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paul

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He's really showing em in that new ride eh? Man, finally gets into a "good car" and shows what he's made of!
 
Oh yeah...and poor Rudd in that POS car Sadler was stuck with. Can't do nothin in that car! Woo boy!
 
That's the point, he "finally" got a "chance" in a "decent car". :)
 
I think the point is that the talk was that we would really see what a great driver Sadler is when he was in a good car. Now he has his chance and he's I think 38th in points. Must not be that gooda driver.
Or was that not what you were trying to say, Paul?
 
:idunno: "No, I don't think" or "No, I don't think it's kinda early to tell" :nyanya:
 
Rudd's team has more backing from both the sponsor and the car manufacturer than when Sadler had when he was driving for the Wood Brothers.

I think the #38 will be a good team in the long-run, but the Wood Brothers team will be nothing to overlook either. I think the Sadler/Rudd switch might end up working out for both of them, and whether that is true or not will be more evident around the half-way point of this season when both teams.
 
Guess I'm a little slow today, I can't quite follow the point here.

Sadler, at Daytona ran as high as second, had ignition problems (hate it when those drivers screw up the wiring) fell way back. Was climbing back through the field when the rains came. Rockingham, despite soem early problems came home a respectable ninth (the only top 10 of the drivers mentioned in this thread). Yesterday an engine failure on lap 126 ended the day (gotta keep those drivers out of the engine room too)

Rudd is off to a good start without a top 10 finish. rpmallen is right about support especially from Ford. It was part of the deal the Wood's got from FOrd when they signed Rudd.

If the point is the the RYR car has experienced a couple of problems, yes it has. Not surprising for what is basically a new team, but the truth.
 
Yeah, but because of those problems, Sadler is a complete failure. I can't believe Yates hired him. :rolleyes:
 
Ok, let me get this straight. We are not to formulate opinions on a driver's performance based on finishing positions and/or mechanical problems...oh...and can't use overall points standings in our logic either.

Let me know what procedure is used to judge how a driver is doing, because those factors are obviously just crazy and have no bearing. :rolleyes:
 
How about how they race? They can't control everything ya know. Bad things happen to every team.
 
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Isn't "how they race" usually reflected in their points standings? Or is there some magical formula I'm supposed to be using?

Ok...so...the guys up top are not doing well. We are not allowed to make that statement, because dangit...it's just "too early" to tell. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by paul@Mar 3 2003, 01:38 PM
Ok, let me get this straight. We are not to formulate opinions on a driver's performance based on finishing positions and/or mechanical problems...oh...and can't use overall points standings in our logic either.

Let me know what procedure is used to judge how a driver is doing, because those factors are obviously just crazy and have no bearing. :rolleyes:
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If only the game were so simple.

The short answer is no you really can't. You might base a teams performance off those stats, but even that has its limitations. But to say that everything which befalls a team, be it good or bad, is solely a measure of the driver does not paint a true picture.

Flip side of the coin, I would no more concede that Mike Waltrip is the best driver in NASCAR at this point. The team has shown the best performances to date.
 
Originally posted by paul@Mar 3 2003, 12:38 PM
Let me know what procedure is used to judge how a driver is doing, because those factors are obviously just crazy and have no bearing. :rolleyes:
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They're not crazy and do have bearing, but watching the races (and I know you're watching them) gives you a better understanding on performance than finishing position in this case...HS gave a pretty accurate rundown on what has happened to Elliot thus far. I'm not convinced he's going to do all that great, but I think it's still too early. Rudd has finished a lap down in the last two races I'm pretty sure.
 
Originally posted by paul@Mar 3 2003, 01:48 PM
And Sadler hasn't done a thing with his "big chance".
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...yet.

He'll be OK. His finishes this season are not what I hoped and I'm sure not what he hoped either. I caught the comment during this week's race about the chassis. 38 running a bought one, 88 running an inhouse deal. When asked how soon the 38 team would be switching over, the answer was, "Can you say next week?" We'll see if that helps.
 
And Sadler hasn't done a thing with his "big chance".
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is that his fault tho? the one race he had no mechanical problems he finishes 9th, even after a tough day, personally i think hes gonna do good in that ride, but there is lots of season left to prove himself, not just 3 races, think you jumped the gun here alittle
 
I agree with Paul. There was so much talk about how big this change was going to be for Sadler and with a better ride how he was going to prove what a great driver he is. I haven't seen it either and granted it is only the third race into the season, but he hasn't impressed me much.
 
