Restrictor plates or not?

Restrictor Plates or not

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I think NASCAR should experiment and take the RPs' off and go 220+ mph! It'd by golly attract a whole lotta more TV viewers and fans and i think it'd be good for the sport, what do you guys think?
 
I picked for the plates, 40 some cars at 220 mph would be exciting, But way to dangerous if you ask me. If the big one sends some cars going out of control and flipping I'd hate to imagine them going 220 mph :blink:
 
As long as there is no better way to slow the cars going into the high banked turns like Daytona and Talladega the restrictor plates are a must. I've got a fair amount of flight hours behind me..........I know basic aerodynamics on what is required for flight (I'm no expert to say the least). There is a fact in aerodynamics...........you can get a two by four to fly if you get enough lift on it. Lift is generated by air moving above and under the object.......more air creates more lift. Sooner or later that object will fly as long as that air has sufficient velocity to create that lift. It appears that a little more than 200 mph is that magic number for a 3400 lb stock car. As long as that stock car is going in a straight line and there are no side "loads" of the air the car will remain firmly planted on the ground. But entering a turn puts side loads of the air.......more air gets under the car (that's the whole idea behind the cars being so low the the ground). The car gets light and then you have the snow ball effect of getting more side ways. And it gets to a point where the car is really at the mercy of nature..........it could, at any instant start "flying". And it does that, not matter if the car is in a pack (though that would tend to aggrivate the problem) or all by itself. It will fly when the velocity of the air over and under the car reaches the critical point.

Only solution I know of besides plates is bulldozing the tracks down and reducing the banking (that will force drivers to slow) or putting smaller CID engines (read smaller engine) in the cars. Both those solutions are really ( I mean, really). Expensive. I see the tracks being dropped from the circuit before either of those solutions are implimented.

That's why I say, lets learn to live with the plates..............they ain't going away any time soon.
 
Yep, let's take them dern ole restrictor plates off the cars and watch em run over 220 mph.

And let's take the morons who feel that way and put them down in the first ten rows of the grandstands so they can experience first hand what happens when a 3400lb car comes up into that fence and disintegrates, spraying them with all sorts of parts, pieces, fuel, oil and fire.

Hey, those folks are such great fans, they'd probably think getting injured or killed while watching THEIR sport would be about the bestest thing that ever happened to them!
Yep, I just bet they would at that!
 
True boB, but imagine the ratings. NASCAR would want to start running the races during Sweeps week to increase their advertising rates... :blink:
 
Two of the three votes in favor of plates so far lodged by Junior fans. There's a shocker.


Take them off, ship them to me, and allow me to destroy every damn one of them. Give me five minutes in a locked room with whoever came up with the idea in the first place. Take the biggest advocate for the plates, that chickenspit Jaws, and banish him to the Island of Misfit Boys where he belongs. Just because RCR couldn't keep up with Bill Elliott is no reason to penalize the faster driver, not to mention decades of fans, by subjecting them to four episodes of rush hour traffic per year. And before anybody starts in, yes I clearly remember the horrifying images of Bobby Allison barrel rolling over the fencing. I also remember all the images that have come our way with plates. Ryan Newman, Elliott Sadler, Dale himself, dozens more.

Lose the pieces of crap and let the fastest car win.
 
I say allow the drivers to decide and then let the fans decide if they wish to watch.

I know I've heard many more drivers against, than for them.
 
I voted to take the plates off.But as other members have already mentioned,as long as there's no other safe alternative to plates while keeping safety a top priority then the plates should remain.
Of course if NASCAR would quit going to Daytona and Talladega then there would be 4 open dates that could be used for 2 more road course and 2 more short track events. ;) :D No more plate racing,WOO HOO. :cheers:
 
Originally posted by barelypure@Jul 6 2004, 09:59 AM
But, then where would DEI...

Oh, never mind. :wacko:
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What DEI cannot win at any other track except for resrictor Plates???
 
