Should the Military Sponsor Nascar Teams?

Should The military sponsor race car teams ?

  • Yes, They are allocated money and should be free to spend it as they see fit!

    Votes: 10 66.7%

  • No, Not until the economy gets better and the deficit gets smaller

    Votes: 5 33.3%
  • Total voters
    15
  • Poll closed .
That money comes out of their recruiting budget, if not spent on a race car it'll be spent somewhere else.
It's the cost of the fly overs that puts fudge in my shorts, you have any idea what that costs?
 
As STS55 said, the money comes from the recruiting funds. As long as they are getting the return and it's not an extra hit to the taxpayers I don't see a problem with it. They're going to spend the money on sponsorships or some other way which is costing us the taxpayers the same either way.
 
SST55 said:
That money comes out of their recruiting budget, if not spent on a race car it'll be spent somewhere else.
It's the cost of the fly overs that puts fudge in my shorts, you have any idea what that costs?
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This bothers me a little, but I think that there is some balance. Firstly, it probably involves scheduling training exercises to coincide with the event. The air force spends much more putting on air shows in front of a much smaller audience. Also, NASCAR and it's drivers do aton for military personel and their familys. Keselowski dedicates most Mondays to giving ride alongs to disabled military personel and first responders, including a nice BBQ. Brad races on Sunday and often doesn't leave the track until late Monday afternoon. That,along with race tickets and free services for our military men and woman is a nice moral boost.
 
Government has to spend money during a recession. I'm kind of getting tired of Congress saying the only things we can spend money on is nuclear weapons, tax cuts for the wealthiest people in the world, subsidies for oil companies that make the largest profits in the history of the world and on funding for wars that we shouldn't be in.
 
SST55 said:
That money comes out of their recruiting budget, if not spent on a race car it'll be spent somewhere else.
It's the cost of the fly overs that puts fudge in my shorts, you have any idea what that costs?
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I would think that the flyovers go towards their flight time..If they don't do it at the races they would do it elsewhere....
 
Bucky Badger said:
I would think that the flyovers go towards their flight time..If they don't do it at the races they would do it elsewhere....
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I live in Blue Angel country within 25 miles of 6 military flying fields. I know for a fact that they schedule the flyovers to coincide with needed flight time or some type of training exercise.
 
Johali said:
I live in Blue Angel country within 25 miles of 6 military flying fields. I know for a fact that they schedule the flyovers to coincide with needed flight time or some type of training exercise.
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Thanks...I sorta though so
 
Our law makers are tiresome with their pointless posturing. This $60 or $80 million issue got some traction last year, so some other knucklehead jumped on board. Meanwhile, the they ignore 10's of billions in waste every year.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
As someone else said, the money is from the recruiting budget. I'd rather seen it on a race car than a billboard.
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I agree, sponsorship money from recruiting money, flyovers from money they would have to use for training etc. anyway. They have those discussions on the local news here every so often.
 
With all this talk about nascar and the military, they both need to send these congress clowns some cash for the publicity.
 
putterspitt said:
my wife used to do budgeting for the AF. These flyovers are set aside as maintenance flights and dont cost anything extra. They were gonna be in the air at some point anyway.
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Well said.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Government has to spend money during a recession. I'm kind of getting tired of Congress saying the only things we can spend money on is nuclear weapons, tax cuts for the wealthiest people in the world, subsidies for oil companies that make the largest profits in the history of the world and on funding for wars that we shouldn't be in.
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Wow that was an unexpected lucid moment . :cheers:
 
putterspitt said:
my wife used to do budgeting for the AF. These flyovers are set aside as maintenance flights and dont cost anything extra. They were gonna be in the air at some point anyway.
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Good point there putter . Welcome to the forum , hope we hear from you often.
 
How does the military decide who will receive the sponsorship?
 
Ok so the vote is 7 to 2 that we are in favor of borrowing money from China to give to race teams! What are we thinking? Couldn't a company that HAS MONEY sponser those teams? It's just one more thing that the PEOPLE of this country don't need to spend their tax dollars on..
Betsy
 
FenderBumper said:
Our law makers are tiresome with their pointless posturing. This $60 or $80 million issue got some traction last year, so some other knucklehead jumped on board. Meanwhile, the they ignore 10's of billions in waste every year.
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I can't blame the lawmakers so much as the voters. The congressmen and women are doing exactly what they promised to do, which is cut government spending during the recession (which always makes things worse) and bring back the Culture Wars. Instead of being informed on these issues, a bunch of people watched FOX "News" and voted for these clowns because Sean Hannity and Megyn Kelly told them that electing these bufoons would magically fix the economy, overnight.
 
Betsy said:
Ok so the vote is 7 to 2 that we are in favor of borrowing money from China to give to race teams! What are we thinking? Couldn't a company that HAS MONEY sponser those teams? It's just one more thing that the PEOPLE of this country don't need to spend their tax dollars on..
Betsy
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Good point. Allot of good information has come from this thread. I consider myself a fiscal conservative and I still haven't voted yet.
 
Betsy said:
Ok so the vote is 7 to 2 that we are in favor of borrowing money from China to give to race teams! What are we thinking? Couldn't a company that HAS MONEY sponser those teams? It's just one more thing that the PEOPLE of this country don't need to spend their tax dollars on..
Betsy
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The way I understand it, they get this money regardless. Meaning it's not costing us anymore weather they sponsor cars or put out billboards and hand out shirts. Obviously it takes a lot of money to sponsor these cars so if was on top of the budget they'd get I'd be totally against that. But then again they'd blow it on some BS anyway.
 
