Should Points Penalties Carry Over

[TonyB]

Okay. The basic question is, if a driver gets a points penalty in the first 26 races, should that carry over into the 10 race chase for the championhsip.

Currently, any penalty incurred in the first 26 races will basically get erased when the points are reset after 26 races. Of course that penalty might keep someone out of the top 10, but if it is to a team high in the top 10, it isn't going to have much impact.

So, should they get the points penalty applied to their adjusted chase total as well?

 

[Mopardh9]

No they shouldn't be allowed in the chase for the championship IMO. If there is a flagrant violation of the rules it should be a stipulation that they are disqualified from the Championship chase. Possibly this would of calmed down some of the STUPID moves by drivers in the last 2 weeks. There should be stiffer fines for the rough driving pure and simple, these guys get away with way too much.

 

[Windsor377]

No. The "chase" wipes the slate clean.

 

[Mopardh9]

That is like saying they have a free ride, no way should the slate be wiped.

 

[Windsor377]

But that's the whole "purpose" (if bwian actually has one) of the chase; the points being reset....by the way, did I ever mention I thought the whole chase thing is stupid in the first place?

dang that was a big pic, let's try this:

 

[Gollum]

The way I understand it that everyone starts over at zero. On the 27th race. So I voted no.

 

[Mopardh9]

Yeh i think, like some other people said in other threads, Nascar is just trying to change too much. I think they are really trying to glitz it up so to speak, where messing with a good thing tends to make make it not a good thing. Nascar will straighten it out though, i think they are just going through a tough patch right now.

 

[Lizzycat]

All drivers in the “chase” will have their point totals adjusted. The first-place driver in the standings will begin the chase with 5,050 points; the second-place driver will start with 5,045, etc. Incremental five-point drops will continue through the list of title contenders.

So they have been penalized once during the first 26 races....now you want them penalized again?

To me that makes no sense at all.

They took the 25 point hit once and still managed to stay in the top ten (or the mythical 400 points of the leader) why should they be penalized again?????

 

[Windsor377]

Originally posted by Mopardh9@Jun 14 2004, 03:43 PM
Yeh i think, like some other people said in other threads, Nascar is just trying to change too much. I think they are really trying to glitz it up so to speak, where messing with a good thing tends to make make it not a good thing. Nascar will straighten it out though, i think they are just going through a tough patch right now.

I think Bill Jr needs to sit the whole group down and have a serious discussion. They're letting the pontificating and "excitement" get in the way of controling the events.

 

[majestyx]

So, basically what you are asking is......................pay twice for one offense?

If I understand your question correctly, it would be the same as asking you if you would like to pay a speeding ticket twice..............Well, would you???

No, if after receiving the penalty during the 26 races and they are able to stay in the top 10 or in the 400 point window, they should have the ability to compete in the race for the championship just like all of the other eligible drivers.

 

[kat2220]

Double Jepordy??? NO

But ya cai't tell whar Nascar will do.

 

[esorlxaw]

i really think when they dock points, say for spinning yourself out, that they are issuing less than a slap on the wrist...essentially, if they were serious about these fines or citations, they would make someone sit out.

 

[dragonlady424]

I have to admit I voted yes on this. But I really
have mixed emotions over the entire subject.
Double jeopardy, well...........not really; cause
they did it to themselves. But I also see the other side
of this argument.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Just dunno.

 

[Jmac]

I don't think they should. If the infraction happens during the last 10 then yes it should.

 

[hurrikahne9]

Originally posted by Windsor377@Jun 14 2004, 03:15 PM
But that's the whole "purpose" (if bwian actually has one) of the chase; the points being reset....by the way, did I ever mention I thought the whole chase thing is stupid in the first place?

dang that was a big pic, let's try this:

I agree with you on the whole chase thing. It bugs me that its just gonna be the driver within 400 points of the leader, but what about the other guys who have put just as much, if not more work into this season. It's not fair to them.

