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Well there ya go Whizzer 
I got no problem with really really pretty drivers (or anyone in any endevor) getting the nod. I live in Vegas where the some of the prettiest people in the world hang out and it's easy to see that the prettier a person is, the closer they are to the money.
I recall a psych class question for the day about what do people look for in a mate. While most all the class zoomed in on the PC answers, I came right out with what for me is the truth....."Mall Hair Barbie with Hooters and a Corvette"
I want really really pretty. It's like night racing. Don't all the cars sure look swell under the lights?
As I said earlier, in today's NASCAR a driver must at least be one or the other. Sponsors want representitives. And while pretty may get a person in the door, without talent they will soon find themselves at the back of the pack.
As for Kim.....she made her mark driving an old 71Car from MAR. And really really pretty she is without a doubt. But stop for a minute and look at what else she brings to the table including the guts and marketing savvy to put Boudreaux's Butt Paste on the side of her car. Talk about turning heads. I can only imagine how much fun her students are having with this
Anyways, it's the real world out there and pretty people get the breaks. Racecar driving is no different. You think Steve Park has such a large female following cause he's ugly? Jeff Gordon? Tony Stewart? Junior? Does Jimmy Johnson have the straightest dang teeth in the garage or not? Boris sure don't and look at how he whoops up on th Cuppers but can't secure a full time ride.
Pretty sells and the ogre lives inder the bridge.
I got no problem with really really pretty drivers (or anyone in any endevor) getting the nod. I live in Vegas where the some of the prettiest people in the world hang out and it's easy to see that the prettier a person is, the closer they are to the money.
I recall a psych class question for the day about what do people look for in a mate. While most all the class zoomed in on the PC answers, I came right out with what for me is the truth....."Mall Hair Barbie with Hooters and a Corvette"
I want really really pretty. It's like night racing. Don't all the cars sure look swell under the lights?
As I said earlier, in today's NASCAR a driver must at least be one or the other. Sponsors want representitives. And while pretty may get a person in the door, without talent they will soon find themselves at the back of the pack.
As for Kim.....she made her mark driving an old 71Car from MAR. And really really pretty she is without a doubt. But stop for a minute and look at what else she brings to the table including the guts and marketing savvy to put Boudreaux's Butt Paste on the side of her car. Talk about turning heads. I can only imagine how much fun her students are having with this
Anyways, it's the real world out there and pretty people get the breaks. Racecar driving is no different. You think Steve Park has such a large female following cause he's ugly? Jeff Gordon? Tony Stewart? Junior? Does Jimmy Johnson have the straightest dang teeth in the garage or not? Boris sure don't and look at how he whoops up on th Cuppers but can't secure a full time ride.
Pretty sells and the ogre lives inder the bridge.
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Larry Foyt............... Looks, "No" talent
B. Labonte.............. Looks and talent
B. Labonte.............. Looks and talent
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Marybeth Harrison, looks and talent. However, no sponsor.
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Jimmie Johnson----all I am going to say.
Greg Biffle----the anti-Johnson.Also all I am going to say.
Greg Biffle----the anti-Johnson.Also all I am going to say.
No, that's not all you're going to say. You need to 'splain yourself!!!!!
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No, that's not all you're going to say. You need to 'splain yourself!!!!!
[/b][/quote]Jimmie Johnson is a pretty boy and Greg Biffle isn't.
Jimmie Johnson is a pretty boy and Greg Biffle isn't. [/b][/quote]Originally posted by bowtie+Oct 17 2003, 03:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bowtie @ Oct 17 2003, 03:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
No, that's not all you're going to say. You need to 'splain yourself!!!!!
That much is evident and I am very aware of. It's that he didn't say anything else about the two. He still needs to 'splain himself!
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I don't think it hurts to have above average looks. No matter how much a really ugly guy wins no one is going to want his face on their commercials. Facts is Facts. Jeff Gordon has a classic, clean look that advertisers are looking for and he is a 4-time champ. He is an advertisers dream.
Conversely(sp?) if Jeff had the same looks and didn't win, or had Biffle's face on Jimmy Spencer's body and won a ton, no one outside of NASCAR would have a clue as to who he is.
Sorry for the visual there
Conversely(sp?) if Jeff had the same looks and didn't win, or had Biffle's face on Jimmy Spencer's body and won a ton, no one outside of NASCAR would have a clue as to who he is.
Sorry for the visual there
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OMG and I just ate supper!!!!! What a picture. LOL
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Many of the drivers on the circuit today came onto the scene before the sponsors were looking for the combination of marketing, personality and appearance as thier primary reason for being involved in this series.
The first driver right out of the starting gate to be both marketable to the general public and race fans, plus have ability is Jeff Gordon.
Others have come along and the judging is based on how cute a guys butt is or how acceptable the facial features are. Personality enters into the fray somewhere here.
There are some who must survive on talent alone, and in order to do this must be exceptionally good at what they do. We must each judge this ourselves since I am the last person to say anyone is "appearance challenged".
Each fan must draw thier own conclusion as to who is good looking, marketable and talented. A Dale Earnhardt, Jr. is said to be an average talent by his detractors, but this does not over come the fact he is a sponsors delight and highly sought after personality. His fans think the opposite.
No matter individual thoughts on Junior, he is the epitome of what NASCAR and the sponsors are seeking in a driver.
What is happening and has happened with the male population in the garage is nothing compared to what people will see if a three-dimentional female enters the series. As an instant fan base, the men will line up like dogs chasing a bitch in heat and the women will support her for having knocked down one more illusional barrier.
The first driver right out of the starting gate to be both marketable to the general public and race fans, plus have ability is Jeff Gordon.
