Rate The Race Vegas

I dont know it was close. If it wasnt for the finish I would of rated it a 2. So I'll give it a 4 because of the close finish and Tonys bumping. :growl:
 
I'll give it a 2 cause it was another 2 lap race, where the best car didn't finish 1st, because of another late caution.
I getting sick of watching 2 lap races.
 
i'd give it a 5. It was good mostly "clean" (depending on who you ask) racing, even 3 wide. Just wait till next year!
 
BobbyFord said:
I'll give it a 2 cause it was another 2 lap race, where the best car didn't finish 1st, because of another late caution.
I getting sick of watching 2 lap races.
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...only because of who pulled into victory lane, right? Matt was haivng ignition trouble there at the end, and Jimmie was catching him anyhow. The better of the two front runners won, just because you don't like the 48, save it.

Winning aside, it was entertaining. 'Mister Safety' Tony Stewart was back at bumping people and running into the walls he was so out of control. I like Tony, and he keeps things entertaining, but other than that, you could have easily missed the middle 150 laps and not missed a thing.

4, at best.

- k y l e
 
can't didn't watch but from what i reading i didn't miss much
what happened to shrader ? i see he finished waaaaay in the back
 
I will give it a 4. I sure hope the racin' gets better soon. I don't seem to have the interest this year as I had in the past. Perhaps I am missing Terry, Bill, Rusty, etc.
 
BobbyFord said:
I'll give it a 2 cause it was another 2 lap race, where the best car didn't finish 1st, because of another late caution.
I getting sick of watching 2 lap races.
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaa !!!!!!!!
But the best car did win.
Kenseth was losing ground to the 48 and got snookered without any cheap shots by either driver, and that alone is commendable. Jimmie Johnson may not be popular with some fans but one thing for sure, he is the real deal and proved it, again, yesterday!!!

If there is one thing to bitch about, it is the calls by NASCAR to find excuses to throw the caution. If the caution isn't thrown to close the field, it is to tossed to create the green/white/ checkered finish.
GEESHH!!!! Three races and three g/w/c ??????????

Tell me it ain't so Brian !!!!!!! Tell me it ain't to give the effervescent, yuppie, instant gratification, gotta have it now, spoiled fans of the latest sport craze, NASCAR doesn't throw the caution for questionable reasons to create a g/w/c !!!!! A rubber spacer ?????

In the past, the end of the race was sacred. The end of the race would not cause a caution to be thrown unless there were human bodies on the track, and even then it might depend whether the body is identified and when it is, the decision of how important the person is would be considered before the caution flag was thrown. The g/w/c was designed for safety reasons and is so abused it reeks like sour milk.

Jimmie Johnson won the race fair and square. he won the race by being the best car and a smart driver. The race was Kenseth's to win or to lose and since NASCAR has adopted this attitude of "gotta have an exciting finsh every week or the "fans" will leave" mentality, finishes such as the one yesterday will be controversial.

So Jimmie Johnson haters, suck it up. Be brave. Recognize talent and ability when you see it. Look at the overall picture and realize a smart and capable driver in a great car with a high profile and winning team, did what had to be done, and went on to do it with style and class.

Just as Matt Kenseth did the week before at California. :)
 
that last caution wasn't stupid. For all nascar knows, any debris is treated equal (less paper)- beit a chunk of kenny wallace's fender, a spring rubber, or a human.
 
I'll get flamed, but whatever....

If you're upset regarding GWC finishes in the Cup series - see Talladega and Gordon's win over the 8 car. Then, the subsequent downpour of coolers, beer cans, race fodder, and the like from the drunken Red Army. That event alone was the catalyst for NASCAR thinking seriously on bringing it to Cup, and I refuse to believe otherwise. The Red Army is a huge factor in marketing, and NASCAR's most important figure - money. If the Red Army is happy - NASCAR's happy.

- k y l e
 
If there is one thing to bitch about, it is the calls by NASCAR to find excuses to throw the caution. If the caution isn't thrown to close the field, it is to tossed to create the green/white/ checkered finish.
GEESHH!!!! Three races and three g/w/c ??????????

Tell me it ain't so Brian !!!!!!! Tell me it ain't to give the effervescent, yuppie, instant gratification, gotta have it now, spoiled fans of the latest sport craze, NASCAR doesn't throw the caution for questionable reasons to create a g/w/c !!!!! A rubber spacer ?????

In the past, the end of the race was sacred. The end of the race would not cause a caution to be thrown unless there were human bodies on the track, and even then it might depend whether the body is identified and when it is, the decision of how important the person is would be considered before the caution flag was thrown. The g/w/c was designed for safety reasons and is so abused it reeks like sour milk.


