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Would any of you guys/girls watch a NA$CAR series that raced on US road courses? There's plenty of road courses throughout the US that NA$CAR wouldn't even have to spend money on that could provide good racing. A road course only racing series. I would be tuned in every week to watch something like this.
 
As long as they were not the concrete canyons of a temporary street course. The only temporary course I would be willing to watch would be, the Burke- Lakefront Airport course, in Cleveland. But the answer is yes, I would tune in. I have always thought there needs to be more road courses on the schedule. Some people can't appreciate a drivers ability to drive in the rain. When auto racing started, they raced from one city to another, through whatever elements they encountered. They don't race town to town anymore, but they could race on dirt tracks. That would help show the drivers skills in less than perfect conditions. I like watching drivers that have a well rounded skill sets, but that's just me. Some people don't really care about driver skills, as long as they go fast. Anytime there are at least two guys with cars, there will always be racing, and I will be watching.
 
When I first started watching NASCAR I didn't care for the road courses. Only a few drivers were road racers, some teams would hire sports car ringers for the road courses. The races were out of the norm, pretty much driving in single file. But I've noticed over time that the NASCAR drivers have added road racing skills. I think road racing is a form of racing where the driver makes a bigger difference. I won't watch a street circuit. I agree with Yogi that the Cleveland airport was cool and had great racing.
 
Nope. What NASCAR has now is enough, could use maybe one more on the schedule but that's it.
 
Would any of you guys/girls watch a NA$CAR series that raced on US road courses? There's plenty of road courses throughout the US that NA$CAR wouldn't even have to spend money on that could provide good racing. A road course only racing series. I would be tuned in every week to watch something like this.

Not unless they changed the way the cars are engineered. These cars are not at home on road courses in my opinion.
 
Why are so many here opposed to street courses? It would be a quick and cheap way to bring NASCAR to different cities. Can you imagine how cool it would be to see cars tearing through Houston, Salt Lake City or even New York? The fact that cup cars aren't built for road courses makes it all the more fun and I feel makes the racing better, not worse.
 
Nope!
Reason being .....if you ain't rubbing.....you ain't racing!
 
The fact that cup cars aren't designed for road courses is what makes them good. Races are best when drivers are uncomfortable. That said I still love ovals, mix in 5 to 8 road courses and more unique ovals and it be perfect. I think Nascar work better then open wheel on street circuits, you don't have the contact issues in tight spaces those cars have.
 
IMSA does a pretty good job of scratching my road course itch, along with part of the IndyCar schedule. I have no objections to NASCAR starting a series dedicated to RCs, but I don't expect to see it happen; that's basically what they already have with IMSA.
 
Why are so many here opposed to street courses? It would be a quick and cheap way to bring NASCAR to different cities. Can you imagine how cool it would be to see cars tearing through Houston, Salt Lake City or even New York? The fact that cup cars aren't built for road courses makes it all the more fun and I feel makes the racing better, not worse.
It's not that Cup cars aren't built for road courses (although they aren't). It's that street courses aren't really built for racing.
 
We could have caution zones in those areas not built for racing. The cars could run nose to tail thru those until they hit a green zone where someone could try to pass.

Sounds kinda familiar.....................
 
Would any of you guys/girls watch a NA$CAR series that raced on US road courses? There's plenty of road courses throughout the US that NA$CAR wouldn't even have to spend money on that could provide good racing. A road course only racing series. I would be tuned in every week to watch something like this.

I like RC's but not every week. The perfect season for me is 27 races with 9 being on short tracks, 4 RC's, 2 Darlington dates, 2 Phoenix, 2 at the reconfigured old Atlanta and 8 at Brobs and Plate tracks to keep the people that care about the speed differential between corner entry and apex happy and those that like watching cars drive around in a pack all day.
 
I don't think there's any way NASCAR would ever be comfortable with the big boys racing on street circuits, in terms of safety.

Good point and I will get fire and brimstone rained on me for this but I think NASCAR is far happier putting on sterile events that ensure drivers normally don't break a nail as opposed to anything even remotely risky.
 
The reason people like NASCAR on road courses is because it is different...an exception to the rule. In reality, stock car races on road courses are ugly. They're big, slow, and ill-equipped for turning different directions. A whole series with NASCAR-style stocks would not be appealing to me.
 
I just have two words for you. Or maybe a contraction and one word...or is it an acronym and one word? But there's a number in it.



Alright whatever, I'll give you one letter, one number, and one word: V8 Supercars.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing a street course but like a lot have said safety is probably the reason they don't. I'd much rather see a street course than a regular road course though. Just think it would be cool to see Cup care speeding through a city like NY, Las Vegas, or LA.
 
Why are so many here opposed to street courses? It would be a quick and cheap way to bring NASCAR to different cities. Can you imagine how cool it would be to see cars tearing through Houston, Salt Lake City or even New York? The fact that cup cars aren't built for road courses makes it all the more fun and I feel makes the racing better, not worse.
For me street courses are concrete canyons, drivers can't see around a corner. An accident can block the track. There is generally little passing. There are no safety barriers, just concrete barriers (I suspect safety barriers would be too expensive and would narrow an already narrow track).
 
Alright whatever, I'll give you one letter, one number, and one word: V8 Supercars.
Unfortunately, Australian V8 Supercars is losing its V8s, its manufacturer support, and its fan base at an alarming rate. Trending like Nascar, so to speak.
 