Others have come along and the judging is based on how cute a guys butt is or how acceptable the facial features are. Personality enters into the fray somewhere here.
There are some who must survive on talent alone, and in order to do this must be exceptionally good at what they do. We must each judge this ourselves since I am the last person to say anyone is "appearance challenged".
Each fan must draw thier own conclusion as to who is good looking, marketable and talented. A Dale Earnhardt, Jr. is said to be an average talent by his detractors, but this does not over come the fact he is a sponsors delight and highly sought after personality. His fans think the opposite.
No matter individual thoughts on Junior, he is the epitome of what NASCAR and the sponsors are seeking in a driver.
What is happening and has happened with the male population in the garage is nothing compared to what people will see if a three-dimentional female enters the series. As an instant fan base, the men will line up like dogs chasing a bitch in heat and the women will support her for having knocked down one more illusional barrier.
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Ahh. Yeah,I guess you have a point or two Whiz.
Now it could be argued a bit that Tim Richmond was the pre-Jeff Gordon image boy,of course. Or
even DW or ,reaching even farther back,Freddy Lorenzen---all 'good looking' guys with a lot of talent.All in all though,I agree with your choice of Gordon as being the modern day matinee-idol type driver.
Only problem I see with this new 'looks sensitive' NASCAR is that in order to spotlight the 'pretty ones' are some of the more talented guys being overlooked?In example;should Dale Jr. get more spotlight time than say Kurt Busch or Greg Biffle? Maybe not,but certainly seems to be the case. Just symbolic of society really though.
And a real three-d female entering the ranks? I don't think it will be quite the way you might think. After all,certainly an endless source of attractive females out here in society anyway. Shawna was at least arguably good looking and hardly made a ripple. Possibly because of low performance? Or just not quite cute enough?Hard to say---but she didn't make much of an impact really.
Interesting to see though.
Now it could be argued a bit that Tim Richmond was the pre-Jeff Gordon image boy,of course. Or
even DW or ,reaching even farther back,Freddy Lorenzen---all 'good looking' guys with a lot of talent.All in all though,I agree with your choice of Gordon as being the modern day matinee-idol type driver.
Only problem I see with this new 'looks sensitive' NASCAR is that in order to spotlight the 'pretty ones' are some of the more talented guys being overlooked?In example;should Dale Jr. get more spotlight time than say Kurt Busch or Greg Biffle? Maybe not,but certainly seems to be the case. Just symbolic of society really though.
And a real three-d female entering the ranks? I don't think it will be quite the way you might think. After all,certainly an endless source of attractive females out here in society anyway. Shawna was at least arguably good looking and hardly made a ripple. Possibly because of low performance? Or just not quite cute enough?Hard to say---but she didn't make much of an impact really.
Interesting to see though.
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Well, Lyn St. James certainly had the 3-D all together and has had a huge impact on motorsports, and Powder Puff racing has taken on a new dimension with the advent of The Women's Global GT Series.
Seems to me that the big time money for drivers in America is still in NASCAR but if a lady has a better chance of being a factor in the (ahem) daintier LeMans type cars that the glam world of international racing might be the way to go.
The big bad ugly days are gone. Sponsors want poster boys and girls. Winning on occaision is certainly important but just running up front will do. Can always pay-off the media for better exposure. I would venture to guess that on any given Sunday, 10 percent of the TV time is given to the Bud car and there was a huge todo about mentioning only sponsor names that bought commercial time on one network earlier in the year.
Prime example of money talks is the in-car cam. Used to be the networks paid the teams and now it be the other way around. With upwards of 700 G's being put out by a sponsor on any given Sunday thru various promotional stuff, return on investment is all that matters.
Logo Time is everything. Logo time with a pretty face is ok too.
Seems to me that the big time money for drivers in America is still in NASCAR but if a lady has a better chance of being a factor in the (ahem) daintier LeMans type cars that the glam world of international racing might be the way to go.
The big bad ugly days are gone. Sponsors want poster boys and girls. Winning on occaision is certainly important but just running up front will do. Can always pay-off the media for better exposure. I would venture to guess that on any given Sunday, 10 percent of the TV time is given to the Bud car and there was a huge todo about mentioning only sponsor names that bought commercial time on one network earlier in the year.
Prime example of money talks is the in-car cam. Used to be the networks paid the teams and now it be the other way around. With upwards of 700 G's being put out by a sponsor on any given Sunday thru various promotional stuff, return on investment is all that matters.
Logo Time is everything. Logo time with a pretty face is ok too.
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Don't want to burst any bubble but women still have a hard time obtaining sponsorship. Sponsors still perceive it as a man's sport. I know, I know, there have been some women that have gotten minor sponsorship. The fact is there are a number of women in racing that could compete and become nationally known if a sponsor would jump aboard "big time" and give them a chance. Marybeth Harrison has the talent to run with the best including Boris Said and Scott Pruett in the Trans Am series if a sponsor was on-board permitting her to run in good equipment.
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No doubt in my mind at all Muggie.
Curious....guessing that's you in the suit....What ya run and where?
Curious....guessing that's you in the suit....What ya run and where?
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LOL, no that is our driver, Marybeth Harrison. We ran some in the Trans Am series but could not obtain sponsorship......so, no money...... no race. It is a shame because we sincerely believe that we could run in the top 5 with a sponsor on-board and Marybeth as driver. Our last race at Laguna Seca Marybeth started in 25th and finished in 13th position in a field of 34 cars. My son is the team owner and I am the (unpaid
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That's Marybeth? OOOOOOOHHHHHHH kay.
thanks
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