Should the usa Attack Iraq???

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smack500

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Many of our previous supporting countries are saying they would not support us on an attack of iraq, not to mension they just made a 40$ billion economic deal with russia. Many high government and military officials has made comments about attacking iraq in the future, but what does the american public think. Iraq invited several news agencies to all the warehouses that were supose to be carrying nukes but no nukes were in them. Whats your opinion on this matter???
 
I think we should, and will, attack Iraq. Even if Saddam is suddenly becoming generous and allowing UN weapons inspectors in, we're going in. That's because we know he's had several years to hide these weapons. The very fact that he's saying it's okay to look for them means that he knows we'll never find them. Okay, then. We'll have to do it the hard way, Saddam.

I don't take this too lightly, believe me. I dread the idea of a full-scale Middle East war, but sometimes you've just gotta do what you gotta do. If we fall asleep on the job for another couple of years, I think what happened on 9/11 will pale in comparison to the devastation of a nuclear or biological attack. It's time to be proactive, not reactive.

JMHO.
 
Yes, but not with all the advance warnings.

Saddaam is a terrorist, has "ethnicaly cleansed", probably is hiding Osama, and on and on.

I am personally tired of the US trying to be a benevolent babysitter while WE pay the tab.
 
i think that we will attack whether yall like it or not and frankly and if saddam is going down he will bring out the nuclear weapons and kill as many as he can---i heard earlier that it will take atleast 10 years to get rid of them-- so all we need to do and can do is that God will soon intervene or that i will go to heaven before all this crap hapens cuz i dont think i can handle it myself!
 
Nobody else is going to step up and do it, that didn't work in Germany in the thirties and it doesn't work now. The longer he goes unchecked the deeper the doo doo. (My 2 cents)
 
Originally posted by Walrus_3
Nobody else is going to step up and do it, that didn't work in Germany in the thirties and it doesn't work now.  The longer he goes unchecked the deeper the doo doo.  (My 2 cents)
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Walrus, I agree. But if we had been smarter in Nam we could have made a big difference.

GO IN THERE AND JUST DO IT.

I don't think the US has any REAL friends and we keep giving, and giving, and giving, and......................
 
I think what happened on 9/11 will pale in comparison to the devastation of a nuclear or biological attack. It's time to be proactive, not reactive.

I have to agree 100%. I recently read a book about biological wepons that were still being made. It is scarry to think about. I am worried about small pox! I am too young to have been vaccinated! I use to work in a virus production facillity and it would be very easy to hide a lab in a "cover" building. So the quicker we get in there and "take care" of the situation the better.
 
It would be a lot easier if the middle east tycoons didn't own Americas stock exchange,If they don't bless this attack,We may see a depression unlike any other.Once again we have sold ourselfs to the devil himself,and put us into a corner that won,t be easy to get out of. :( The core of all this is oil,and politics.
 
Yes. Violently, swiftly, thoroughly, completely, unrelentingly, and with particular malice.
 
You've certainly got a way with words, Ward. (I'm gonna start calling you that, if that's okay.) Very well put.
 
pbunch,
You make a good point, this country has sold itself down the river far too long, it will be a taste of bad medicine. But I believe the sooner the better in hopes of ever getting this country and economy back in balance.

Ward,
You said a mouthful man!!!
 
Originally posted by Walrus_3
When you use "USA" it should ALWAYS be capitalized!!!!!!
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Especially when you capitalize iraq in the same heading. :uhmnotsur
 
Originally posted by TN-Ward-Fan
Yes.  Violently, swiftly, thoroughly, completely, unrelentingly, and with particular malice.
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Ditto.

I think the posturing going on now and the reluctance of some present and past Republican leaders is all part of the poker game.

Unfortunately, the media are extremely dissappointed with Presidnet Bush's success and popularity. Just listen to their liberal bent that the war on terrorism is a failure because we don't have Osama Dead or Alive When the attack on Saddam begins, the press will revel in any failure and second guess any successes.
 
TWF comes closest to my feelings on this subject. I say garner support if you can.......if none there then just go it alone. All the excuses that the Arabs are not with us, the Europeans are not with us, the Chinese are not with us, the Russians are not with us, etc, etc.......to infinity......is not reason to egnore the very "Clear and Present Danger" (did anyone read that book?). Everyone says the Mideast will become a hotbed of hatred and terrorism........as if it's not already? You don't treat a cancer patient with candy, gifts and nice words......you go in and dig it out. Take the source plus all the infected organs too. Not a pretty thing to do........but if you have even the slightest chance of removing the problem then you have to take the chance and do it. Do it thoroughly and completely........not holds barred. Otherwise you are dead.......yeah you could be dead anyway, but I'm not one to just lay down and wait. Worried about the economy? Worried about your job? Worried about the gas to drive your car? I think you should be worrying about what you are going to do without your freedom........that is, if you are still alive!!

Where am I coming from? Try a Viet Nam vet that was spit on when I returned!! Don't let it happen again.........and it could if people let the "peace at all cost" types railroad us into doing what the consenus says is "best"..........the consenus doesn't know squat. Let the experts do it.........UNFETTERED!

