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In the matter of Ray And Erin
Greg Engle

HOMESTEAD FL. --If NASCAR were Hollywood it wouldn't be all that big of a deal.

But despite what some might think, NASCAR isn't Hollywood and a `close personal relationship' between a 49-year-old man and his 25-year-old employee should be raising more than a few eyebrows.

Yet it isn't, and that's just wrong.

Erin Crocker joined Evernham Motorsports in 2005 as part of NASCAR `Drive for Diversity' program. The Wilbraham Massachusetts native had cut her teeth in the open-wheel ranks and gained notoriety when she won a race in the tough as nails World of Outlaws Series. In 2006, she was given the seat in the No. 98 NASCAR Craftsman Truck.

Then in the spring the whispers began. Ray Evernham and Erin were in a `close personal relationship'. Supervisor and employee, driver and team owner. Not unheard of in today's workplace. By the summer the whispers had become common, but publicly unspoken, knowledge.

When the summer heated up, so did the talk. In July, long time Evernham Cup driver, Jeremy Mayfield accused his boss of spending too much time with a certain `development driver'. Evernham flew to Chicago, where Mayfield's tirade took place and defended his actions.

Then in August, Evernham fired Mayfield for his lack of performance in the No. 19 Dodge. Mayfield immediately filed a motion in court, and for the first time Evernham was publicly indicted. In the court papers, Mayfield wrote that the lack of performance and his ultimate demise was directly due to a `close personal relationship with a female employee'.

Not long after the Mayfield court action was filed the two settled out of court. Mayfield signed with Bill Davis Racing and Evernham hired Elliot Sadler to take over the car once raced by Mayfield.

And not much more was said about the Evernham/Crocker relationship. In a masterful job of public relations, the details were swept under a rug in Statesville North Carolina, home of Evernham Motorsports.

I don't want to touch on the morality of the affair. If Evernham wants to have a `close personal' relationship with his driver, despite the age difference and the fact that Evernham is still legally married, then so be it. Both of them are adults and perfectly capable of making their own decisions.

I figure God will deal with that when the time comes.

My issue with the entire topic is with Erin.

From the time that Erin came on the scene, I felt that she was a hell of a racecar driver. And to this day I still believe that. Unfortunately her on track performance has been nothing short of terrible. In 22 truck races since November of 2005 her best finish was a 16th. In the handful of Busch races she has competed in, 8 in all, her best showing was a 19th. And in my mind, at least, she's much, much better than that.

The problem it seems that perhaps Cupid has gotten in the way.

In the high-pressure fast paced world of NASCAR, performance is everything. Lose your edge lose your ride. Team owners and sponsors alike demand the most bang for their buck. And when that bang becomes a dull thud, everyone normally just goes their separate ways. For drivers this can sometimes be the cure for what ails them. Because it's all about the chemistry with a driver and a team. If it's lacking sometimes all it takes is a change of scenery.

For a perfect example of this, one needs look no further than Evernham Motorsports. Since joining Evernham as a replacement for Mayfield, Elliott Sadler has helped lead that team to its best finishes in quite a while.

Which begs the question: has the relationship between Evernham and Crocker clouded Evernham's judgment?

Would Crocker's performance improve if she were with another team? One where that certain chemistry is better? Or should she simply languish and continue to endure miserable finishes, until she simply fades away. Branded as an untalented has-been, regardless of whether or not it's true.

Does the name Shawna Robinson ring a bell?

It's time to lift up the rug in Statesville and expose the secrets there. Then Ray Evernham needs to allow Crocker find the chemistry that could expose her true talent, even if that's with another team, and allow her to live up to her full potential.

And then if her performance doesn't improve or live up to what I think she has the potential for, then you can wag your finger in my face and say `I told you so'.

But I don't think you will. I feel that given the right opportunity the young driver from Wilbraham Massachusetts could make her mark in NASCAR.

Evernham owes it to himself, his sponsors and Erin herself to find out.

From Nascar Momma
 
And, before some perv says Ray has allowed her to expose her true talent...


I figured I'd beat you to it... ;)
 
Some excellent points in the article.

Mayfield had no arguement because Kahne was running well. If both were running bad, then he would have said something.
 
At the risk of sounding somewhat crude, what does the fact that he's banging her have to with how well she drives?

It's not like she's pulling into the pits for a "quickie" :)
 
Some excellent points in the article.

Mayfield had no arguement because Kahne was running well. If both were running bad, then he would have said something.

Scott Riggs has done well at select races too. And ALL OF A SUDDEN the 19 car's been doping well. They put Elliot Sadler in that car and all of a sudden he's doing well performance-wise running up in the top 10 and what not.

Maybe the problem was driver :idunno:
 
Scott Riggs has done well at select races too. And ALL OF A SUDDEN the 19 car's been doping well. They put Elliot Sadler in that car and all of a sudden he's doing well performance-wise running up in the top 10 and what not.

Maybe the problem was driver :idunno:
And new crew chief.
 
Regardless of what they may, or may not, be 'doing' ---- the constant scrutiny is not good for Erin's career. Even if she is a good driver, the consensus would be that she got to where she is because of a different set of 'skills'.

And Ray, being a married man, gives the 'wholesome, family-oriented' NASCAR a bit of a bruise.

Call me old fashioned if you wish. Personally, I don't believe in having an affair if you are married. I believe in the marriage vows.
 
Regardless of what they may, or may not, be 'doing' ---- the constant scrutiny is not good for Erin's career. Even if she is a good driver, the consensus would be that she got to where she is because of a different set of 'skills'.

And Ray, being a married man, gives the 'wholesome, family-oriented' NASCAR a bit of a bruise.

