Restrictor plates...

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jgordonkkhane

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...should they stay or should they go?

Personally, I think they should go. They cause more problems and accidents. I am curious as to what the rest of you think.
 
ok lets have them go and then more people will get killed, as long as its more fun to watch!
no they need to keep them, i dont think they will ever take them away.
do you know how many drivers would have died with out the restrictor plates? lots i bet
 
Smoke1TS20 said:
ok lets have them go and then more people will get killed, as long as its more fun to watch!
no they need to keep them, i dont think they will ever take them away.
do you know how many drivers would have died with out the restrictor plates? lots i bet


pretty much cover my say...
 
I was not a big fan of the plate races, but now that I have been watching them more, I don't mind them.
 
If they would build a engine with less horse power just for those two tracks. They could ditch the plates. But untill they do that the plates will stay. :beerbang:
 
Smoke1TS20 said:
ok lets have them go and then more people will get killed, as long as its more fun to watch!
no they need to keep them, i dont think they will ever take them away.
do you know how many drivers would have died with out the restrictor plates? lots i bet

Please explain! Without them, the cars aren't so "bunched" together. With them, the cars are very "bunched" together, which causes more accidents. IMO, they only use them for this purpose. Tighter racing draws bigger crowds. Accidents draw bigger crowds too.
 
Gollum said:
If they would build a engine with less horse power just for those two tracks. They could ditch the plates. But untill they do that the plates will stay. :beerbang:

They can build engines with less horsepower. It's not difficult. It's more difficult to build an engine with more horsepower.
 
Plates don't bunch cars up - driver's right feet do that. Then, the cars get unstable so if they're unstable at 195mph, wouldn't they be even more so at 235mph?

If plate tracks where the ONLY ones with accidents then I'd say get rid of 'em.
 
here is the cure;
make them run an old style short track car no aero tweeking allowed a 6 inch spoiler at 65 degrees and a 305 cubic inch motor then we can stick the plates up brians butt
and by the way smoke have you ever seen an unrestricted race before ?
I have seen many and trust me they didn't run in packs like they do now, wrecks, sure there were wrecks but no where near as many cars were involved.

just my 2 cents
 
When Humpy Wheeler was asked what type of track should be built next he said it depended on the type of car NASCAR came out with. Apparently they are going to be changing what we now see. He wanted to see a boxier car that would be slower than what we now have. Mikey agreed. That with slower cars the racing would be better.

There are plenty of ways to slow a car down without using restrictor plates. And, without having all of the cars bunch up either.
 
de7xwcc said:
here is the cure;
make them run an old style short track car no aero tweeking allowed a 6 inch spoiler at 65 degrees and a 305 cubic inch motor then we can stick the plates up brians butt
and by the way smoke have you ever seen an unrestricted race before ?
I have seen many and trust me they didn't run in packs like they do now, wrecks, sure there were wrecks but no where near as many cars were involved.

just my 2 cents

Exactly! I guess some people haven't been watching NASCAR racing for very long. Otherwise, they would know this.
 
Patrick9999 said:
Plates don't bunch cars up - driver's right feet do that. Then, the cars get unstable so if they're unstable at 195mph, wouldn't they be even more so at 235mph?

If plate tracks where the ONLY ones with accidents then I'd say get rid of 'em.

Wrong! Restrictor plates do bunch the cars together. This definitely causes more accidents than non-restrictor plate racing. The cars are more spread out in non-restrictor plate racing. Therefore, this diminishes the chances of having accidents...especially accidents involving several cars. I have been watching NASCAR racing for a very long time now. I am 32 years old now. I have been watching it since I was about 5 years old. The changes/accidents due to restrictor plate racing is quite apparent. The plates are there to sell tickets. Sure, they restrict the horsepower too. However, we don't need them. NASCAR can set limits just like they do with everything else. We won't have cars going 235mph. I'm not sure where you got that information.
 
barelypure said:
When Humpy Wheeler was asked what type of track should be built next he said it depended on the type of car NASCAR came out with. Apparently they are going to be changing what we now see. He wanted to see a boxier car that would be slower than what we now have. Mikey agreed. That with slower cars the racing would be better.

