Rain in Phoenix this weekend?

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I know it's only Tuesday, but they're forcasting rain for Sat.(50%) and possibly Sun.(20%) here in the Phoenix, area.

My main concern for Sunday's race (other than keeping my BBQ lit), is the track. Looks like PIR has been trying to lay some rubber down on the track this month to create more racing grooves. Too bad the work may all be done for naught.

I also see a lot of drivers saying they are expecting minimal side by side racing because of the new pavement. Some say we will see a lot of wrecks on restarts because that will be the only opportunity to pass.

Maybe I'm a little premature on this, but I sure hope for an exciting race on Sunday (and not Monday). But with no rubber on a newly paved, reconfigured racetrack, I guess I'll just expect the unexpected.

As many of you are. Thoughts?
 
Bucky Badger said:
i'll let you know this weekend
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I live in the Phoenix area and the good news is the forcasters are wrong way more than they are right. Let's hope there is no rain.
 
Whether it rains or not, I am fully expecting the unexpected this weekend!
 
There is a 50% chance of weather of some kind:p
 
I think your concerns about the racing on the newly repaved track are more warranted than worrying about the weather. Way too early to tell about the weather concerns. Besides there's nothing that can be done about that anyhow. It is what it is. The track however..... Repaving almost always ruins the quality of racing for some time to come. I predict very low 'rate the race scores' this week but I'm sure hoping for the best. Maybe the best thing that could happen is for qualifying to get rained out and have them start on points? Carl & Tony can start and run up front all day long and then have them battle it out @ Homestead for the championship. :growl:
 
kkfan91 said:
There is a 50% chance of weather of some kind:p
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LOL, have you ever thought of getting into the weather forecasting business....it's the only job I know of that you can keep if your only right 50% of the time.
 
With the newer type of asphalt the tracks sem to come in much better, look at Darlington after they repaved it a few years back! The cars where hooked up and hauling donkeys right off the bat.
Also when they reconfigured the track shape they also went with variable banking with 10-11 degree banking between Turn 1 and Turn 2; 10-11 degree banking in the apex of the dog-leg; and 8-9 degree banking in Turn 4. If you remember how boring Homestead was in it's second configuration compared to how it is now with it's variable banking we have hope for a good race.
I'll be out there for this one so it's bound to be a barn burner :D
 
Is the Wypall 200, going to be the 1st race sponsered by a toilet paper brand?


Does the #200 represent the grit rating of the paper?
 
FlFlash said:
With the newer type of asphalt the tracks sem to come in much better, look at Darlington after they repaved it a few years back! The cars where hooked up and hauling donkeys right off the bat.
Also when they reconfigured the track shape they also went with variable banking with 10-11 degree banking between Turn 1 and Turn 2; 10-11 degree banking in the apex of the dog-leg; and 8-9 degree banking in Turn 4. If you remember how boring Homestead was in it's second configuration compared to how it is now with it's variable banking we have hope for a good race.
I'll be out there for this one so it's bound to be a barn burner :D
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With all those extra degrees, will it make the track hotter?

It may sound silly, but it's a trick question.
 
FenderBumper said:
With all those extra degrees, will it make the track hotter?

It may sound silly, but it's a trick question.
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When Homestead went to progressive banking we saw higher tire temps but they also had a different asphalt compound than before and speeds where higher?
There's so many variables in track temperature you don't know what you'll see until you see it.
 
Getting that groove worked in.....
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In the past five weeks, PIR officials have worked to grind in enough rubber to help provide an outside racing groove.

Rubber has been put down using a tire-dragging machine, going through more than 80 tires during 12 days for approximately 90 hours of actual dragging.

Using 850-horsepower cars from the Richard Petty Driving Experience, drivers Randy LaJoie, Frank Kimmel, Tim Fedewa, Steve Grissom, Brad Noffsinger and Andy Thurman combined for 3,000 laps on a soft Goodyear tire compound.
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Full Story here.
 
" Using 850-horsepower cars from the Richard Petty Driving Experience, drivers Randy LaJoie, Frank Kimmel, Tim Fedewa, Steve Grissom, Brad Noffsinger and Andy Thurman combined for 3,000 laps on a soft Goodyear tire compound. "

WOW, Tim Fedewa managed to get his name in with some real race car drivers :rolleyes:
 
If nascar would go to a wider tire, everyone could race on softer rubber that actually wears into the track.
 