Call me old fashioned if you wish. Personally, I don't believe in having an affair if you are married. I believe in the marriage vows.


well put TexasRaceLady.

now i'll side with jeremy on this one, not all its his fault, not only did ray not put much attention to the 19 team as he should've done when jeremy was driving it but he basically gave him average equipment to work with.

its like he wanted to get rid of jeremy for a long time.
 
Well it gives us something to talk about

doesn't it? What business is it of ours who is doing who?
Sex between members of the opposite sex is a normal thing. If they have chosen to do it together...so?
Nascar mamma seems to think GOD will get em. Which god is it that gives a care about who is doing who?
Great gossip though isn't it?
Betsy:rolleyes:
 
doesn't it? What business is it of ours who is doing who?
Sex between members of the opposite sex is a normal thing. If they have chosen to do it together...so?
Nascar mamma seems to think GOD will get em. Which god is it that gives a care about who is doing who?
Great gossip though isn't it?
Betsy:rolleyes:



EERRRR isn'tRay still married? enough said.
 
The last I heard Ray and his wife are separated. The best thing he can do now is get divorced and marry Erin (if that's what they want). People do stupid things when they are in love and I guess Ray isn't any different <g> I don't really know that much about Erin.

Driving for someone else is a valid point IMO. Working and living (not saying they are living together) with the same person often doesn't work out the best. If I were Erin I would be considering this.

As for Nascar momma, she should mind her own damn business. People do love gossip though and Ray and Erin hopefully are prepared for the consequences.
 
Uh, she didn't write the article, and this is NOT the first time the subject has been written about.
I, like TRL believe in the sanctity of marriage and the vows. I just think less of Ray, even if he is separated.
 
Well if he

is not living with his wife...He is bound to be doing somebody...why not a cute young chick? Would you be more in favor of it being one of the other drivers?
His vows were prolly over before he met this chick. At least she and he share racing and have much besides doing it to talk about. Perhaps he has much more in common with the chick than his wife?
Betsy :rolleyes:
 
I'm not going to sit here and side with Betsy on this, but I will say that she has a lot of good points. You can say all you want about the sanctity of the vows of marriage, but times are different now than they were even 20 years ago. When TRL and I were in high school, there was something we called "shotgun wedings". If you don't know what that is, ask someone who is over the age of 40...no wait, make that 50 and they will certainly know. Anyway, Ray and Erin's relationship, even though it's no one's business but theirs, will have an affect on both of them, even separately. When your mind is in a state of "new love", you certainly aren't at your best in anything other than the wooing department. That will take some time before that subsides, even if they marry. So in some ways, Jeremy has a good point. Also, again not siding with Jeremy so much here, but he did qualify for the Chase the last two years...but it was with the team that Kahne is now driving. Remember they changed everything between the two teams and the only thing that remained the same was the number. But now we have to look at the the state of mind of Jeremy. Once he believed that he wasn't getting all the attention he required, his performance went down hill. It could have been that he just didn't give a damn, or maybe something else. For whatever reason, he just didn't have the same results that he had been getting before the tradeoff and Ray's extramarital affairs.

I think the article has merit, but in a truely different sort of way. While many if not most will stress the sexual part of the story, the real story is what the possiblity of a sexual story had on the team.
 
...why not a cute young chick?
:idunno:
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Regardless of what they may, or may not, be 'doing' ---- the constant scrutiny is not good for Erin's career. Even if she is a good driver, the consensus would be that she got to where she is because of a different set of 'skills'.

And Ray, being a married man, gives the 'wholesome, family-oriented' NASCAR a bit of a bruise.

Call me old fashioned if you wish. Personally, I don't believe in having an affair if you are married. I believe in the marriage vows.

i dont think Jeremy has any room to talk here....he did the same kind of thing with his first wife.

and i would be willing to bet that a decent amount of those drivers...have cheated on their wives.
 
i dont think Jeremy has any room to talk here....he did the same kind of thing with his first wife.

and i would be willing to bet that a decent amount of those drivers...have cheated on their wives.

Drivers??? What about cooks? Truckers? Office workers? window washers? Marines? Why "those drivers" would be singled out?
Betsy:rolleyes:
 
That's because Jeremy Mayfield, a driver, is the one that brought this situation to the public. And this same driver was doing the same thing a number of years ago. He cast the first stone.

Whatever Evernham and Croker do is their business and anyone else they might as well be involved with at the time. My problem with their cozy little romance is Evernham is her boss. Under no circumstances should a boss be involved with an employee. It's leads to too many problems. Ask Mayfield.
 
That's because Jeremy Mayfield, a driver, is the one that brought this situation to the public. And this same driver was doing the same thing a number of years ago. He cast the first stone.
That's not the case at all. It was a well known fact long before. It was brought in the legal case that he was neglecting the team because of this relationship.

Mayfield did the same a number of years ago? Neglect his team? :eek:
 
Mayfield did the same a number of years ago? Neglect his team?

Nah, he wasn't neglecting his team...he was just parking his boys somewhere else...
 
That's not the case at all. It was a well known fact long before. It was brought in the legal case that he was neglecting the team because of this relationship.

It was common knowledge before Mayfield brought it up. But I don't recall anyone doing and stories on it until Mayfield used that as the excuse for his team's poor performance.
 
It was common knowledge before Mayfield brought it up. But I don't recall anyone doing and stories on it until Mayfield used that as the excuse for his team's poor performance.
I suppose when you go to court you, or more likely your lawyer, will try to use every thing there is. And why not? That's how our system works.
 
True. It's funny it was settled out of court right after Sadler took over and started running good in the car.
 
Actually, it was settled when the media made it a big deal, even before Sadler ran the first race.

And this is my final answer. :D
 
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