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Good short track racing. Good beatin' and bangin'.
Lots of drivers that shouldn't be in Cup out there.
Brent Sherman, get out of the way. Stanton Barrett, get out of the way.
Martin Truex, finally, welcome to Cup. Mikey, you're done, go home.

Oh yeah, I'll give it an 8.
 
This is what people want from this track. Kat, sounds like sour grapes because of your beloved Jeffy. ;)

I'll give the race a hearty 9+. Not sure how it could have gotten better but...
 
8

but where was the yellow flag for jeff's spin? he blocked the flipp'n track. I agree theres a couple drivers that dont need to be there. Stanton's only problem is, now that he broke out of the field filler rank (he's actually finished a few races on the lead lap), he needs to make more money and figure out how to stay within the top 2 laps consistently. His spin (not of his making) didn't help.
 
buckaroo said:
This is what people want from this track. Kat, sounds like sour grapes because of your beloved Jeffy. ;)

I'll give the race a hearty 9+. Not sure how it could have gotten better but...
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No my friend, but that incident did tick me off a bit (but that's racin).

I will say that I sure hope to see a 10 at Martinsville no matter who wins!
 
I thought this was one of the better Bristol races, a rarity in my book.

Disappointments ??? Many !!! Did I hear someone say Brent Sherman now holds the record for being involved in the most accidents in one race ??? Maybe not but it sure seems like he made the day a lot longer.

Jeff Gordon ran one heckuva race and in the end, screwed himself. Jeff should be penalized a minimum twenty-five driver and twenty-five owner points points for his action after the checkered flag. Any discussion with Mat Kenseth should have taken place behind the hauler.

Tony Stewart did a good thing taking Truax out of the picture. Truex was waaaaaaay out of line and like one wise poster mentioned, welcome to the NEXTEL NASCAR series, Martin.

Kurt Busch won and deserved the win. Congratulations to Kurt Busch for his win and to Kevin Harvick for his second place finish.

Rate the race, an eight point five.
 
Its one thing to push a man in anger, but another thing entirely to push a man while you're wearing a helmet.

I give it a 9 for excitement...but I give it a 2 for the screwjob they laid down on Robby.
 
Great post whizzer, I give it 9. Good job Kurt, way to show all here that said you would not jell with your new team.
 
Whizzer said:
Jeff Gordon ran one heckuva race and in the end, screwed himself. Jeff should be penalized a minimum twenty-five driver and twenty-five owner points points for his action after the checkered flag. Any discussion with Mat Kenseth should have taken place behind the hauler.
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Wait a second now. And this is not coming from a JG fan. Kenseth walked towards Jeff's car as he was getting out with his helmet on. Nothing unusual about that. He was upset. Nothing unusual about that. Jeff did not approach Matt. Matt did. Maybe to apologize. Good for him. But Gordon was still upset. So he pushed Matt with his hands open. Big deal. Should not have done it, but he did. In the interview he did not trash Matt. He actually said that he liked racing with him. But he was upset. What's so terrible about that?
 
bumpzter said:
Wait a second now. And this is not coming from a JG fan. Kenseth walked towards Jeff's car as he was getting out with his helmet on. Nothing unusual about that. He was upset. Nothing unusual about that. Jeff did not approach Matt. Matt did. Maybe to apologize. Good for him. But Gordon was still upset. So he pushed Matt with his hands open. Big deal. Should not have done it, but he did. In the interview he did not trash Matt. He actually said that he liked racing with him. But he was upset. What's so terrible about that?
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Here's what was wrong. Jeff laid his hands on Matt Kenseth. Previous situations of this type have resulted in point reductions for drivers and team owners or monetary fines.
My point, the only way NASCAR can create a semblance of equality is to enforce the rules the same for everybody.

Whether Jeff Gordon was right or wrong, he shoved Matt Kenseth. Period. Previous "offenses" by others have resulted in penalties.

On the topic of Jeff Gordon wearing his hemet during the confrontation,
and considering the circumstances, what Jeff Gordon did by shoving Matt Kenseth was totally out of character and a extremely abnormal reaction for him.
Had Gordon been hesitant after exiting the car, rather than jumping out of the car and going directly to Kenseth, who was walking toward him, it would have been different. For all Gordon knew, Kenseth might have had something other than an apology on his mind.
 