Originally posted by Jmac+Jul 6 2004, 02:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jmac @ Jul 6 2004, 02:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--barelypure@Jul 6 2004, 09:59 AM
But, then where would DEI...

Oh, never mind.&nbsp; :wacko:
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What DEI cannot win at any other track except for resrictor Plates??? [/b][/quote]
barelypure and EMP aren't worth it, its an arguement you cannot win.
 
We have beaten this topic to death on this forum for as long as i have been here, it seems to resurface every 3 or 4 months. The answer is less horsepower, which equates to less speed, thus no 220mph flying cars into catch fences. I read last week, forgot what web site, that Nascar was looking into 311ci engine, no more 355. Now IMO developing an engine that can produce oh say 500-600hp, some where in that range , is plenty. The HP they develop now is nice sure, but not needed, smaller lighter , more fuel efficient engines are the future. This won't happen over night that is for sure, if ever, who knows, but i sure would like to see it before Nascar implodes. I personally like Daytona and Talladega, i just don't like the plates as most you tend to agree. When the cars were able to pass , accelerate like the engines were intended to back in the 70s and 80s, it was much better racing. You didn't have the nerve wracking 3 wide , 20 deep packs that attract the "big One" like flys to sh_ _, you had genuine racing...the faster car winning ( most of the time). There wasn't the "well if i avoid the big one then i might have a chance to finish in the top 10" syndrome. To me Nascar has just prolonged the plate racing to benifit Nascar....Big Pack racing = excitement, especially for first time viewers or relatively new viewers of the sport. Develop an engine with less horsepower across the board, not a crate motor either, because that would just be like ASA, and i think Plates could go by the wayside. Just my 10 cents worth for the day.
 
Originally posted by EatMorePossum@Jul 6 2004, 07:10 AM
Just because RCR couldn't keep up with Bill Elliott is no reason to penalize the faster driver, not to mention decades of fans, by subjecting them to four episodes of rush hour traffic per year.
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sure is easy to go faster when you cut the body down the middle and narrow it some. ;)
 
Originally posted by Jmac@Jul 6 2004, 04:23 PM
Off subject I know, But good to see ya Wide :cheers:
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thanks.... still recovering from the 4th... I didn't know hangovers could last two days.... :flushed:
 
Originally posted by WideOpenPhoto+Jul 6 2004, 05:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (WideOpenPhoto @ Jul 6 2004, 05:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Jmac@Jul 6 2004, 04:23 PM
Off subject I know, But good to see ya Wide :cheers:
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thanks.... still recovering from the 4th... I didn't know hangovers could last two days.... :flushed: [/b][/quote]
We go through all of this to wish America Happy Birthday. :D :lol:
 
Originally posted by bowtie@Jul 6 2004, 04:07 PM

barelypure and EMP aren't worth it, its an arguement you cannot win.
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I'm hurt...deeply hurt. You wound me sir. :D

You are correct though. Numbers don't lie.
 
^^^ bump
it sure would attract a bunch of more TV viewers, but i think the drivers should decide like someone said,
 
Don't ya think the speeds would be even faster in the draft and also if they tweaked on the aero package some?

I'm kinda torn between the two. But I think it all comes down to safety though.
 
Originally posted by boB@Jul 6 2004, 05:07 AM
Yep, let's take them dern ole restrictor plates off the cars and watch em run over 220 mph.

And let's take the morons who feel that way and put them down in the first ten rows of the grandstands so they can experience first hand what happens when a 3400lb car comes up into that fence and disintegrates, spraying them with all sorts of parts, pieces, fuel, oil and fire.