My two cents...........no, that is more like a dimes worth.
 
DE W Duece,
Iffin' ya' wanna go for a quarters worth that's fine by me!!!!
 
I think suddam should be takin out of power but I do not think the USA is gonna attack iraq right now after russia just made that huge deal with them. I don't know about you but I dont want a country pissed off at us with 100s of nukes.While iraq is nothing we dont want to go to war with russia. Unless russia stops the deal with iraq or has a deal under the table with out government, I assume it will be awhile before we do anytype of full scale attack on iraq.
 
Also Yes I do love this country, but we need to stregnthen our borders big time I have been to mexico and canada and the checks comming back into the country were sad. From what I have seen at the borders I wouldn't be surprised if hundreds of al quada are here.Especially the way the fbi and cia get along you know that 3 of the people that hijacked those planes were on a watch list but yet because of the cia and fbis relationship, they were over here learning how to fly jets and everything.I hope 9/11 has has finnally got them to change there ways.
 
Originally posted by smack500
I think suddam should be takin out of power but I do not think the USA is gonna attack iraq right now after russia just made that huge deal with them. I don't know about you but I dont want a country pissed off at us with 100s of nukes.While iraq is nothing we dont want to go to war with russia. Unless russia stops the deal with iraq or has a deal under the table with out government, I assume it will be awhile before we do anytype of full scale attack on iraq.
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So the gamble is: We attack Iraq and Russia gets involved? I would say that is a non issue. Russia is goning to tangle with us over 40 billion when they wouldn't tangle for 40 years? That just sounds like another excuse for giving peace another chance......how many chances do we give? All this "let's be civil and nice" crap is really great in the ideal world, but this is not an ideal world and it's not addressing the problem. Just stalling.
 
Originally posted by smack500
Also Yes I do love this country, but we need to stregnthen our borders big time I have been to mexico and canada and the checks comming back into the country were sad. From what I have seen at the borders I wouldn't be surprised if hundreds of al quada are here.Especially the way the fbi and cia get along you know that 3 of the people that hijacked those planes were on a watch list but yet because of the cia and fbis relationship, they were over here learning how to fly jets and everything.I hope 9/11 has has finnally got them to change there ways.
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That is only part of the problem.......you have to get to where it starts. It doesn't start at the borders with Mexico and Canada. Border security should be and is being beefed up........but that is not going to stop terrorism. It will just plug one hole.......one of an infinite number of holes. We cannot isolate ourselves from the world.......stop the source. Don't do bandade maintenance.
 
I completely agree, DE.

It's fascinating how pervasive political correctness is that there are still folks out there who would risk our very life as a nation in favor of waiting for an international consensus from countries who, many of them, despise and disrespect us regularly.

In the meantime, deadly poisons are accumulated, dirty bombs assembled, plans organized and well rehearsed. One day soon, they will come into fruition. I only hope it's not in NY again.

An Iraqi invasion won't prevent more attacks from happening. As DE said, we've ignored the problem for so long and now it's huge and ugly. Removing it will necessarily be quite messy, given the size and scope of the tumor. It might even precipitate future attacks here, but none that weren't in the works already. In a few years, when most if not all of the filthy terrorists have been routed, we might have something approaching sanity.

Put another way, if we don't invade Iraq, what goes on in the streets of Jerusalem and Tel Aviv everyday could be a way of life for Americans too.
 
That's just one more reason you should move south.;) I get a early warning sometimes on the bombings. I live 90 miles due east of Barksdale AFB, and when a squad. of B-52's fly over I know it. They have made many trips from there to the middle east in the past and I bet they will make some more. I say take the war to them before they bring it to us.
 
Originally posted by Tabasco
That's just one more reason you should move south.;)   I get a early warning sometimes on the bombings.  I live 90 miles due east of Barksdale AFB, and when a squad. of B-52's fly over I know it.  They have made many trips from there to the middle east in the past and I bet they will make some more.  I say take the war to them before they bring it to us.
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Good point Tab......I live only 3 miles east of Dobbins AFB. No B-52s but lots of F15s, F16s, choppers and C5As. I am in the flight path, but hardly notice on an average day. The National Guard also flies out and mobilizes right here. When is gets TOO busy, I know something's up and turn on the tube.
 
Originally posted by abooja
I completely agree, DE.  

It's fascinating how pervasive political correctness is that there are still folks out there who would risk our very life as a nation in favor of waiting for an international consensus from countries who, many of them, despise and disrespect us regularly.  

In the meantime, deadly poisons are accumulated, dirty bombs assembled, plans organized and well rehearsed. One day soon, they will come into fruition. I only hope it's not in NY again.

An Iraqi invasion won't prevent more attacks from happening. As DE said, we've ignored the problem for so long and now it's huge and ugly. Removing it will necessarily be quite messy, given the size and scope of the tumor. It might even precipitate future attacks here, but none that weren't in the works already. In a few years, when most if not all of the filthy terrorists have been routed, we might have something approaching sanity.  