There are plenty of ways to slow a car down without using restrictor plates. And, without having all of the cars bunch up either.

I agree. :beerbang:
 
BobbyFord said:
If they knock the horsepower down in the engines, it will just be a slower group of bunched-up cars.

No, it won't. Have you ever seen a non-restrictor plate race? The cars are not bunched together like they are during a restrictor plate race. They are more spread out.
 
jgordonkkhane said:
No, it won't. Have you ever seen a non-restrictor plate race? The cars are not bunched together like they are during a restrictor plate race. They are more spread out.

Yes, I have seen a non-plate race. Many.
Everybody was talking about slowing the cars down by aero. If all the cars are consistent aero-wise, without the plate they would handle worse, be slower and at tracks as wide and as banked as Talladega and Daytona, they would never lift, just like they don't lift now.
 
BobbyFord said:
Yes, I have seen a non-plate race. Many.
Everybody was talking about slowing the cars down by aero. If all the cars are consistent aero-wise, without the plate they would handle worse, be slower and at tracks as wide and as banked as Talladega and Daytona, they would never lift, just like they don't lift now.

I didn't mention slowing cars down by aero. I just want the plates removed. I don't think the plate has anything to do with how well the cars handle. Most of the races are without the plates. If handling was a major issue, and the plates resolved the problem, then I would think they would use the plates at all the tracks. I don't know. This is just my opinion.
 
jgordonkkhane said:
They can build engines with less horsepower. It's not difficult. It's more difficult to build an engine with more horsepower.

I know they can but they don't. Not for cup cars anyway. I belive if they did then problem would be solved. The Busch cars and Trucks run at super speedways with no problems. And no plates.
 
Gollum said:
I know they can but they don't. Not for cup cars anyway. I belive if they did then problem would be solved. The Busch cars and Trucks run at super speedways with no problems. And no plates.

Don't forget the horrendous CTS crash that almost took Geoffrey Bodine's life.
 
Yes I remember that. I agree they do have big wrecks in the Busch and Truck races. But they don't seem to be as big and bad as the Cup cars. But that is just my 2 cents. :D
 
I don't think they'll ever come up with a solution to the plate problem.
They've tried stuff with the front valance, rear spoiler, roof, fender flare, etc.
I don't think with all of the different driving styles that there would be one solution that all of the drivers would agree was the way to go.
 
I've been watching NASCAR for a very long time too........and I remember watching unrestricted races at Talladega and Daytona. Yeah the cars were spread out back then. But that was because there was no "parity" aerodynamically back then either. And teams were no where near as equal technically as they are now. The cars were not making up to 850 hp........no where near it!! :) If memory serves me, it was closer to 600 hp......and they were running laps averaging over 200 mph. Strange things happen to objects going that fast..........they tend to fly when upset. Get a little air (and I mean just a small amount) under a car going that fast and it will get light in weight which makes things quite a bit worse.......it snowballs until the wheels leave the ground. But once that happens it's a little late since the driver is just along for the ride.......there is absolutely nothing that can be done until the wheels make contact with the pavement again. But the wheels don't seem to ever make contact first.......it's usually the roof or side of the car.

I believe it was Bobby Allison's career ending wreck that brought about the restrictor plates. But it wasn't so much concern for the driver's (they choose to drive the cars at those speeds) as it was for fans in the stands. Allison's car very nearly sailed over the catch fence and into the stands. Plates were implemented for fan safety...........not driver safety. There was no thought on NASCAR's part about bunching the cars up for more exciting races. That bunching up of the cars into packs came about a little later when aero parity started rearing it's ugly head and teams learned more and more about the draft and how to use it to overcome some of the power that the plates took away.

