Scott Speed

[Magicmiler]

So now this guy is suing for a ride. Seems if he was that good,he would have been picked up by some start and park team.The only win this guy had was at Dover in the Trucks in June of 08
Maybe he should go back to Formula 1 and keep painting his toenails.

 

[HoneyBadger]

So now this guy is suing for a ride. Seems if he was that good,he would have been picked up by some start and park team.The only win this guy had was at Dover in the Trucks in June of 08
Maybe he should go back to Formula 1 and keep painting his toenails.

He's a good driver, the reason he doesn't have a ride is because he's burned all his bridges.

He might be able to run Trucks with ESR or ARCA... but he didn't burn those bridges, he napalmed them!

 

[Mopardh9]

I'll add ...who cares!

 

[basscatcher89]

He's suing cause they signed the contract through 2011 and breached the contract. I agree who cares but hes not suing to get his ride back. Hes just mad cause they waited till after the season to tell him instead of giving him time to put something together for this year.

 

[Magnethead]

He's suing cause they signed the contract through 2011 and breached the contract. I agree who cares but hes not suing to get his ride back. Hes just mad cause they waited till after the season to tell him instead of giving him time to put something together for this year.

only thing he could put together would be an S&P team....and that'd be barely. Even Robby wouldn't put him in a 2nd car.

 

[chromehorn]

only thing he could put together would be an S&P team....and that'd be barely. Even Robby wouldn't put him in a 2nd car.

I don't know, Speed was better than that other hump that Robby used. I can't even remember his name.

 

[Magnethead]

I don't know, Speed was better than that other hump that Robby used. I can't even remember his name.

Conway

 

[SlowNeasy]

I don't know, Speed was better than that other hump that Robby used. I can't even remember his name.

kevin conway was the hump. <g> speed blew his chance for a cup ride when he sued redbull instead of quietly working with them to help him get another ride. he turned off other owners.

 

[chromehorn]

Yea, Conway. Thanks.


Anyway, I still think redbull intentionally gave Speed inferior equipment, once they knew Vickers would be back and Kahne was available, to make sure he wouldn't/couldn't live up to his contract. Of course there is no way of proving that. And yes, Suing your former boss when you under performed just makes you look like a trouble maker. Thats too bad that Speed has pretty much shot himself in the foot unless there is an owner out there that is desperate for a driver.

 

[Mopardh9]

Yea, Conway. Thanks.


Anyway, I still think redbull intentionally gave Speed inferior equipment, once they knew Vickers would be back and Kahne was available, to make sure he wouldn't/couldn't live up to his contract. Of course there is no way of proving that. And yes, Suing your former boss when you under performed just makes you look like a trouble maker. Thats too bad that Speed has pretty much shot himself in the foot unless there is an owner out there that is desperate for a driver.

He never lived up to his billing, doesn't deserve a ride with a Cup team, and should of never left open wheel. In my opinion ...of course.

 

[wilson89]

I dont think open wheel drivers should be so anxious going to Nascar. For every Tony Stewart there is a dozen guys that pretty muched embarassed themselvs.

 

[chromehorn]

I dont think open wheel drivers should be so anxious going to Nascar. For every Tony Stewart there is a dozen guys that pretty muched embarassed themselvs.

A lot of open wheel guys want to tackle it becasue it is such a challange. You won't know if you can do it until you try. I respect guys like Franchitti, Hornish Jr, Speed, and whoever else over the years that have at least given it a shot and hung in there as long as they did.

 

[wilson89]

A lot of open wheel guys want to tackle it becasue it is such a challange. You won't know if you can do it until you try. I respect guys like Franchitti, Hornish Jr, Speed, and whoever else over the years that have at least given it a shot and hung in there as long as they did.

I respect them for trying as well but I find it a bit sad then when ever someone says the name Sam Hornish people just think of some back marker that wrecks alot. Instead of remembering everything he did in the Indycar series.

 

[Mopardh9]

I respect them for trying as well but I find it a bit sad then when ever someone says the name Sam Hornish people just think of some back marker that wrecks alot. Instead of remembering everything he did in the Indycar series.

He should go back there, they need more quality open wheel drivers, and their car counts are low too. They are lucky to get on average 24 cars for a race, with half of those actually being competitive.

 

[wolfcub]

I still think redbull intentionally gave Speed inferior equipment, once they knew Vickers would be back and Kahne was available, to make sure he wouldn't/couldn't live up to his contract. Of course there is no way of proving that. And yes, Suing your former boss when you under performed just makes you look like a trouble maker. Thats too bad that Speed has pretty much shot himself in the foot unless there is an owner out there that is desperate for a driver.