Put another way, if we don't invade Iraq, what goes on in the streets of Jerusalem and Tel Aviv everyday could be a way of life for Americans too.
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hey Abooja
your a new yorker...............where were you when 9 11 happened?
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How about this $hit or get off the pot,Stop talkin,And start chalkin.I hate worry,Lets figure out where the chips are going to land.
 
what do you all think about americans harrasing and attacking other american citizens that are from or there ancestors are from a middle eastern country?
 
I agree with what most of you are saying in attacking iraq, but if we attack other middle eastern countries after that I think we need to be really carefull. We do not want what happened in korea to happen here, I mean when we attacked north korea china steped in and drove us out. I mean we need to make arangements with suronding countrys.
 
Originally posted by pbunch
How about this $hit or get off the pot,Stop talkin,And start chalkin.I hate worry,Lets figure out where the chips are going to land.
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Let the chips fall where they may......we know what will happen if Saddam is left to do his will. Way past talking stage.......even past $hittin' stage........time to wake up and climb out of the hole we've dug (and allowed others to help dig). If you are waiting for guarentees in life then just sit and do nothing (or talk, make concessions and excuses, let the UN decide what to do, or some other delaying ploy) and watch many more United States citizens die at the hands of terrorists.......that is about the only guarentee I see on the horizon. Attacking Iraq, Iran, Syria, North Korea, or any other rogue terrorist nation may bring many consquences that are unpleasant.........but we will deal with that too. Better than sitting waiting for the enivitable. At least we would have some semblance of control of what happens.
 
Originally posted by smack500
what do you all think about americans harrasing and attacking other american citizens that are from or there ancestors are from a middle eastern country?
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Never acceptable Smack.........but humans being human, that happens. We have laws to help prevent that. That's not a reason to consider when trying to stop terrorism.
 
Amen Brother Wrangler,I remember when I got the balls up to punch that bully down the street,Life didn't seem so bad after all.;)
 
Originally posted by smack500
I agree with what most of you are saying in attacking iraq, but if we attack other middle eastern countries after that I think we need to be really carefull. We do not want what happened in korea to happen here, I mean when we attacked north korea china steped in and drove us out. I mean we need to make arangements with suronding countrys.
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The problem with North Korea is that we allowed the world to sway us into not completing the job......China didn't "drive us out of Korea". The "consensus" of the world drove us out of Korea. Same thing with Viet Nam. Complete what we start......halfass is what caused us problems there.

Like I said before. Get a consensus if we can.......if not, then we go it alone. Our first responsibility is to protect ourselves....if Europe or the Arabs won't join us then so be it. While we're busy protecting ourselves they will just have to fend for themselves. BTW, bet they come on board if we do attack Iraq.

And why do you keep warning about being careful? I think we've been very careful......and it's getting to the point that we are being overly careful. Too much caution and we could end up losing a lot more than we would if we just took the "devil may care attitude".
 
I need to get off this subject.......I guess everyone knows where I stand so I'll just leave it where it's at.:)

And I would like to apologize if I might have offended anyone with anything I might have said. I've taken no offense and hope no one has taken any from me. Good night and type at you tomorrow!!:)
 
I refuse to immerse myself in a political debate here. But I am going to make one point. If I offend anyone, too damn bad. If you disagree with me, that's wonderful...this IS still America and thankfully and by the blood of untold thousands, you have that right.

To all the politically correct, peace at all costs, consensus matters zealots who may read this either here or elsewhere: Defend YOUR position for a change. The onus is not on freedom loving Americans to defend our opinions...opinions drawn from history's valuable lessons...from your trendy, coffeehouse way of "thinking". By your logic, this country would be West England. Let me make one thing perfectly clear. These people who did these things on September 11, 2001. These monsters who hijacked planes and flew them into buildings. They don't play by ANY rules. Get that? They don't play fair. Why the f**k should we? One more thing, my misguided brethren. Do you honest to God (yes I said God, you remember Him?) think for one nanosecond that your ways of thinking would have stopped them IF IT HAD BEEN YOU ON ONE OF THOSE PLANES? I bet that there were people in those planes, in those buildings, who share your philosophy. Or rather, shared it. They don't anymore, you know. They died. All of them. Didn't matter who they were, what they believed, or how they would have dealt with it. They are dead. Not because we as Americans "failed to recognize their beliefs". Not by any fault of their own. They died because the people who did this hate us. They hate every one of us. They hate you even as you defend their right to kill you. Feel stupid now?

I apologize for the length of this post, but DAMN that felt good. Never forget, never forgive. Blow up some ass, W.
 
DE wrangler 2 um China sent in military units that were 3 to 4 times larger then our units at the last few weeks of the war (we actually did stay for awhile and continued to fight them,and then our government decided they did not want to be in a full scale war with china so we just kept south korea under control and left north alone).TN-WARD-fan I think we all agree with you to a certain degree well atleast I do, alot of people in the middle east hate us but not all. I don't think theres one thing you can say that everyone does that lives at a certain place.
 
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