Racing Matchups!!! Pick who you think would win (in there primes)

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Tony Stewart vs. Bobby Allison Stewart
Cale Yarborough vs. Rusty Wallace too close to pick
David Pearson vs. Jeff Gordon Gordon
Richard Petty vs. Dale Earnhardt SR.
Darrell Waltrip vs. Dale Jr. DW
Davey Allison vs. Ricky Rudd Davey
Tim Richmond vs. Ryan Newman I plead the 5th (thought Tim could drive the wheels off of a car)
Benny Parsons vs. Jimmie Johnson too close
Bill Elliott vs. Buddy Baker Awesome
Bobby Labonte vs. Jeff Burton 99
Matt Kenseth vs. Ernie Irvan Kenseth
Mark Martin vs. Dale Jarrett too close

I just was randomly picking names so I didnt mean to leave anyone off of the list but give me your thoughts.....
 
I agree with all except for Petty would race circles around Sr...their career stats show you that.

I would pick Jarrett over Martin..Jarrett's got a title no?
 
Depends on the track. For the sake of consistency, I'll use Charlotte.

Bobby Allison
Cale Yarbrough, but it's close
David Pearson. I've seen them both. Pearson in a runaway.
Earnhardt
Jaws, but that's one race where I'd pray for 2 blown motors on the first lap
Davey by an eyelash
Tim Richmond...for now
Johnson. BP never impressed me that much
Elliott
Close, but I'll take Labonte unless it rains
Kenseth
Martin...he won one too, just never got handed the trophy.
 
These new guys couldn't drive a non-power-steering car to save their own lives.

These new guys couldn't drive a STOCK car sto save their own lives.

There is no way in Walla Walla Washington that 85% of the drivers on the Winston Cup circuit today can even be compared to the great STOCK car drivers of just a few short years ago.

There is huge difference between driving a purpose built racing machine and driving a modified STOCK car.

The old boys woulda punted half the drivers that have come up in the last 15 years straight in to the turn three wall for so much as looking sideways at em. Used to be not only did ya have to bring a car that could keep up, ya HAD to keep it clean or you'ld be the one on the hook.

Rough driving? The fans of today's nascar got no friggin idea what rough driving is. And neither do most of the drivers.
 
Bah, the ol old vs. new argument. Nobody reallys knows either way because the game has changes so much. It's pointless to argue that one would beat the other because in reality you have no idea what they could do in each others equipment.
 
I remember a certain driver this year driving at Watkins Glen with no power steering. Finished 2nd I think. I am sure that any drivers today would have done just fine back then.
 
That's one race.....I'm talking 50 to 100 a year in cars, not racing machines.
 
They could race them. Just because they race the modern day cars has no way of saying they couldn't race the older cars.
 
Originally posted by paul
I agree with all except for Petty would race circles around Sr...their career stats show you that.

paul, how can you even compare their stats...Petty use to race alot of races at local short tracks where he had no competition and no one stood a chance unless he broke down or wrecked and these counted in his totals...his numbers are inflated because of this...yes...Petty was one of the greats, and raced against some of the best drivers ever, but he didn't race against the the top drivers every race like Dale and the drivers of the modern era did/do. so in no do Petty's career stats show anything
talent wise.

and before you get all revved up that I'm just an earnhardt fan defending him, I would pick atleast 5 other drivers i think would beat Petty head to head and their career stats don't compare either....:)
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Petty.....like the current demi-god Jeff....had the best cars out there. Difference is that Petty freely admits that it was the machine and not the man.
 
This is so pointless.:rolleyes:

And you think that Jeff has the best cars out there? You haven't been watching much Cup racing this year, have ya?

71Fan, you usually are very intuitive when it comes to talking about racing but you've said some things lately that make me wonder.(BTW, I'm not arguing with you on the Petty deal, I agree with you on that. Petty was a joke and so are all of his career numbers that he's so proud of)
 
well...I think the man(driver) has something to do with it no matter how good or bad the car is....and Petty knew he had the best at the time, but he has to get credit for knowing what to do with it.....I just don't think his stats means much in comparing other drivers to him....:)
 
I really have no idea who would win, but I would pay a whole lot of money to watch it.
 
To dismiss over 15 years of championship racing and over 20 years of race winning performance to "the car" defies logic.

Having witnessed first hand, seen films of and heard reports of the classic battles between Petty - Pearson: Petty - Allison (ta name a couple) further defies that line of reasoning.

To attempt credit all success to the car alone or the driver alone would seem to go against what little I know of racing in general.

