HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
Race: -5, horrible from start to finish.
RATE THE RACE: Coke Zero 400
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nascage
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5. Pretty average race. Too bad Jr. didn't have a dance partner in the early moments of that last restart.
The radio feed from McMurray and Montoya revealing their drafting differences was interesting.
The radio feed from McMurray and Montoya revealing their drafting differences was interesting.
wilson89
Team Owner
1 I used to look forward to Daytona and Talladega all year now I just pray for them to end as soon as possible
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DJ Rossi
Guest
Bit Strange..FORD Ragan Win.. Give it 8...
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PettyBlue
Guest
The race was frustrating to watch, but the coverage was superb. Go figger.
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
TNT actually got their heads out of their asses and did a good job.
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
Friend of mine just texted me from Daytona, said it was a pretty bad race.
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PettyBlue
Guest
What I like is that they go into lots more nuts & bolts stuff geared (pun intended) to the knowlegable fan instead of the fluffy personality parade on FOX.
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dannynascar
Guest
I'll take my score from the title Coke ZERO that race sucked
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
I like Wally Dallenbach... he does a really good job explaining things.
Adam Alexander is the worst play by play announcer ever... I'd rather have Bill Weber or Jerry Punch in the booth... actually, all things considered, Weber wasn't that bad.
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Gordon_Fan24
Guest
I will go a 5 for the race overall. I did watch all of it, even though the first 3/4 were pretty boring. The ending was a little better, but it is a shame that "wrecking" is what made the ending exciting. I really wish they would do something to change this style of racing....I do not find it very enjoyable at all.
Highlight of the entire race for me was Gordon's amazing safe of a sideways car...and the great job JPM and the others around him did of not hitting him. Was a lot of grade A driving going on right there from a few guys.
Highlight of the entire race for me was Gordon's amazing safe of a sideways car...and the great job JPM and the others around him did of not hitting him. Was a lot of grade A driving going on right there from a few guys.
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John Galt
Guest
Just got through trying to watch the DVR of the race this morning. Sorry, for me Love Bug Racing" just isn't racing. Could Kenseth have won the race if he actually tried? I like Ragan and am happy to see him win but this win should have an "*" after it in the record books. I always thought that there was a NA__AR rule prohibiting a car from getting help from being pushed?
The last lap fiasco was so predictable that it hurt. The fact that NA__AR allows the cars to double up,thus doubling the number of cars going for the win, which doubles the chances for some last lap crash fest as they had last night, is just silly, racing-wise. So, I imagine NA__AR will continue this type of lowest denominator type of racing.
So, to rate the race I'd give the fact the Ragan finally got a win a solid 9. The "Racing" itself... I'll be generous and give it a 2 and that's only because the cars were going clockwise around the track. The coverage, from what I heard, I'll give an 8, except Adam Alexander is about as inspiring an announcer as a grapefruit. I think Mike Joy would be a good fit in this booth and Alexander would mesh well with the two Village Idiots on FOX.
The last lap fiasco was so predictable that it hurt. The fact that NA__AR allows the cars to double up,thus doubling the number of cars going for the win, which doubles the chances for some last lap crash fest as they had last night, is just silly, racing-wise. So, I imagine NA__AR will continue this type of lowest denominator type of racing.
So, to rate the race I'd give the fact the Ragan finally got a win a solid 9. The "Racing" itself... I'll be generous and give it a 2 and that's only because the cars were going clockwise around the track. The coverage, from what I heard, I'll give an 8, except Adam Alexander is about as inspiring an announcer as a grapefruit. I think Mike Joy would be a good fit in this booth and Alexander would mesh well with the two Village Idiots on FOX.
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Mopardh9
Guest
I turned it off so that ought to tell you that I absolutely hate plate racing, and this style of plate racing is worst so far. Nascar needs to get their heads out of their assees and listen to the fans and drivers for that matter, and bring back real racing to Daytona and Dega. I give it a big fat 0.
buckaroo
Here kitty, kitty, kitty
I guess I'm in the minority on this one. I enjoyed the race and have accepted the tandem racing. Its almost like tag team racing. There some inherent problems that can occur with this style of racing and did happen. One team was caught a lap down at a caution and thus it was the front runner who got the lucky dog. Of course they were still able to hook up on a restart and eventually they were both able to get on the same lap. As for me, I'll give the race an 8.
mike honcho
Knuckleheads
Glad I was on a plane heading back from Vegas after reading this.
Tennessee Racing
Formerly Stewart Fan
Didn't watch it but glad I didn't miss anything.
VaDirt
Dirt Track Fanatic
I can't really give a rating. I tuned in with 4 laps to go, caught the Gordon save (and not being hit by anyone). I thought the end would setup to be good, looked like, but then it just fizzled because of the crappy 2x2 crappy crap.
They played the radio talk between Ragan and Kenseth, and Kenseth said something along the lines of "I'll push ya all the way to the win." That is NOT racing. Every one of these races ends the same way. Th guy pushing just stays behind, happy to push his "partner" across the line. Talladega was slightly different, but the pushers remained pushers.
ugh!
They played the radio talk between Ragan and Kenseth, and Kenseth said something along the lines of "I'll push ya all the way to the win." That is NOT racing. Every one of these races ends the same way. Th guy pushing just stays behind, happy to push his "partner" across the line. Talladega was slightly different, but the pushers remained pushers.
ugh!
