Rusty's favorite teammate

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Seems as though Rusty doesn't believe that Ryan should have passed him. I guess that would be my thought as well had I been Rusty, but Ryan is in the chase and needs all the points he can get and Rusty is only racing for the win. Not much of a Rusty fan here and so as the race ended, I was terribly excited to see Rusty fade all the way back to 10th, curtesy of his teammate.

Wonder what might be said after the race at the Penske headquarters. :)
 
Twice during the race something was said about Rusty asking someone to let him by cause he was faster, IMO that's not racing. If you are faster then find away around him, don't ask him to move cause you think you can win 42 other drivers think they can win too.
 
buck, I'm sure a whole lot will be said back at the Penske shop. I too am not a big fan of Rusty's, and thought the whole situation rather humerous after what they said Rusty had asked Roger Penske to relay to Ryan's team. ;)
 
If Wallace blames Newman for the questionable move he made in trying to pass Johnson on the outside, he needs to get his head examined.

Does anyone know what went on between Wallace and his son-in-law with Newman after the race? Maybe we'll get to read about it Tuesday.
 
I sort of like Rusty........probably a little better than Ryan Newman. But, Rusty pulled a big time whine when he asked Roger Penski to tell Ryan to stay off his butt. Reminds me of another driver that has done that very thing lately! Any driver has to win on his own...........don't ask others to move out of your way just because you think you have a shot of winning or finishing ahead of them. Prove it on the track by getting around them without intervention by others.
 
In the last 10 laps there are no team mates. Ryan was trying for the win as well as Rusty. I don't think anybody would have moved over and let another driver pass. :cheers:
 
So if I understand this all, it's A-OK for teammates to block FOR one another, just so long as they don't block OUT one another...


I like Rusty. I like Ryan. I have no opinion about whether Rusty's request was kosher or not. I see both sides of that particular argument as equally valid. Asking a driver with little to lose (comparatively) for courtesy is one thing. Asking someone equally as fast with the same amount to lose to move over is quite another. Mark Martin is a prime example in my eyes of the former; Jimmie Johnson's past is full of the latter. This Ryan/Rusty mess falls somewhere in between in my eyes.

These requests happen every race, by the way. Every driver on the circuit has made these requests and has had them made of him at one time or another in the course of every season. Talk about a non-issue, this is one to me.

All I know is, it got me my avatar back for a week, so I ain't cryin' about it. :lol:
 
It's long been my understanding that in Nascar you take whatever advantage you can get. If you can get someone to pull over for you, by all means...do it.

The only problem I see here is that Newman's team didn't get on the radio and make the request first.
 
Was there a problem here ?? Really ??

Rusty made the error of moving out of the grove, opening the door for Ryan to take the inside line away. Rusty realized his mistake and the fender banging began.

Roger Penske stood in the spotters area and watched. As he should have.

Looked like Rusty and Ryan were racing for position, hard. This was hardcore short track racing. It was good racing and the errors were costly to many.
 
Rusty should not be criticized for what all drivers do that have teammates. If Ryan had worked with Rusty they probably could have both passed Johnson. Then Ryan could have put a move on Rusty if he had enough car and talent. ^_^
 
Rusty didn't say anything negative after the race. Ryan was a bit defensive and you could take his comments as taking shots at Rusty but I think the whole thing is a mountain made out of a molehill. Rusty has been around long enough to know how racing is and although he may have been a little aggravated at the time, I'm sure all is well in the Penske house. For the most part they have worked great as teammates all year. I think it will all blow over.

What is the son in law stuff about? Didn't hear anything about that? Assuming McMurray and Newman had a convo?
 
Originally posted by Whizzer@Oct 25 2004, 08:42 AM
Was there a problem here ?? Really ??

Rusty made the error of moving out of the grove, opening the door for Ryan to take the inside line away. Rusty realized his mistake and the fender banging began.

Roger Penske stood in the spotters area and watched. As he should have.

Looked like Rusty and Ryan were racing for position, hard. This was hardcore short track racing. It was good racing and the errors were costly to many.
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Considering the actions and comments after the race, I'd say there definitely was a problem.
 
Ya know, I kind of don't like Rusty or Ryan for that matter... But when I saw Ryan dump rusty like that and Rusty get all bent out of shape... i had to laugh... It was almost as if Ryan was saying... "Hey old man, get out of my way... LAST CALL"
 
Originally posted by Hawk3270@Oct 25 2004, 10:15 AM
What is the son in law stuff about? Didn't hear anything about that? Assuming McMurray and Newman had a convo?
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Newman said something about getting attention from "Rusty and his future son-in-law".
 
Originally posted by Patrick9999+Oct 25 2004, 11:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Patrick9999 @ Oct 25 2004, 11:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Hawk3270@Oct 25 2004, 10:15 AM
What&nbsp; is the son in law stuff about?&nbsp; Didn't hear anything about that?&nbsp; Assuming McMurray and Newman had a convo?
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Newman said something about getting attention from "Rusty and his future son-in-law". [/b][/quote]
That was news to me. I hadn't heard this. Wonder how valid any of it is?
 
to me its funny when i hear drivers like mark martin and jimmie johnson (the most recent ones) who try to get cars out of their way because "they are running for a championship," especially when the other cars are still on the lead lap. you may be running for a championship, but the other drivers are still trying to finish as high as they can in this particular race. Lapped cars of course are another story. If they are not keeping up with traffic, then they should move aside and not interfere with the race.

the fact is, these drivers such as johnson, martin, and wallace can ask the other drivers to do whatever it is they want. just dont expect much compliance.
 