Maybe someone can show us a consistently competitive and winning driver in any series of their choosing who did so in demonstrably inferior equipment.

Or vice versa for that matter,. How about equipment that was consistently winning despite having an inferior driver.

Never mind I guess that last one was covered.:(
 
Tony Stewert, but not by much.
Cale Yarborough, unless the race was at a short track.
David Pearson, although Gordon would give him a run for the money.
Earnhardt Sr.
Darrell Waltrip, in that Junior Johnson ride, could beat any man in the list.
Davey Allison, although Rudd is a great driver too.
Tim Richmond. He and Harry Hyde would have been unstoppable.
Jimmie Johnson, although I could go either way here.
Bill Elliott, on a superspeedway in 85', was the most dominating thing NASCAR probably ever saw. In my opinion at least.
Jeff Burton, but I'm biased here heh.
Ernie Irvan.
Mark Martin.
 
On the contrary BC......I been watching all year long, and for a whole lotta years prior.

You see, once upon a time there was this kid out of the open wheel ranks that got a ride as a junior partner to a really good driver. Now this kid didn't know beans about how to drive a stock car but dern was he good lookin and the owner of the team just happened to be one of the slickest biz men in auto-racing. Knows a gold mine when he sees it and tosses his entire organization at giving this kid the very best that money buy.

Well sure enuf the kid does pretty good for a rookie down there in the bush leagues. Shows some real flashes of brilliance and looks really good too. Did I mention this was a real good looking kid? Anyways, the boss brings him on up to the big time, and keeps tossing more money at the car than most of the other guys out there have made in their entire careers. Speed cost how fast ya wanna go and the boss wants really really fast. The kid keeps improving as a driver.

Well now the PR and marketing guys move in. Along comes the monster sponsor that throws even more money at the car. The kid takes off in an F-14 while the rest of the field is trying to keep up in P-51 Mustangs and World War One Bi-Planes. A few of them actually do.

On any given Sunday the kid is an odds on fave to win the race. When ya got twice the money to work with as your closest competitior and 15 to 30 times as much as the guys in the back row, it's really not much of a stretch to beat the other guys 20 percent of the time.

In my book, a great driver in the very same car would have won twice as many races. Dick Trickle coulda been a champ in this kids car. But still, he's just a kid.

Ahh but the grand days are over. Parity is upon the sport, other teams have found the money to buy more speed, and even better looking kids are starting to show up. The kid is beginning to struggle. Puts together the longest non-winning streak of his career. Ends the 2nd longest DNF steak in modern history. Starts making huge mistakes out of frustration.

Ya see, the kid was groomed to be a winner and a winner he became. Can he survive as merely a contender? If he does, I'll call him great. But if he doesn't I'll no longer even call him very good.
 
If that's what you believe then more power to ya. To each his own opinion.

How sad.....:rolleyes:
 
BC, just as he's not 100% right...you're not 100% right in saying that Richard Petty is "a joke and so are all his numbers".
 
Yea, Paul, your right. I know that Petty was a great one but I just think that his stats(mainly 200 wins) is way over blown by some people.
 
Well it is the record.

Was he racing the best equipment in a time when other people weren't? At times yes.

But this guy was a master, and so were his opponents.
 
Sad is that folks can't see the truth in that little fairly tale, or how many times it's been told in the course of auto-racing history.

And like Paul sez.....maybe it's not 100 percent correct but it's dern close to it. Truth of the matter is, change a few references, remove the good lookin stuff, insert a few different stats, and it could be about Richard, or Dale, or Tony, or Terry, or even Junior. That story has been played out so many times over the years it's silly.

Nothing beats cubic inches. Nothing.
 
71fan I dont understand your logic if jeff is such a bad driver and its all about the money how do you explain his success in other series or wait thats right he was born a millionare sorry about that.

As for dale sr and richard petty dale sr had good cars through most of his successfull seasons also we have been over this again and again if you dont have a car thats just as competitive as everyone elses you cannot win. Look at todays drivers hideo,long,casey, or even shannah put them in roush,hendrick,or any other well funded car and I gaurentee there stats will change.
 
Originally posted by paul
I agree with all except for Petty would race circles around Sr...their career stats show you that.

I would pick Jarrett over Martin..Jarrett's got a title no?
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Damn straight about Petty He would whoop Dale(not to sound mean Dales one hell of a driver)
 
Smack.....I've never said Jeff is a bad driver. Jeff is a very good driver. But let's see how he does in average equipment before we elevate him to great eh?
 
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