Wow.

Sadler has one top ten, 2 poor finishes, and he's a bust. With a whole new team to boot.

Junior has one top ten, 2 poor finishes, and he's the second coming. With the family team to boot.

Beats me. Ain't gonna look for logic amongst the illogical anymore. Go Ward! Git some good finishes before you get written off as a has-been, or a never-will-be, or whatever. :rolleyes:
 
Hey I like Ward, he will never be written off as a has been or a never will be in my book. Now don't get me started on Jr. ;)
 
Originally posted by DeeDee@Mar 3 2003, 05:34 PM
Hey I like Ward, he will never be written off as a has been or a never will be in my book. Now don't get me started on Jr. ;)
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I'm gonna run way out on a limb here and guess ya don't care too much for Sadler either.
 
Paul makes a couple of good points, Sadler has not performed to the expectations that many, including myself, had and if we are gonna judge some other very good drivers that are looking sorry in the points buy that indicator alone then we should be pretty disappointed in Sadler as well.

Daytona races are in my opinion a non factor in driver ability, they dont race that track they drive it.
Every good engine builder will tell you that 90% of engine failures are driver error, over-revving the engine in most cases, so Sadler quite possibly played a major role in the demise of that ride at Vegas.
I think that it is not just Sadler that is not impressive at this point, it is the team. I personally am hoping that they will step up to the plate soon.

Kel
 
Originally posted by HardScrabble@Mar 3 2003, 06:03 PM
I'm gonna run way out on a limb here and guess ya don't care too much for Sadler either.
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Honestly I don't dislike Sadler. I just think that he is not proving that he is this awesome driver in his new ride like people were saying he would.
 
Where was Stewart at this time of last year? Don't think he was leading the points and know where near the front. But look where he ended up.

You can't judge anyone this early yet, no matter who they are.
 
Paul and DeeDee, I just don't get why you're writing Sadler off after 3 races. Just because he blows an engine and posts a mediocre finish at a plate track, means he's done nothing and won't amount to anything? Last year, some guy named Dale Jarrett blew two engines in the first 5 races, and was 24th in points after 7 events. Does that mean that he's a bad driver, or was in bad race cars? No, it means that he had some bad luck and made one or two mistakes. Everybody does that. But look where Dale ended up in the final standings - 9th. That's why we run the full 36 race schedule. If we knew how the year was going to turn out 3 races in, what would be the point of finishing the season. We could just send everybody home and save them the expenses.

Never judge a season based on a single 3-race stretch. I don't care who you are or what driver is in question; to do something like that is farcicial and a silly, wrong thing to do.
 
A good engine builder very likely would say that...not sure he would be an honest engine builder.

In the past there was likely a lot of truth in that, especially given no pit road speed limit and more short tracks.

Nowadays however the common use of rev limiters in the ignition systems has pretty much made over revving a thing of the past. Generally speaking the primary ignition box is run with a rev limiter and the secondary one is run without. There is chance that late in the race a team might decide to switch to to the unlimited secondary if they felt that a few more revs might pay off in a dash to the finish.

Beyond that, unless the car spins, about the only way a driver could likely over rev would be leaving the pits. The odds of spinning the tires coming back on throttle at a track like Vegas are pretty long. If by chance the engine is over revving at the end of the straight the team has made a poor gear selection. Overheating and oil system failures would likely account for some of the engine failures. Beyond that is pretty much just plain old part failure.
 
I could be wrong but I dout that Elliot will break the top 20 in points.
 
I never said he was a failure, just said he hasn't done anything in three races with his new deal.
 
I just think that he is not proving that he is this awesome driver in his new ride like people were saying he would.
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i forgot everyone proves themselves after the first 3 starts of the season, im not saying hes gonna be amazing, but its pretty easy to write someone off without giving them the time to prove them self. give him some time and we will see if yates new what he was doin
 
Originally posted by paul@Mar 3 2003, 08:18 PM
I never said he was a failure, just said he hasn't done anything in three races with his new deal.
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Ok, how do you think he will do the rest of the season then?
 
Originally posted by DeeDee@Mar 4 2003, 07:11 AM
I don't think he will be in the top 15 in points.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he does make the top-15 in points. As soon as the team has enough experience together, I think they'll do better, but like I said earlier, it's still too early to judge their season.
 
It may be too early to judge the entire season, but it is not too early to judge what he has done so far...which is all I have said.
 
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