[quote="Thegroundpounder99, post: 515503, member: 6052"... But then again they'd blow it on some BS anyway.[/quote]

Maybe they could put the money into the Walter Reed Military Hospital and help some returning vets instead of having celebs do it. Just wonderin .:confused:
 
ted@economy said:
[quote="Thegroundpounder99, post: 515503, member: 6052"... But then again they'd blow it on some BS anyway.
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Maybe they could put the money into the Walter Reed Military Hospital and help some returning vets instead of having celebs do it. Just wonderin .:confused:[/quote]

I totally agree with you. Unfortunately though, I think we're talking to different deals. I personally feel the programs they throw all the money at are the ones we shouldn't, and the ones they should they neglect, like the one you mentioned. As I mentioned, the way I understand it, it comes from a set recruiting fund to spend as they want. If they're gonna cut that recruiting fund to spread the money else where, great. But just to say they shouldn't sponsor a racecar and put up some billboards instead ain't gonna get the money to where it's needed or help the economy out.
 
Betsy said:
Ok so the vote is 7 to 2 that we are in favor of borrowing money from China to give to race teams! What are we thinking? Couldn't a company that HAS MONEY sponser those teams? It's just one more thing that the PEOPLE of this country don't need to spend their tax dollars on..
Betsy
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Wrong. Most of our debt is held by the Federal Reserve. Bonds and Pension Funds hold about as much of our debt as China and Japan but the majority of our debt is held by the Fed. Thanks for playing though. ;)

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/biggest-holders-of-us-gov-t-debt.html
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Wrong. Most of our debt is held by the Federal Reserve. Bonds and Pension Funds hold about as much of our debt as China and Japan but the majority of our debt is held by the Fed. Thanks for playing though. ;)

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/biggest-holders-of-us-gov-t-debt.html
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To be fair to betsy, she never said anything about who holds most of the debt...and we did just borrow a ton of money from China not too long ago...but I don't want this to get too political and moved to the podium
 
Bucky Badger said:
To be fair to betsy, she never said anything about who holds most of the debt...and we did just borrow a ton of money from China not too long ago...but I don't want this to get too political and moved to the podium
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Okay, but if we're going to talk about deficits, lets get facts straight.

As I said in another thread, either we're serious about repairing the economy (which requires government spending) or we're serious about fixing the deficit (that isn't really what it seems) which puts us in a permanent depression.
 
Such an interesting topic. I hope that it stays within the boundaries of this section because I think it is an important issue that crosses over between sport and government.

We are in sad shape economically, Globally as well as in our own Country. Decisions are made every day about how our government spends taxpayer dollars. Some are legitimate, some are not.

But America does not have a draft for our military. We have an all-volunteer fighting force. There is a constant need to replenish the supply of brave men and women who are willing to do what is necessary to keep us free. There is money budgeted for advertising and promotion which is designed to bring attention to the benefits and pride one receives thru being part of our Military. As TRL said, I would prefer to see the sponsorship on a racecar as opposed to on a billboard. Like it or not, this money WILL be spent - be it on billboards, TV commercials, newspaper ads or ads on FaceBook (soon to be coming, I would bet!) And, BTW, there is consistent evaluation done on the effectiveness of various advertising methods. I'm willing to bet that advertising in NA$$CAR is one of the more effective methods for the Military.
I have no research to back this up, it's just a feeling I have.

I am just fine with it!!!
 
I don't have enough facts, if there are studies that demonstrate it is an effective recruiting tool, I dont have a problem.

If it just a sweetheart deal, then I am oppossed.

And Andy ii you want the governement to fuel the economy or to help during a recession they should at least be sensible measures that employ folks and deliver real jobs and a real stimulus to communties. Apart from saving GM, I am not seeing the wisdom in either GWB's or Obamas efforts.


It was more rah rah lets save Wal Street or just sendout a shot gun blast of borrowed money. The money could have been more evenly dispensed with more infrastructure projects and upgrades that would have also helped to nurture long term commerce across the board.


But the last big battle was more about the political players and who was going to win the battle of their own self serving melodramas, posturing with a big substance deficit from either side. It wasn't well crafted, but heys its just a debt against the peoples money no big deal for a player. Thats the problem we dont addrerss the core issues, it is just a battle of sides, as they are playing games with the peoples money.

When they want to get real I will be willingly to try some Krugman games, but not until then.
 
Thegroundpounder99 said:
Maybe they could put the money into the Walter Reed Military Hospital and help some returning vets instead of having celebs do it. Just wonderin .:confused:
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I totally agree with you. Unfortunately though, I think we're talking to different deals. I personally feel the programs they throw all the money at are the ones we shouldn't, and the ones they should they neglect, like the one you mentioned. As I mentioned, the way I understand it, it comes from a set recruiting fund to spend as they want. If they're gonna cut that recruiting fund to spread the money else where, great. But just to say they shouldn't sponsor a racecar and put up some billboards instead ain't gonna get the money to where it's needed or help the economy out.[/quote]

Right on the point, just what most of us said in the first half of the thread.
 
If we give Billions to Afghanistan what's 50 to 75 millions to a couple Nascar teams.
 
If we give Billions to Afghanistan what's 50 to 75 millions to a couple Nascar teams.
 
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