Hey, those folks are such great fans, they'd probably think getting injured or killed while watching THEIR sport would be about the bestest thing that ever happened to them!
Yep, I just bet they would at that!
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I agree. It would be cool to see them go that fast, but it would be really dangerous...
 
nascar is going more for show ... so it would be a good idea
 
I say the drivers have no vote on this. The rule was not put in for the drivers safety. The rule was put in for spectator safety. Bobby Allison nearly flew into the grand stands in 1986. He wadded up his car pretty badly.........didn't do such a bad job of wadding up himself either. Had he been just a couple feet higher when he hit the catch fence he would have killed who knows how many fans. That's why we have restrictor plates........not for a conspiracy, not for the drivers, not for 'showmanship', not for NASCAR's enjoyment. It was, and still is, for fan safety. Kick, whine, scream, cry, complain, accuse or any other childish tempter tantrum you might choose to indulge in and it still don't change the fact that plates are here for the foreseeable future. When some way comes along that is economically feasible and gets the job done they will go away. We have this very same discussion at least 4 times a season.........and it's always the fans want them to go away, the drivers want them to go away. But no one has an answer on how to make them go away.........if you do, you are an instant billionaire and I would suggest you take the next flight to NASCAR headquarters and get a contract signed.

But since I don't have the answer guess I'll suffer through Daytona and Talladega..........I'll find a way to enjoy watching cars go around the big, high banked tracks in packs.
 
Something which those who would take the plates away are overlooking is that with the current aerodynamic package along with the tires and suspension in use today, I would think the drivers would still be running around at Daytona and Talladega with their right foot on the floor. If not immediately, in a very short time.
Today's cars are close enough in horsepower and speed that we'd still see pretty much the same type of pack racing which we get with the plates.
Only those packs would be running that much faster and flying that much higher and further.
When you're running wide open, you don't have any more throttle response, no matter what those drivers are trying to tell you. It simply doesn't work that way. If you lift, you're going to go to the back of the pack, same as now.

How many fans got killed at Charlotte and Michigan when a 1500 lb IRL car got into the stands?
How many do you suppose a 3400 lb car could kill when (and it would be when and not if) it went through or over the fence and into the crowd?

But it sure would be exciting to see all those people wiped out at the same time, wouldn't it? Just like on MTV or one of those video games, except it would be real people getting killed and injured!

WOW!!
Think of what that would do for the TV ratings.

We could even have a pool for the races at those tracks to see who is going into the stands, what row the biggest pieces land in and how many fans will get wiped out or injured.

Think of how exciting that would be!
 
take 'em off...instead of having teams spend all that money on wind tunnels and special plate engines, do something totally different.

1. have the teams show up with their cars a day early, but with no sheet metal in front of the front tires. instead, contract with a few racecar body manufactures to produce fiberglass (or sheetmetal, whatever) front ends that conform to production car specifications. issue the nose pieces by random draw, just like they do with restrictor plates.

2. absolutely no tape on the grills.

3. no rear spoiler.

4. use a stock production engine block. they can use their own headers, carburator, pistons, cams, etc., but the engine block would have to be manufactured by the auto maker for use in a production car (or truck).

5. unleaded, 87 octane gasoline.

reduced horsepower, reduced aerodynamics, reduced downforce...it might not be as exciting as an artificially bunched up field or suicidal 235+ mph non-plate racing, but it would be a truer representation of driver talent and team skill.

(yes...i believe they'd be well over 235, probably 240 mph...rusty did 227 (i think it was) without fine tuning the car, getting used to the speed, or the benefit of having a draft. put some testing into going that speed, develope an engine for a constant 9000+ rpm, and have a car in front of you creating a hole in the air, and there would be speeds in excess of 240, at least while there is some room between the drafter and draftee.
 
oh yeah...and just removing the plates and letting them go 230-240 could work...but there would have to be a second generation safer barrier all the way around the track, the fence that's in place right now would have to be removed, and the first 20 rows of stands would have to be removed and replaced with a huge safer barrier, with a fence above that.

...perhaps more would have to be done...

doing anything less would make the stuff that happened at the old roman coluseum look tame.
 
Reserve the lower seats for the boneheads that think it's ok to throw coolers at people.
 
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