process to get back to racing, that’s what our goal is.


“We’re also very cognizant that we will not be racing in full-blown rain for any length like we would on a road course.”

“Maybe it’s not that we’re racing in down-pouring rain, but maybe we can race on those race tracks when it’s still damp and go out there and race then, and the track dry off quicker and not have fans sitting there waiting for the track to dry,” he said.
 
From Elton Sawyer

“Our goal here is to get back to racing as soon as possible. If there is an opportunity to get cars or trucks on the race track and speed up the process to get back to racing, that’s what our goal is.


We’re also very cognizant that we will not be racing in full-blown rain for any length like we would on a road course.”

“Maybe it’s not that we’re racing in down-pouring rain, but maybe we can race on those race tracks when it’s still damp and go out there and race then, and the track dry off quicker and not have fans sitting there waiting for the track to dry,” he said.
I see this as he expects to be able to race in the rain when its not a monsoon. Even though COTA was a mess, they still were able to run in it so just imagine doing the same thing with just a steady drizzle. jmo
 
A GIF is easier than spelling for some...
Obviously you have some track things to change to make it work, but it is not impossible at all. And definitely not laughable. Changes could be made to infields of tracks to make them work better for this. It's a minor engineering problem at worst.
Exorbitantly expensive , and it's not minor by any stretch.
And, all those changes, based upon IF it might rain.? Will never happen...
 
Where would the water go? Ball fields are designed to be covered and drain towards the sides. Race tracks drain to the center, which isn't designed to disperse it. The center would flood, particularly ar the smaller tracks with completely paved infields .
Not a fan of the tarp system but all ovals currently drain toward the center/infield area.
 
In a heavy downpour they should start with a speed limit of 45 mph. They could increase it by 1 to 5 mph per lap based on the track until achieving maximum speed.

If a driving is caught spreading he should be penalized by being forced to revert back to the 45 mph mph speed limit and be required to build back his speed following the additional miles per lap protocol.

That would put some heat in the track and help to create an organic vortex.
 
In a heavy downpour they should start with a speed limit of 45 mph. They could increase it by 1 to 5 mph per lap based on the track until achieving maximum speed.

If a driving is caught spreading he should be penalized by being forced to revert back to the 45 mph mph speed limit and be required to build back his speed following the additional miles per lap protocol.

That would put some heat in the track and help to create an organic vortex.
lol, you nut! If a driver is caught spreading I hopes its Toni................nevermind lol
 
In a heavy downpour they should start with a speed limit of 45 mph. They could increase it by 1 to 5 mph per lap based on the track until achieving maximum speed.

If a driving is caught spreading he should be penalized by being forced to revert back to the 45 mph mph speed limit and be required to build back his speed following the additional miles per lap protocol.

That would put some heat in the track and help to create an organic vortex.
I gotta say your first sentence made "Juke Box Hero " pop in my head, true story ;)
 
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