That's total c***. He had more than last year in equipment that was definitely not inferior (nor was last year imo) and what did he do? Nothin' He just is not as good of a driver as everyone made him out to be when he got to NASCAR. I can think of many drivers who could not make the cut but were billed as the next great thing.

 

[Mopardh9]

That's total c***. He had more than last year in equipment that was definitely not inferior (nor was last year imo) and what did he do? Nothin' He just is not as good of a driver as everyone made him out to be when he got to NASCAR. I can think of many drivers who could not make the cut but were billed as the next great thing.

Agreed.

 

[VaDirt]

That's total c***. He had more than last year in equipment that was definitely not inferior (nor was last year imo) and what did he do? Nothin' He just is not as good of a driver as everyone made him out to be when he got to NASCAR. I can think of many drivers who could not make the cut but were billed as the next great thing.

True, and he didn't improve the second time around at tracks that first season.

 

[chromehorn]

That's total c***. He had more than last year in equipment that was definitely not inferior (nor was last year imo) and what did he do? Nothin' He just is not as good of a driver as everyone made him out to be when he got to NASCAR. I can think of many drivers who could not make the cut but were billed as the next great thing.

Total crap? Believe what you want but if you pay attention to his stats earlier in the year he was finishing in the teens and 20's, except Bristol and Martinsville. As the year went on, especially around the time Kahne wanted out, his numbers dropped drastically. He didn't just forget how to drive all of a sudden. RedBull has pulled that same **** in F1, they get tired of a driver they give him the lesser car so he doesn't live up to his contract. They even flat out told Mark Weber that his car was inferior but Weber drove like a madman all season to make a point, finished 3rd in the standings.

 

[mike honcho]

Total crap? Believe what you want but if you pay attention to his stats earlier in the year he was finishing in the teens and 20's, except Bristol and Martinsville. As the year went on, especially around the time Kahne wanted out, his numbers dropped drastically. He didn't just forget how to drive all of a sudden. RedBull has pulled that same **** in F1, they get tired of a driver they give him the lesser car so he doesn't live up to his contract. They even flat out told Mark Weber that his car was inferior but Weber drove like a madman all season to make a point, finished 3rd in the standings.

So if SPEED is so good why doesn't he finish say 10th in the standings in inferior equiptment if other people can do it.

 

[HoneyBadger]

Total crap? Believe what you want but if you pay attention to his stats earlier in the year he was finishing in the teens and 20's, except Bristol and Martinsville. As the year went on, especially around the time Kahne wanted out, his numbers dropped drastically. He didn't just forget how to drive all of a sudden. RedBull has pulled that same **** in F1, they get tired of a driver they give him the lesser car so he doesn't live up to his contract. They even flat out told Mark Weber that his car was inferior but Weber drove like a madman all season to make a point, finished 3rd in the standings.

Agreed. Speed was doing good until Kahne's ride became a sure thing. If Scott Speed had made the Chase (and he was in at one point), they weren't gonna be able to bring Kahne in. Red Bull wanted him out for Kahne, just like they threw Allmendinger out to bring Speed in.

 

[chromehorn]

So if SPEED is so good why doesn't he finish say 10th in the standings in inferior equiptment if other people can do it.

I'm not saying he's the second coming of JJ but he's much better than how he finished last season. How do you not understand my other post?

 

[Mopardh9]

Agreed. Speed was doing good until Kahne's ride became a sure thing. If Scott Speed had made the Chase (and he was in at one point), they weren't gonna be able to bring Kahne in. Red Bull wanted him out for Kahne, just like they threw Allmendinger out to bring Speed in.

Why would they want to do that if they knew they only had Kahne for 1 season? Simply doesn't make sense at all, unless of course Mark Martin isn't stepping down from Hendrick and this is some kind of shady deal??

 

[Bucky Badger]

Agreed. Speed was doing good until Kahne's ride became a sure thing. If Scott Speed had made the Chase (and he was in at one point), they weren't gonna be able to bring Kahne in. Red Bull wanted him out for Kahne, just like they threw Allmendinger out to bring Speed in.

How did that work out for The 4 last night

 

[Magicmiler]

If Speed is as good as some defenders say he is, why didn't his Bro Kyle hook him up in some sort of ride???
Because he can't get it done,plain and simple.