FenderBumper said:
If nascar would go to a wider tire, everyone could race on softer rubber that actually wears into the track.
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Except for Plate Races where a narrower and/or harder tire would solve a plethera of issues...
 
FenderBumper said:
If nascar would go to a wider tire, everyone could race on softer rubber that actually wears into the track.
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Thought they were supposed to go to a taller,wider tire next year but haven't heard much about that here lately?
 
mike honcho said:
Thought they were supposed to go to a taller,wider tire next year but haven't heard much about that here lately?
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3-4 years ago Goodyear was contemplating developing a larger rim diameter and slightly wider tire to take care of some issue's of the time. NASCAR and the Team owners where not in favor of it mostly because of cost's and development. All old chassis and bodies would have had to be rebuilt to fit it or tossed in the scrap heap. The larger rim diameter would have opened the door for brake developments that would cost more and require testing, old brake components would have hit the scrap pile. All your set ups would have been worthless so a mass increase in testing would be needed, meaning more money spent. They kinda got over it when they started adding it up cost wise.
In the past few years Goodyear has developed the current size tire to the point that it has become To Good in some people's opinion :rolleyes: and the problems are gone.

But who knows tomorrow Brian might change the rules again :(
 
FlFlash said:
In the past few years Goodyear has developed the current size tire to the point that it has become To Good in some people's opinion :rolleyes: and the problems are gone.

But who knows tomorrow Brian might change the rules again :(
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If the problems are gone, why do we still have all the aero crap that has ended the side by side wars we all want to see?
 
FlFlash said:
In the past few years Goodyear has developed the current size tire to the point that it has become To Good in some people's opinion :rolleyes: and the problems are gone.

But who knows tomorrow Brian might change the rules again :(
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Yeah I could see where putting the bigger,heavier car on the smaller,skinnier tires wouldn't cause any problems.:rolleyes:
 
FenderBumper said:
If the problems are gone, why do we still have all the aero crap that has ended the side by side wars we all want to see?
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Name the race and car # from the car you last saw a tire problem on that was not caused by overaggresive suspension settings or damage from debris.

The tires are fine the racing is a little lackluster.

mike honcho said:
Yeah I could see where putting the bigger,heavier car on the smaller,skinnier tires wouldn't cause any problems.:rolleyes:
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The cars have become lighter since we went to COT? NASCAR's been running the same Size tires on Cup cars since 1969?
 
I agree! Put bowling balls on all four corners and let's see who is the best "DRIVER"!
 
FlFlash said:
Okay don't just say I missed the point "Enlighten Me"
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The tires are so good, they don't wear. But that's not all it takes to make a good race tire. Grip and rubber is what they need, but the tires are so hard they get neither. So the cars have an aero package to make up for the lack of mechanical grip. The aero package is what has changed the racing so much. Some examples:

Side by side racing: Now, if you slip into the other car, your splitter will shred his tire.

Passing: The guy in front has clean air, so his aero package works. The guy behind is lacking mechanical grip, so he can't pass.

2 by 2 racing (pod): Since the cars need a big spoiler, it slows the car down. If you get right behind someone, the air passes over your spoiler without slowing your car so you both go faster.

The list goes on and on. By moving away from mechanical grip and so far towards aero grip, the racing has changed for the worse. IMO, this is why short tracks, where aero isn't as important as mechanical grip, are the only good racing left that you can depend on.
 
FenderBumper said:
The tires are so good, they don't wear. But that's not all it takes to make a good race tire. Grip and rubber is what they need, but the tires are so hard they get neither. So the cars have an aero package to make up for the lack of mechanical grip. The aero package is what has changed the racing so much. Some examples:

Side by side racing: Now, if you slip into the other car, your splitter will shred his tire.

Passing: The guy in front has clean air, so his aero package works. The guy behind is lacking mechanical grip, so he can't pass.

2 by 2 racing (pod): Since the cars need a big spoiler, it slows the car down. If you get right behind someone, the air passes over your spoiler without slowing your car so you both go faster.

The list goes on and on. By moving away from mechanical grip and so far towards aero grip, the racing has changed for the worse. IMO, this is why short tracks, where aero isn't as important as mechanical grip, are the only good racing left that you can depend on.
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Can't argue with what your saying, Butt getting NASCAR and All the Manufacturers to agree on putting soft tires and 55-57 bodys on the Cup cars is going to be a Tuff sell........wonder what a 55-57 toyota looks like anyway?
 
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