Whizzer,

I won't argue with the consistency point of view. However, I understand how JG behaved out of character. Obviously still hot. That discussion should have happened 15 minutes later and Kenseth was not wise in his timing.

Better question is why the yellow didn't fly after JG got turned?

JG's interview was extremely articulate and I appreciated the explanation of the Truex incident.

Aggiewes
 
Jeff Gordon has a temper, who knew!! :) I was in complete shock, and from the look at Kenseth's face, so was he! I was never a JG fan: I cheer when he wrecks, and I cringe when he wins. But, after that incident, I actually find myself liking him a little bit. Not such a momma's boy after all.

I'd like to see a montage of all the bump-n-wins that have taken place at Bristol over the years.

Rating: 7 (I zoned out between laps 150 and 300)
 
I will give the race a 6.5 Just can't go any higher.

Everyone complains about the drivers being PC. Then Jeff shows some passion in the heat of the moment and everyone complains about him, WTH.

IMHO DJ should have let the leaders race instead of blocking them. You can bet your bottom dollar that Harvick would have bumped Busch out of the way if he had a little more car to get to him.

Truex was acting like a "little leaguer" and was welcomed to the "big leagues":)
 
Whizzer said:
Here's what was wrong. Jeff laid his hands on Matt Kenseth.
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You're right. It was wrong. In this PC world, anyway. (It used to be so funny when Elaine did that to her Seinfeld friends).

In an earlier post you said "Any discussion with Mat Kenseth should have taken place behind the hauler."

Who started it at that particular time? Not Jeff. It was Matt who approached him. Now if he had waited for Jeff to cool down...................who knows how it would have turned out.
 
bumpzter said:
You're right. It was wrong. In this PC world, anyway.
In an earlier post you said "Any discussion with Mat Kenseth should have taken place behind the hauler." Who started it at that particular time? Not Jeff. It was Matt who approached him. Now if he had waited for Jeff to cool down...................who knows how it would have turned out.
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Things do get sucked up in this world of political correctness. In days gone by, this would have been settled behind the hauler, reminescient of a scenario that took place between Ricky Rudd and Sterling Marlin at Bristol twenty or so years ago. :)

But times have changed and supposedly, "civilized people" do not resort to fisticuffs, according to NASCAR. The "po;itically correct" way is to lie like hell or stab someone in the back.

My guess is had there been a cooling off period, Jeff would have met Matt and they would have discussed the incident over dinner.
The action by BOTH involved was totally out of character. For Kenseth to hit Gordon so hard to spin him and moreso out of character for Gordon to respond with such anger.
 
I say Jeff was smart by leaving his helmet on. I know if someone wrecks me, or i wreck someone else, i know to stay in the car with the window net up, and if i get out i leave my helmet on.

I just seen the 1st 125 or so laps and the last 10, so i really cant give it a rating.
 
Its about time Jeffy did something, too many guys have taken him out in the past and he has done nothing. Kenseth did the same thing last year at Bristol to the same guy.........people tend to get selective memories on these things. On the other hand when JG taps somebody he rarely takes them out of the race. Whatever the penalty is it will be worth it.
 
Also, how many laps does a rookie have to be down until he gets a clue?
 
02Pace said:
Its about time Jeffy did something, too many guys have taken him out in the past and he has done nothing. Kenseth did the same thing last year at Bristol to the same guy.........people tend to get selective memories on these things. On the other hand when JG taps somebody he rarely takes them out of the race. Whatever the penalty is it will be worth it.
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So, What you are saying is Jeff can't hang onto the car like everyone else..... :eek:
 
Bucky Badger said:
So, What you are saying is Jeff can't hang onto the car like everyone else..... :eek:
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?????? 4X Champ can't hold onto the car????? Rethink that please.
 