 

[Jmac]

I agree hurrikahne, its not fair. But with the way it is, it gives Teams something to shoot for. If not this Year maybe next year. To get in the Top 10 and compete for a Championship.

 

[racerx11]

I agree with you on the whole chase thing. It bugs me that its just gonna be the driver within 400 points of the leader, but what about the other guys who have put just as much, if not more work into this season. It's not fair to them. [/QUOTE]
If you are not with in 400 points with ten to go, you are not going to win the championship anyway. But what it will do is give a couple drivers new life when the points race starts to wind down. That being said, I think this playoff thing will be a one year experiment. Nobody seems to be warming up to the ideal, but lets wait until we see it to pass judgment.

I wonder if more fans would be in favor if Jr was floundering around 8th or 9th spot a couple hundred points down.


By the way, I voted no.

 

[Jmac]

Originally posted by racerx11@Jun 15 2004, 01:57 PM
I wonder if more fans would be in favor if Jr was floundering around 8th or 9th spot a couple hundred points down.

Why would Jr fans Flounder if he was 8th or 9th in position and a couple of hundred points down? Its who's in the Top 10 I thought that gets in. IMO I think it adds to the excitement for the Championship. If Jr doesn't do good and doesn't get in, he just doesn't get in no need to belly ache.

 

[de7xwcc]

Originally posted by Mopardh9@Jun 14 2004, 07:52 PM
There should be stiffer fines for the rough driving pure and simple, these guys get away with way too much.

how long have you followed this sport ??

10 years ago the stupid little things you are seeing between drivers now would have been laughed at.

 

[Windsor377]

Originally posted by de7xwcc+Jun 15 2004, 01:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (de7xwcc @ Jun 15 2004, 01:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mopardh9@Jun 14 2004, 07:52 PM
There should be stiffer fines for the rough driving pure and simple, these guys get away with way too &nbsp; much.

how long have you followed this sport ??

10 years ago the stupid little things you are seeing between drivers now would have been laughed at. [/b][/quote]
I finally had a chance to see what happened between the 17 and 29 on inc last night. I was expecting something as big as the "pass" in the grass. I thought that was an example of hard racing and folks holding their ground. The yellow flag stuff would have gotten folks a penalty box in years past. Should still.

 

[Windsor377]

Originally posted by hurrikahne9+Jun 15 2004, 11:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hurrikahne9 @ Jun 15 2004, 11:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Windsor377@Jun 14 2004, 03:15 PM
But that's the whole "purpose" (if bwian actually has one) of the chase; the points being reset....by the way, did I ever mention I thought the whole chase thing is stupid in the first place?

dang that was a big pic, let's try this:

I agree with you on the whole chase thing. It bugs me that its just gonna be the driver within 400 points of the leader, but what about the other guys who have put just as much, if not more work into this season. It's not fair to them. [/b][/quote]
I think the chase trivializes the entire season. An artificially produced "close championship" chase, is no more real than a video game. Regardless who wins or loses.

 

[Mopardh9]

Hey de7x i have been following thois sport a long time ...39 years to be exact dude. I do know a little about it, epecially since i grew up around it and my dad was involved with it. So before you go spouting off at the mought and make DH of yourself, maybe you should look at what really happened on Sunday. Both Harvick and Kennseth put themselves and other drivers in danger by their actions on the track during the green and yellow flag laps. That is a pretty simple observation that most people have observed. I still stand by the notion that these 2 should be suspended for a race,equal penalties for their stupidity on the track.

 

[Gollum]

I do agree that both Harvick and Kenseth both should get equal penalties. They both did wrong. But I dont think they should be surpended. They haven't surpened anyone else for spinning someone under caution. But Nascar changes rules each week. So who knows.

 

[racer8]

A 25 point penalty in race # 5 ( for instance ) would apply to race points for that race. Done deal. the points lost would apply overall over 26 races. with 10 to go should the points penaltys ( for instance in race # 28 ) be as severe, considering the top 10 are being tightened up by 5 point increments and only over 10 races.
A normal 25 point hit could severly impact a single team during the last 10 races with very little time to make it up.