HoneyBadger
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
Jim Utter was saying there were definitely team orders... all the teams hooked up but the owners said they wanted one guy out front and the other guy pushing. Worse than F1.
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#17D500winner
Guest
I can't see why there'd need to be team orders when it's obvious that two cars racing side by side will very quickly end up at the back.
I see only one difference between this race and Talledega and that's who finished 1-2.
Anyway, I'll give the race a 5.
I see only one difference between this race and Talledega and that's who finished 1-2.
Anyway, I'll give the race a 5.
MRM
Team Owner
I'll also go with a 5. It had it moments, but the middle to end of the race was just ho-hum.
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John Galt
Guest
I didn't watch the Firecracker 400 last night but went to one of my local tracks and saw actual stock car racing instead. I reviewed it via my DVR this morning. It was about what I expected, "Racer-tainment" reduced to its lowest common denominator.
Doesn't NA__AR have a rule that a competing car must compete solely under its own power? If a car is being pushed, then is it really operating as the rule specifies?
A bump, or drafting is one thing because the cars are not physically touching each other for extended periods of time. But these guys are actually pushing each other, refraining from doing so only occasionally.
Doesn't NA__AR have a rule that a competing car must compete solely under its own power? If a car is being pushed, then is it really operating as the rule specifies?
A bump, or drafting is one thing because the cars are not physically touching each other for extended periods of time. But these guys are actually pushing each other, refraining from doing so only occasionally.
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SlowNeasy
Guest
i thought it was only that a car can't be pushed across the finish line on the last lap?
Tennessee Racing
Formerly Stewart Fan
I always heard you can't push on the last lap at any point. I think they meant you can't push a teamate if he/she is out of fuel.
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John Galt
Guest
Of course, since the Rule Book isn't readily available to the average fan, who knows?
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John Galt
Guest
My reply to SlowNEasy is germane.
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mickeysimzac
Guest
10, love this type of racing
I'll go a 1, just because Ford won.
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SlowNeasy
Guest
i'm amazed that the nascar rule book hasn't leaked to the net, everything else has. funny that a sport as popular as nascar auto racing has a rule book that is so top secret nobody has leaked it.
Me too.
I would rather see two car hook ups that produce a large amount of passing and being able to come from the back with some help instead of a thirty car train. And with the train, if you lose the draft you are screwed.
I also give this race a 10.
VaDirt
Dirt Track Fanatic
What passing? The pre-determined, let's swap positions passing? or the passing coming up the the checkered flag? Oh that's right, there wasn't any.
Whizzer
Gig'em
It was an event. It was not a race, so........give the event a rating of 1;
for promotional purposes only. And that is probably more than generous. The thought is beginning to creep into my mind NASCAR should, where Talledega and Daytona are concerned, promote them as demolition derbies rather than billing them as an actual "race."
for promotional purposes only. And that is probably more than generous. The thought is beginning to creep into my mind NASCAR should, where Talledega and Daytona are concerned, promote them as demolition derbies rather than billing them as an actual "race."
buckaroo
Here kitty, kitty, kitty
You didn't see any passing? I saw plenty of passing with two cars zooming past others, many times for the lead.
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MELROSEMAFIA
Guest
The race sucked....BUT...It was good to see more fans in the stands, than at previous races this season....
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John Galt
Guest
Did you happen to notice how many of the stands were completely closed? This is a ploy by both NA__AR and the tracks (In the case of Daytona, that's one in the same) to pack the fans together, thus whenever the cameras show the stands, the illusion is given that the track is filled with fans. In the DVR I watched I also noticed that they were allowing people to stand in the aisle in front of the first rows, (this was a no-no at most of the races I've attended over the years). This also adds to the impression that the place is completely filled.
That's not saying that there weren't a butt-load of people there for the Firecracker 400. But, the track was nowhere close to being filled with people, just the main grandstand.
buckaroo
Here kitty, kitty, kitty
I did notice that the Super Stretch stands were empty.
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MELROSEMAFIA
Guest
Exactly...but better than some of the previous races this year...Saturday nights announced attendance was 115,000
VaDirt
Dirt Track Fanatic
If you say so. Stats at Dega and Dayton, especially lead change stats, have become pointless.
But...if you insist that it was a great race, I'll let you hold on to that fantasy. And if you like the issue of the pusher being just the pusher and not wanting to take the win....I'll give ya that one too.
But I'll tell you this, I still HATE this two-by-two crap, especially when, like I said, the pusher is content just pushing and not winning.
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Mopardh9
Guest
If you say so. Stats at Dega and Dayton, especially lead change stats, have become pointless.
But...if you insist that it was a great race, I'll let you hold on to that fantasy. And if you like the issue of the pusher being just the pusher and not wanting to take the win....I'll give ya that one too.
But I'll tell you this, I still HATE this two-by-two crap, especially when, like I said, the pusher is content just pushing and not winning.
It isn't racing, no shape or form. In what other form of racing do you see the 2x2 crap? You don't...you won't see it IRL, Formula 1, sports cars, Australian V-8 Supercar racing, anywhere. Think of the out rage from the world of motorsports if this type of racing were to happen! Yet in Nascar it is some how accepted.