 

[chromehorn]

If Speed is as good as some defenders say he is, why didn't his Bro Kyle hook him up in some sort of ride???
Because he can't get it done,plain and simple.

He would probably have a ride if it weren't for him suing his previous employer. Who's going to hire someone that is sueing his last boss? But as I pointed out in a previous post, he was finishing in the teens and low 20's, except Bristol and Martinsville, up until about the time everyone knew Kahne was going to be available. Nobody is saying that Speed is a great driver, he's average at best, our point is that how RedBull ditched him was B.S. by giving him sub par equipment when Kahne became available.

 

[dpkimmel2001]

Scott Speed to drive 2 races for KHI

An update on Speed from ESPN.

Scott Speed, who lost his Sprint Cup ride at Red Bull Racing after the 2010 season, has reached an agreement to drive in two Nationwide Series races for Kevin Harvick Inc.

Speed will drive KHI's No. 33 in the Aug. 6 race at Iowa Speedway and Aug. 20 road course race in Montreal.

 

[Mopardh9]

An update on Speed from ESPN.

Scott Speed, who lost his Sprint Cup ride at Red Bull Racing after the 2010 season, has reached an agreement to drive in two Nationwide Series races for Kevin Harvick Inc.

Speed will drive KHI's No. 33 in the Aug. 6 race at Iowa Speedway and Aug. 20 road course race in Montreal.

hmmm....longs ways away, hope he has some other stuff lined up.

 

[SlowNeasy]

if he's smart he will go to the track for every race and make it known he's available as a relief driver if needed for whatever reason. let car owners know he will do whatever is necessary to get a ride. i doubt his phone will be ringing off the hook at home. he's got to be *on-site* to take advantage of anything that might come up.

 

[dpkimmel2001]

From Dustin Long, an interesting look into a NASCAR drivers contract.....

Taking a peek at a driver's contract & how much they were to be paid


Scott Speed’s lawsuit against Red Bull Racing for releasing him after last season continues in the North Carolina court system. Among the various items presented by both sides are parts of the contract Speed had with the team.



Unlike contracts for athletes in many pro sports, details of driver contracts are rarely publicized. Typically, the only time details from driver contracts emerge is in court as is the case this time.



Speed contends in his lawsuit that Red Bull failed to provide the proper equipment and resources to succeed in the Sprint Cup Series. Red Bull denies the charge. Speed is suing Red Bull for $6.5 million.



Court documents reveal a few things about the contract between Speed and Red Bull, such as:



# On Jan. 1, 2008, according to court documents, Speed signed a three-year contract with Red Bull. Here’s how Speed was paid:



His base salary was $300,000 in 2008.



His base salary was $500,000 in 2009



His base salary was $1,000,000 in 2010



Along with the base salary, Speed collected part of the race winnings. This was how much he earned (this was the same for each year 2008-2010):



He received 50 percent of the prize money for any finish of 1st through 10th



He received 45 percent of the prize money for any finish between 11th and 20th



He received 40 percent of the prize money for any finish of 21st and worse.



# On June 10, 2008, according to court documents, Speed’s contract was amended. The renewal term was extended from 2 years to 3 years. So, the original contract went from 2008-2010 with a three-year renewal available. This was how much he was to be paid for those additional years:



His base salary would increase to $1.5 million for 2011



His base salary would increase to $2 million for 2012



His base salary would increase to $2.5 million for 2013



The percentage he received from race winnings would be the same as the original contract.



# On Jan. 19, 2010, according to court documents, Speed’s contract was changed. His base salary for the 2010 season was cut in half from $1 million to $500,000. What he earned on race winnings remained unchanged.



# Court documents state that in May 2010, Red Bull exercised its option to renew Speed’s contract for three years through the 2013 season.



# Court documents state that on Nov. 23, 2010, Red Bull terminated the deal.



Red Bull Racing states it was well within its right of releasing Speed based on a performance clause in the driver’s contract that read:



“Performance: … Team, during each year of this Agreement (including the Renewal Term) may terminate this Agreement immediately should Driver compete in a regular, full season schedule of race events in any racing series … during a given year and finish the end of such year’s Competition Season in sixteenth (16th) place or worse in such Competition Season’s year-end point standings. Team will ensure that Driver will be given Race Cars and supporting equipment that will be satisfactory enough for a driver of Driver’s experience and skill level to reasonably achieve the aforementioned results.’’



Scott Speed finished 30th in the points last season (he was 35th in the points in 2009, his first full season in Cup). Speed had 2 top-10 finishes in 36 starts last year.