Small Tanks at Daytona

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I read last night that Nascar is mandating the 13.5 gal tanks for the 500. What do all of you think of this and do you think it is really helped the pack racing on the plate tracks?
 
I think its a good idea. I think when the 40 car pack is broken up into 4 10car packs for those 3-6 laps, it gives the drivers a mental break.
 
Yeh but it didn't really seem to solve the problem at Dega last fall. I think it is just a band- aid for a major injury!
 
I lie the idea. It did help some. Liek DirtyMo said it gives the drivers a little break for a few minutes untill the pack gets back into 1. Each time they do pit a couple cars lose the draft so it does take a few cars out of the pack untill there is a yellow.
The thing that will be cool to see is Pitstops during the 125s, which is really goign to hurt the small teams.
 
It didn't solve the problem of the large pack of cars, but it did break it up --- a little. It's a small band-aid for a big problem.

NASCAR is so lucky that no problems occurred on pit road.

It will make the 125s very interesting.

I will keep my fingers crossed. I love the 500, but can't breathe until it's over. Have to go through this 4 times a year. "It ain't racin'."
 
From the title of the thread, I thought we we're going to be seeing battlebots.
 
Lol good one....yeh i think that pit road accidents will happen and the 125s will be very interesting. I can't breathe very well either in those plate races, it seems any second a disaster is about to occur.....definetly not my style of racing.
 
Another stupid idea. God NASCAR is full of them.

Throw away the plates, make them run a 9/1 motor, lay down the spoiler and let them race.

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My feelings exactly de7, been preaching that for a long time , but nascar wants that drama of the "big one" about to happen at any second. My feeling is that it attracts new fans to sport. The die hard, purest fans, who really know what racing is all about understand that this form of racing is crazy.
 
DH, this argument is very much like the one we've been having about moving dates from one track to another and some tracks losing dates. It's a business thing and plate races have always brought the excitement to the crowd. We know why it excites, but that's life. NASCAR wants to keep the speeds down at those tracks and this is their way of doing it. The rest just come about because of that, and that sells tickets.

Years ago, a friend of mine from Ohio and I had this little thing going called point/counterpoint we did for a newsletter a bunch of us subscribed to. It wasn't an ezine, before all of that. Anyway, one of the things we debated was why do people come to see racing. He said that the majority of them come to see a wreck. I disagreed with him. It was a fun column and the next week, we did something else. At that time, I believed that most of the race fans were purist and it was the racing they were watching. Today, I'm not so sure. Even I, way back in my dinky little brain, am thinking about a wreck about most every race. Though I don't want to see it happen, I think about it. I guess for me that a part of the excitement. Racing on the edge and knowing it could happen at the next turn. I do know that when there is a wreck, even the simplest of wreck, I will watch all the reruns they show of it. Maybe I'm sadistic in that way, but I hope not. As I said, I hope there are no wrecks.
 
I think we are all in awe when a wreck happens, amazed that everyone usually escapes with no injuries or minor ones. Myself, i enjoy the side by side racing of a close race, not the pack racing. Did you ever watch the old races on the plate tracks from the 70s on Speed? No big packs, no huge wrecks, and the cars were able to pass each other. I know we have done all kinds of polls on this subject and i'm not going to post another one, but i believe the majority of true race fans would love to see the plates gone. I think everyone here knows my solution to this problem, i'm not going into it again, but Nascar doesn't want this and like you said it sells races( all the drama of the big one). Sad isn't it that Daytona and Dega have come down to who can avoid the big one.....simply put IT SUCKS!:(
 
Ah yes, the old days when a sling shot move was a must. When we talked about moving dates around, one of the suggestions was to begin the season at Daytona and end it there. That would be great if it were like the old days, but not today. Not one team would want to wait until the end of the season to chance a title at a plate track. Those tracks are now just for the shear excitement. They aren't even the fastest tracks either. When Elliott set the track records, now that was real excitement! Oh for the old days.
 
Yeh old Bill new how to get around Dega and Daytona back in the 80s, something tells me he might be one to watch this year too. Those spoilers were so small back in the 70s too, gave tha car back to the driver as it should be.
 
I just don't know. If Bill can stay up front, he will stay there, but if he gets shuffled back, he'll go all the way to the back for safety's sake. If the pack does get separated, that will hurt him. If on the other hand, he is in the lead pack near the end of the race, he'll be charging up as hard as he can. I am still loving the fact that Bill has won three races since Rusty. :D
 
I'm just glad Daytona is the first race. It gives unfortunate victims of the "big one" quite a while to recover. At least until the next time they slap the plates on.:rolleyes:
 
Not only small spoilers, but a smaller displacement engine would fix the problem....i'm not getting into this argument again, we discussed this in detail on a thread about a mont ago. It won't happen though until the fans stop going to the plate races,unfortunately us purests that appreciate what racing really is have to suffer with the horrible plate races. Just my humble opinion....i have been a Nascar fan for over 35 years and i remember when there was REAL racing on plate tracks!
 
How much money would be saved if NASCAR banned wind tunnel testing ? Now that the sheet metal has to be hung in a constant manner all cars techincally (sp?) should be the same ,short track, 1 1/2 mile and superspeedway.
No slick bodies, 9/1 motor, lay down the spoiler (how many remember when you could tell a speedway car simply by looking at the rear spoiler) dump the plates and let them go.

But that would never happen saves to much money and is to simple of an idea.
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Originally posted by de7xwcc
How much money would be saved if NASCAR banned wind tunnel testing ? Now that the sheet metal has to be hung in a constant manner all cars techincally (sp?) should be the same ,short track, 1 1/2 mile and superspeedway.  
No slick bodies, 9/1 motor, lay down the spoiler (how many remember when you could tell a speedway car simply by looking at the rear spoiler) dump the plates and let them go.
 
But that would never happen saves to much money and is to simple of an idea.
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It isn't all the simple. These guys are racing for over $4,000,000 this year and they all want as much as they can get. To do so, they are spending more and more money to get it. It's a never ending battle. Also, it isn't just what you see on the outside or the motors that make a difference. Down force can be created under the cars as well and down force is what it's all about. I read somewhere that they can remove the shifter boot and gain more downforce, but of course, we know that will allow more carbon monoxide into the cars so where's the trade off? If the purse were still about $100,000, we'd be back to where most of us really enjoyed the racing. Money makes it all happen.
 
Money as in attendance at the races, not money as in purses. Nascar wants to put excitement , as in waiting for the big one to happen, into the plate races. By having the plate races travel around in tight packs all day that creates major excitement for the fans especially new ones. Nascar won't change this,no matter how much we complain, it makes money for them. The teams have to shell out the big bucks to be competitive on these tracks, to gain any minute edge they can. Any possible horsepower gain or aero makes a world of difference on a plate track. All the R&D costs big bucks, if they didn't have to worry about it ,the plate races would be so much less expensive for them. So if the purse was $100,000 and the rules were the same the racing would be too.
 
DH, I was talking about the total purse for the Cup title. If it were only $100,000, the teams wouldn't spend so much money on testing (couldn't afford it) and as such, the racing would be different and the attendence would be less. So, as you say, they want the attendence up, so the purse goes up and so does the R&D. Bruton Smith said it right...you make the purse big enough and they will come. When they come, so will the fans. But then again, it all depends on how much money sponsors are willing to give a team.
 
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