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@Oct 25 2004, 10:15 AM
What  is the son in law stuff about?  Didn't hear anything about that?  Assuming McMurray and Newman had a convo?
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Newman said something about getting attention from "Rusty and his future son-in-law".
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That was news to me. I hadn't heard this. Wonder how valid any of it is? [/b][/quote]
The post-race interview with Newman, Speed Channel, Nascar Victory Lane.
 
Originally posted by MCanyon@Oct 25 2004, 12:28 PM
to me its funny when i hear drivers like mark martin and jimmie johnson (the most recent ones) who try to get cars out of their way because "they are running for a championship," especially when the other cars are still on the lead lap. you may be running for a championship, but the other drivers are still trying to finish as high as they can in this particular race. Lapped cars of course are another story. If they are not keeping up with traffic, then they should move aside and not interfere with the race.

the fact is, these drivers such as johnson, martin, and wallace can ask the other drivers to do whatever it is they want. just dont expect much compliance.
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But, there is always the hind side of that. Everyone's trying to win, but favours are remembered. Stepping aside for someone else's championship chance is often a karma thing. Next time you've a jammed impact wrench, that favour might come back to help. Or a set of tires. Or a pair of body jockeys after a bangup. Most of these teams race hard, but still manage to be buddies once the checkers fly. Some don't. It's a matter of politics who's back you're willing to scratch.
 
Originally posted by Professur@Oct 25 2004, 12:12 PM
But, there is always the hind side of that. Everyone's trying to win, but favours are remembered. Stepping aside for someone else's championship chance is often a karma thing. Next time you've a jammed impact wrench, that favour might come back to help. Or a set of tires. Or a pair of body jockeys after a bangup. Most of these teams race hard, but still manage to be buddies once the checkers fly. Some don't. It's a matter of politics who's back you're willing to scratch.
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Yep, that's true, but we all know that when a team has trouble, all the other teams will pitch in and help, even those who have had a grudge to pick. This is something that goes all the way down to the local level. I've seen bitter enemies on the track help each other out in the pits, but when they get on the track, it's another story. Here's the deal, these guys are racing and when it gets tight, the adrenalin starts to flow and if you've ever experienced that, you'll know that you'r main goal is to do the best you can, no matter. Sometimes that feeling gets out of hand and things don't end up with a good result and other times, that feeling takes you all the way home as the winner. That is what makes for some of the best racing ever, when two or three or more guys are on the edge, getting the most out of themselves and someone's gonna win and someone's gonna lose. I've been on both ends of that and I'm here to tell you that this is what those guys drive for.
 
Originally posted by DeeDee@Oct 24 2004, 04:56 PM
Twice during the race something was said about Rusty asking someone to let him by cause he was faster, IMO that's not racing. If you are faster then find away around him, don't ask him to move cause you think you can win 42 other drivers think they can win too.
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Tell that to mark martin and the whole host of other drivers that have their spotters go and ask others to move over.
 
After the cool-down lap, Newman, who finished third, drove on to pit road where the top-five cars are required to stop. Wallace followed Newman and appeared to hit the rear of Newman's No.12 Dodge.

"I don't guess Rusty and I are on speaking terms right now," Newman said Sunday. "I know I was underneath him and I know he came down on me.

"I wasn't going to give him anything, so he got loose and lost a bunch of spots.

"He came up and hit my car after the race."

Newman was second at the white flag, but Jamie McMurray banged past him to take that spot.

"If I had done to Jamie what he did to me in Turns1 and 2, I would have taken a chance on spinning him out," Newman said.

Added Newman: "I haven't got called to the (NASCAR) trailer yet but I was on the receiving end of both Rusty and his future son-in-law. So we'll see what happens."


http://news.google.com/news?q=subway+500+p...tab=nn&oi=newsr

the link to the article is on this page about mid way down. i couldnt send the exact link because after you click on it once you have to subscribe so see it again.
 
mark martin has asked for drivers to LET him go by, since he is in the chase too... mainly the last race or 2 when he was trying to get into the top 10......
not much of a jack roush fan here!!! like his drivers just not him..hehe
 

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They all do it now and then and they remember who accomodates them. However, they all have had times that they wouldn't move over also.
 
Added Newman: "I haven't got called to the (NASCAR) trailer yet but I was on the receiving end of both Rusty and his future son-in-law. So we'll see what happens."

Newman apparently was referring to McMurray, who has been dating Wallace's daughter, Katie.
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I didn't even know Rusty had a daughter. I assume she is from his 1st marriage. All he ever talks about is his 2 sons. Especially Steven, who is "special". <_<
 
"I didn't even know Rusty had a daughter. I assume she is from his 1st marriage. All he ever talks about is his 3 sons. Especially Steven, who is "special". "

Well he's got a cool name, I'll give him that much. ;)
 
Originally posted by DeeDee@Oct 24 2004, 04:56 PM
Twice during the race something was said about Rusty asking someone to let him by cause he was faster, IMO that's not racing. If you are faster then find away around him, don't ask him to move cause you think you can win 42 other drivers think they can win too.
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:cheers:
 
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