Amen Whizz!!! Its really getting like a carnival side show. I know I am getting awful tired of it. I know I am not as interested in these races as I used to be.
 
Amen Whizz!!! Its really getting like a carnival side show. I know I am getting awful tired of it. I know I am not as interested in these races as I used to be.



now you know one of the reasons i am not wasting my sunday afternoons in front of the tube anymore
 
Speaking of the Red Army, what happened to the 8? I thought he was going to finish top 15. But, 27th? Was he the one that brushed the wall on the final laps?
 
Speeding entering pit road on last caution, end of the longest line.
Too bad, they got the car working pretty good towards the end. Could have been a top 15, which is really an improvement for themat that type of track.
 
Let's face it, the G/W/C is used because the fans demanded it. We got what we wanted, but now we're unhappy because it's being used.

That last caution was warranted --- huge pieces of metal on the track are not funny. I suppose the conspiracy theorists will say that NASCAR told those 2 to run into each other and bring out the yellow.

For the most part, the race was a snoozer. Jimmy took advantage of Matt's trouble and won.

I give the race a 3.5
 
But, but JBurton, Schrader and Mikey said how can the racing being boring when they are 3 wide, sometimes 4, at speeds of 180mph. And, the winner only leads coming out of turn 4 of the last lap. That has to be exciting. That maybe the fans have been spoiled. While they didn't outright rip the fans they were a little harsh.
 
Some fans forget how Petty and Pearson sometimes won races being the only car or two on the lead lap. Then again, some fans ask, "Who's Pearson?"
 
Gosh, seems that since there wasn't any big wrecks that this race wasn't all that exciting. I thought we didn't want to see that type of racing. Have we all changed?
 
I think that whoever got out in clean air was there to stay. On restarts there was three wide passing for a few laps until everyone got strung out. Then it was aero-tight racing and that just doesn't make for exciting racing. Nothing to do with wrecks, IMO.
 
barelypure said:
But, but JBurton, Schrader and Mikey said how can the racing being boring when they are 3 wide, sometimes 4, at speeds of 180mph. And, the winner only leads coming out of turn 4 of the last lap. That has to be exciting. That maybe the fans have been spoiled. While they didn't outright rip the fans they were a little harsh.
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I heard that, too, barelypure, from some friends that were there. Too bad we didn't get to see all that action on TV.

Steve007, I well remember the races were there might be 3 cars on the lead lap. And, oh do I know who Pearson is. :)
 
Well i was there and it was a totally boring race, one of the worse since i have been going to Vegas. There was a few 3 wide moments, but very few, clean air was definetely the place to be. Is it just me or have all the races been snoozers this year? I give this race a 2, only for the finish or i'd give it a 1.
 
The caution at Las Vegas was not stupid but a valid caution. Unlike the caution flag at California creating the g/w/c for "possible" fluids on the track because of a smoking engine ??????? Considering there were other cars with smoking engines during the race and cautions were not thrown, until of course, the situation was created to create excitement. And "yws", Mopar has it right, the races are getting boring, and that is why NASCAR is tweeking the g/w/c, being more inventive when it comes to cautions and trying to make the sport interesting and appealing, unfortunately, using artificial methods to try to accomplish these goals.


No conspiracy theory re: g/w/c when it comes to prefered teams or drivers.
An outcry from enraged spectators ( they are not nor were they fans ) demanded the g/w/c policy for the wrong reasons while NASCAR instituted it for the right reason, safety.
The original idea was to have a safe finish rather than racing through debris the last one or two laps and this policy is now being abused by NASCAR. For what purpose ??? To provide instant gratification to the observers who would never try to understand the intricacies of watching a five hundred mile or lap race with one car on the lead lap. Some people just do not, nor will they ever, get it. When this comes about, those "rabid fans" as they might think of themselves, will leave as quickly as thye entered the scene.

Now, who is David Pearson ??? Only the best driver to ever strap himself into a racecar and compete in NASCAR. Bar none !!!!!!!!!
 
Hey, Kyle and Tony tried to make it exciting...
Schrader and company did talk about how you could catch someone and then have trouble passing. That this track is not as bad some other because you do have multiple grooves. But, as we saw even when you were passing sometimes the car would get squirrelly. Also, with the rules in play there is not a lot of difference between the cars on the track so you're not going to get someone able to blow by someone else. They also talked about not expecting this to be like Dega were you have 14 rows or 3 cars.
 
Multiple grooves on a "flat" cookie cutter track do NOT make a race a good one.
Altho I may not be all that fond with the G/W/C, it works!
Perhaps if there had been a G/W/C at Daytona years ago, the Intimidator would still be around.
 
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