Good point and I will get fire and brimstone rained on me for this but I think NASCAR is far happier putting on sterile events that ensure drivers normally don't break a nail as opposed to anything even remotely risky.
Not just for drivers but for the fans as well. The temporary fencing brought in for these events typically aren't very tall.
 
IMSA does a pretty good job of scratching my road course itch, along with part of the IndyCar schedule. I have no objections to NASCAR starting a series dedicated to RCs, but I don't expect to see it happen; that's basically what they already have with IMSA.
And Trans Am.
 
As long as they were not the concrete canyons of a temporary street course. The only temporary course I would be willing to watch would be, the Burke- Lakefront Airport course, in Cleveland. But the answer is yes, I would tune in. I have always thought there needs to be more road courses on the schedule. Some people can't appreciate a drivers ability to drive in the rain. When auto racing started, they raced from one city to another, through whatever elements they encountered. They don't race town to town anymore, but they could race on dirt tracks. That would help show the drivers skills in less than perfect conditions. I like watching drivers that have a well rounded skill sets, but that's just me. Some people don't really care about driver skills, as long as they go fast. Anytime there are at least two guys with cars, there will always be racing, and I will be watching.
Nope I didn't mention street courses, I'm not a fan of street courses unless it's a F1 designed one.
 
How about something only the best drivers could master. Something that goes to where the first NASCAR drivers came from. I'm talking about dirt road courses. Do you think the moonshiners roads were paved? No, they were not. As a matter of fact, the police could spot moonshiners, because their cars would have mud on the fenders when the got into town. If they are the "greatest drivers in the world", then I want to see why. I promise you it would be as entertaining as anything you've ever seen.
 
How about something only the best drivers could master. Something that goes to where the first NASCAR drivers came from. I'm talking about dirt road courses. Do you think the moonshiners roads were paved? No, they were not. As a matter of fact, the police could spot moonshiners, because their cars would have mud on the fenders when the got into town. If they are the "greatest drivers in the world", then I want to see why. I promise you it would be as entertaining as anything you've ever seen.

You are pretty much describing Rally Car.
 
Unfortunately, Australian V8 Supercars is losing its V8s, its manufacturer support, and its fan base at an alarming rate. Trending like Nascar, so to speak.

Which is sad, because when Speed Channel was a thing I used to stay up until all weird ass hours of the night to catch those races live. They were almost always incredible


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I was thinking a completely different series of NA$CAR racing. So I'm not thinking NA$CAR oval race cars, I'm thinking a new series. A road course only series kinda like the V-8 supercars. Just before Obama became President there were a lot of Road Course tracks built 7 in Texas alone. Also 2 in Louisiana. My national car club does road course events all year all over the US, so I know there are road courses all over the US.
 
I was thinking a completely different series of NA$CAR racing. So I'm not thinking NA$CAR oval race cars, I'm thinking a new series. A road course only series kinda like the V-8 supercars. Just before Obama became President there were a lot of Road Course tracks built 7 in Texas alone. Also 2 in Louisiana. My national car club does road course events all year all over the US, so I know there are road courses all over the US.
I'd watch the hell outta that. All damn day.
 
Anyone have more info on these? They were before my time but intriguing nonetheless.

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Side note; wow! I didn't know the ford terrace was so old at CMS. Is that why people say it shakes in the wind?
 
Anyone have more info on these? They were before my time but intriguing nonetheless.

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Side note; wow! I didn't know the ford terrace was so old at CMS. Is that why people say it shakes in the wind?


Couldn't find a whole lot on it but this seemed to be the most relevant part:

Toward future use of more road courses, such as Watkins Glen, N.Y., which will have a race this year, NASCAR has had a prototype race car, called the LR, built.

The L and R stand for left and right , and the new car is being designed with the expansion into road and/or street courses in mind. It is smaller, has a shorter wheelbase, is much lighter--2,600 pounds compared to 3,700 pounds for current models--and, as the name implies, will be balanced to turn both directions, not just left.

"Our cars have always been built for ovals, and they relate better to ovals, but to grow, we are going to have to go to other places to run," Richter pointed out. "The LR cars would give us the opportunity to expand our market potential.

"It would allow NASCAR to take its program into places such as the Meadowlands, Tamiami Park in Miami, Long Beach or street facility in new locations."

The LR car, an experimental Chevy built by Richard Childress, is sitting in the garage area at Daytona International Speedway for racers to study. It is scheduled to make its debut as part of the Winston Cup series in August of 1987 at Watkins Glen.

Most NASCAR teams now have three cars--one for superspeedways, such as Daytona; one for short tracks, and one for Riverside, for many years the only road course where the stock cars ran.

"We feel that the LR cars will reduce costs and make it possible for teams to need only two different cars. The LR should be perfectly compatible for short track racing as well as road courses."

Another result of the LR program will be expansion of the 29-race schedule to as many as 36 races, allowing NASCAR to move into more nationally lucrative markets and out of its Southeastern mode. Currently, 20 of its 29 races are in the Southeast.

http://articles.latimes.com/1986-02-12/sports/sp-27616_1_les-richter


It looks like after the whole expansion thing never materialized Bobby adapted the Buick to run in the IMSA GTO class in the 1988 SunBank 24 at Daytona:

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http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Daytona-1988-01-31.html
 
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