Restrictor plates are not the lone cause of pack racing at the plate tracks. In fact, I think plates have very little to do with the problem.......with the exception of producing little or no throttle response for the drivers to complete a pass or take evasive action when necessary..........it's pretty hard to get more power out of an engine when you have the throttle nailed to floor board already. The butterfly valves will only open so far, ya know! :) I think the real cause of pack racing at Daytona and Talladega are the high banks and long straight aways. 34 degrees of banking is steep..........it'll hold a car to the surface even if that car is going very, very fast! That assumes everything happens as planned by the drivers. But, that is not any near a guarantee............because the drivers have learned about drafting (that bunches cars up). And they will draft unrestricted just as they draft restricted. I would venture to say the cars would going 240 mph or more in a pack at those tracks. Enter the turn at those speeds and something (could be just plastic Gatorade bottle blow on the track from the infield) happens..........it's over!! Not one or two cars going airborne...........dozens or even more! And it's still entirely possible for cars to fly over the catch fence or hit the catch fence with another right behind that car going through the catch fence!

Restrictor plates are not for driver safety or for closer, more exciting races.........it's for fan safety. Always was and it still is. Want to get rid of plates? Bull doze Daytona and Talladega down and rebuild them with less banking. Or just drop the two tracks from the schedule. Until one of those two things happens we will have to put up with restrictor plates. Get used to them........because I don't see either of those "solutions" being implemented soon. Hell, I'll go out on a limb and say it will never happen. :D
 
Gollum said:
I know they can but they don't. Not for cup cars anyway. I belive if they did then problem would be solved. The Busch cars and Trucks run at super speedways with no problems. And no plates.

Exactly! I don't need to say anything else. :beerbang:
 
Gollum said:
Yes I remember that. I agree they do have big wrecks in the Busch and Truck races. But they don't seem to be as big and bad as the Cup cars. But that is just my 2 cents. :D

I agree with your 2 cents if it means anything to you. hehehe
 
It was Allison's wreck in, I believe `86, that caused NASCAR to implement the plate rule. To keep the cars out of the catch fence. Since then they have changed the hole size in the plate many times. I disagree that it's hard to get more air in the engine. The restrictor plates, this year were down-sized 1/8" from the 29/64ths that they were last year.
Rusty Wallace ran his car without a plate this year, during a tire test, and averaged, I think, 226 at `Dega (someone correct me if I'm wrong). He said it felt good, of course there was nobody else on the track at the time. That's pretty fast with no draft.
 
BobbyFord said:
It was Allison's wreck in, I believe `86, that caused NASCAR to implement the plate rule. To keep the cars out of the catch fence. Since then they have changed the hole size in the plate many times. I disagree that it's hard to get more air in the engine. The restrictor plates, this year were down-sized 1/8" from the 29/64ths that they were last year.
Rusty Wallace ran his car without a plate this year, during a tire test, and averaged, I think, 226 at `Dega (someone correct me if I'm wrong). He said it felt good, of course there was nobody else on the track at the time. That's pretty fast with no draft.


But I'll tell you this -- there's no way we could be out there racing at those speeds," Wallace offered. "It was neat to be out there running that fast by myself, but it would be insane to think we could have a pack of cars out there doing that." I think the key word is "insane"

wallace test at dega
 
Bucky Badger said:
But I'll tell you this -- there's no way we could be out there racing at those speeds," Wallace offered. "It was neat to be out there running that fast by myself, but it would be insane to think we could have a pack of cars out there doing that."

wallace test at dega


Agreed.
 
Bucky Badger said:
But I'll tell you this -- there's no way we could be out there racing at those speeds," Wallace offered. "It was neat to be out there running that fast by myself, but it would be insane to think we could have a pack of cars out there doing that." I think the key word is "insane"

wallace test at dega


I agree.

They can race without plates at speeds less than 200mph. NASCAR just needs to set restrictions...not plate restrictions. They do it with everything else.
 
jgordonkkhane said:
Exactly! I guess some people haven't been watching NASCAR racing for very long. Otherwise, they would know this.
sorry i wasnt even ALIVE when there were no restrictor plates on the cars
 
Smoke1TS20 said:
sorry i wasnt even ALIVE when there were no restrictor plates on the cars

hahaha

Some of us have been around for awhile, others haven't. :beerbang:
 
Smoke1TS20 said:
sorry i wasnt even ALIVE when there were no restrictor plates on the cars


well i can tell you there is nothing in the world like being at the track and hearin an unrestricted motor at full song.
as for runnin in packs i was at dega when bill e. made up 2 thats right 2 laps under green by himself to win
 
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