should "Tire Management" return to Nascar ??

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only old fellers like me remember tha ole " bias ply tire " races.
may have fastest car......but use ya tires up......tha few other fast " tire mgt" guys passed by.

watchin last f1 race...same thing. on pirelli tires now.
maybe goodyear should do something similar ??

1 set sticky......all tha rest hard. teams choose when ta use 'em ?

possible ???
 
Hmmm. Maybe. I don't know. There still are a lot of fuel management races in NASCAR. And, I think pit crews (and pit stops) are more important in NASCAR because they have more to do than F1 with less guys in less space.
 
off topic !! never mentioned fuel !
an f1 pit stops are a joke ! ha!

when they asked jr johnson "how do ya win at darlington ?"
he gave 'em 1 word-----"tares" ........ha!
 
My point was, as much as I like what F1 did with tires and tire strategy, I don't think NASCAR needs to do that to create drama because pit crew + fuel plays a role in NASCAR.

Plus, I do think tires play a role in NASCAR. Look at Las Vegas this year just a few weeks ago when Kenseth on old tires had to frantically hold off Kahne on new tires. Now that was exciting.
 
agreed ! but takin 2 or 4 is a "vegas strategy" ........hit or bust ! not 4 tire mgt.
look at all tha "take 2 " guys that went back in tha pack.

just think..............lead changes...when guys use sticky's early...etc
 
teams------"ya got only 1 sticky set"----when do ya use 'em ?
gotta change all 4 when ya do.
 
There are a lot of things NASCAR could do and making tires an issue would be one. I like the idea of limiting teams to sets of tires like they do in every other racing league in the country. But right now, I wouldn't mess with anything. The racing has been amazing.
 
the reason tire management isn't an issue anymore is because they are trying to use "green" products to make the tires. tire management as it currently stands as I see it this year is this. on a big track tires have been worth some good speed for the first 5-6 laps then the tires are no better or worse than 30 lap tires. so imagine a guy who stays out on old tires guys behind have new tires. the guys behind are able to run about a second a lap faster so that means the old tire guy should expect to be 5-6 seconds off the lead by lap 5 or 6 also a factor is how fast his car is and was and how fast the other guys are behind him. if something happens and people get bottled up and he can pull say 2 seconds on the guys behind him thats when things get interesting. because it may be tuff by the time the guys behind catch up to have enough "new" in the tires to make the pass. clean air is also a factor. in some cases if a guy is running 12th stays out on the old tires, when everything shakes out being 5-6 seconds off the lead is a huge improvement vs a half lap down in 12th.

but I think the problem is these tires have taken alot of strategy out of the race. its hurt people who are good at saving tires. I think it also means the cars are running too much the same speeds. any variables that can be introduced to make the cars run different speeds is a good thing.
 
It won't as long as there is only one supplier. It's bad marketing to have people trashing your tires for wearing out, regardless of the impact on the racing.
 
BobbyFord said:
I think tires are already enough of an issue. I wouldn't want to see anything jeopardize the quality of racing we've seen so far this year.
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Tires were key at the end of the Fontana race, and I liked it for sure. We didn't get to see new tires blasting thru the field because the 18 and 22 were putting on one hell of a show up front, but Denny got there in just 5 laps after taking 4 and then the show really started. It was damn impressive how the 22 put up such a tough fight with old tires.
 
hidesert cowboy said:
the reason tire management isn't an issue anymore is because they are trying to use "green" products to make the tires..
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Huh? We saw great racing on those 'green' tires, far better than the CoT gave us on the old 'non-green' compounds. It's all about the car weight, and the new car is lighter than the CoT was. This is allowing Goodyear to soften the tires a little without risking too many blow outs.

I hope this trend toward softer compounds and a more flexable sidewall continue, because tire management is the key to great racing all day long. Heck, Denny probably had a chance to win at Fontana because he was forced to the back and Darien was able to bring him in for tires during that late caution.
 
Trucks and NNW are limited in the number of tires used. Why not Cup? I think I've heard Nascar say
they're all for cutting costs and making racing more affordable for the teams.
FWIW I know a win is a win but winning on fuel mileage isn't the same to me as winning with the fastest car..
 
I think Goodyear gets input from NASCAR about how hard or soft to make the tires for a given track. Sometimes they get it wrong like in Indy years ago (mandatory cautions for tires every 20 laps). Goodyear makes tires for a given race/track months in advance guessing on the typical weather and track conditions and what NASCAR wants for typical wear. Teams can mess up tire wear with the car setup as we saw in Phoenix. Tire management is always in play no matter what tire is supplied.
 
I don't know that the fiasco at Indy was due to the tires as much as it was the track just chewing the tires into dust because of the diamond grinding.
 
sloggie said:
It won't as long as there is only one supplier. It's bad marketing to have people trashing your tires for wearing out, regardless of the impact on the racing.
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good point !
after hoosier/goodyear debacle...not sure they'll try that again ?
plus....who'd go up against goodyear now ?
 
Tire mgt should return. I hate the way the tires are now. There just is no drop off in speeds. Way back when a driver would run 85 percent and save his stuff for the end. The good tire managers would come to the front. Now a days, you run 110 percent every lap because there is no penality for doing so. I loved the racing back when there were bias ply tires. You could tell when they were going flat out because smoking the rears was a common deal coming out of the turns.

Nascar has just become too generic.
 
Tires were a pretty big deal at Bristol. Lefts only took Jeff out of the race and put Jimmie in the wall. I don't remember exactly what the #11's strategy was but one of Hamlin's tires went out towards the end of the race and he rode the wall for the last ten or so laps.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
I don't know that the fiasco at Indy was due to the tires as much as it was the track just chewing the tires into dust because of the diamond grinding.
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Charlotte was diamond ground before Indy; it didn't have the same problems. Goodyear missed the mark.

You want tire management? Be at the Rock in ten days and watch the Trucks get their rubber ground off. Then push for Darlington to get a second weekend.
 
Like everybody else has said, don't mess with anything at the moment.
 
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