Previous situations of this type have resulted in point reductions for drivers and team owners or monetary fines.
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Interestingly on Inside Nextel Cup all 4, DeSpain, Vickers, Schrader and Mikey said there should be no points reduction. Schrader explained that the rules only talked about a punch and no mention was made of a shove. That they may have to rewrite the rules to include any physical contact between drivers but that the current rules don't cover this situation.
And, it definitely was not detrimental to SCR. With the coverage it got everywhere more people will be tuning in to see if there are follow up developments.
Also, Schrader said this was a very boring race. That it was great entertainment and the drivers liked to race there but in that there was no side by side racing it wasn't a good race. Mikey and Brian agreed. Schrader is looking forward to racing at Martinsville.
He may be on to something. Since the track has to be repaved anyway is there anything they could do to have 2 grooves to make the racing better? Or, would that hurt the entertainment value?
 
frankly i think jeff should have kicked matts butt.....
however what goes around comes around. jeff has been doin this for years and it finally caught up to him
 
Whizzer,

Did #20 get points taken away when he spun JG on pit road at Bristol several years ago? This wasn't after a bump N run. This was after JG got under TS and Stewart spun.

Don't think so. I don't think it's going to happen.
 
I thought it was a great race. I give it a 9. It could have been a ten if Harvick got to the back of Bush.


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Also, Schrader said this was a very boring race. That it was great entertainment and the drivers liked to race there but in that there was no side by side racing it wasn't a good race. Mikey and Brian agreed. Schrader is looking forward to racing at Martinsville.
He may be on to something. Since the track has to be repaved anyway is there anything they could do to have 2 grooves to make the racing better? Or, would that hurt the entertainment value?


That is interesting. These are the same boneheads that proclaimed California to have been an exciting race :confused: When they repave it, they could go with compound banking or they could add some banking on the straights. That could help make a second groove.




I don't care if Jeffrey gets fined or not. I actually gained a little more respect for him. It is pretty rediculous to think about. Guys are running into the back of racers on purpose, sometimes causing wrecks and hunderds of thousand dollars worth of damaage to equipment and nobody bats an eye, but let someone give a little shove after the race and see all the pc police come running. I wonder how folks would have reacted if the situation had been reversed.
 
Bucky Badger said:
So, What you are saying is Jeff can't hang onto the car like everyone else..... :eek:
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I guess not, he will probably be lookin for a sponser soon.
 
de7xwcc said:
frankly i think jeff should have kicked matts butt.....
however what goes around comes around. jeff has been doin this for years and it finally caught up to him
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Finally? How about all last year. Kenseth a Bristol last year I think. How about the Glen with Biffle, Jr., and Harvick? The year before with Stewart. Stewart at Dover? Rusty at Richmond (retaliation for Bristol). Name a driver that has been punted more than that guy which ended up costing big points?

I am into facts not revisionist history.
 
Someone correct me if Im wrong but wasnt it Gordon that not long before the Matt deal start a big pile up by bumping somone? I know because it almost took out Kasey in the process and thought it was Gordon that caused it?
 
Maybe you're referring to when Stewart spun Truex for messing with Jeff.
 
Brickyard_400 said:
Someone correct me if Im wrong but wasnt it Gordon that not long before the Matt deal start a big pile up by bumping somone? I know because it almost took out Kasey in the process and thought it was Gordon that caused it?
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That would be Truex checking up in front of J.Gordon and getting spun. OR When Truex was messing with J.Gordon after he was spun and Stewart spun him out.
 
Thats it when Truex checked up in front of J.Gordon and getting spun causeing a big accident. I couldnt tell at the time I though gordon was just getting impatient.
 
Brickyard_400 said:
Thats it when Truex checked up in front of J.Gordon and getting spun causeing a big accident. I couldnt tell at the time I though gordon was just getting impatient.
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Yea, he was impatient...
 
Bucky Badger said:
So, What you are saying is Jeff can't hang onto the car like everyone else..... :eek:
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It was more interesting to watch the replay, several times. One thing, JGordon never touched Kenseth to make the pass. So why the retaliation ??

Taking note of the location on track where Matt bumped Gordon, mid-turn versus exiting the turn, where Busch booted Kenseth up the hill.
A lot harder to try to save a "bumped car" little more than half-way through the turn than at the exit.

Most likely Kenseth was taking out his frustrations on Gordon because of Busch's hit and run. Matt did not have the fastest car at the end and was trying to salvage what he could at that point.
 
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