some tech info on the gen 6 car

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I am not just a fan of the sport but I am also equally if not more interested on the technical aspects of the cars. Its pretty tuff as a fan these days to get access to that stuff as well as the different rules changes but here is what I do know. The new gen 6 car isn't really new other than mainly a new body on the car. There has been weight taken out of the car and an additional front roof role bar added at the top windshield area. Many teams are running the same cars from last year just with modifications made to them. I think all the cars SHR has ran this year have been cars run in years past. Some teams run alot of newer cars while some others tend to cycle through the cars they bring to the track. It also could provide some insight as to which teams are funded better than others. penske seems like they are running new cars alot, followed probably by HMS the rest of the big teams are probably about equal as far as the number of new cars they race.

to go with the new car is some rules changes all of which I am sure I don't know but one I do know is for years we saw the cars have alot of crab in them as they went straight. I am sure nascar felt that giving the cars more brand identity and in particular the sides of the cars being different from make to make that this would help certain makes and hurt others. so they have mandated the crab out of the cars essentially and instead allowed alot more camber in the rear end. with the old pre COT cars the bodies were mounted skewed, which could be the reason dale jr in particular says the car feels more like the old cars. running that much rear steer in the car had to take alot of getting used to. This has been criticized by chad knaus because he feels like it takes more tools and options away from the crew chief. in this case I don't think nascar could do anything else. The sides of these cars are different and adding crab back to the cars would open a can of worms with complaints about different makes having an advantage. we saw IMO one of the worst races for passing that I have personally watched at phoenix. yeah there were changes in the running order but that was on pit road mainly. I think part of the reason nascar has had trouble with lack of passing is the cars are TOO MUCH the same. how do you pass a car that is running the same times as you are. There seems to be less and less fall off with tires these days, so that can't be a factor. used to be a guy could do a better job of managing his tires and come on late in runs. This is further hurt by tracks with all the new pavement.

now for some opinions, the barn door spoiler could this be to keep the teams from using any skew in the car because that much blade in the air is going to make the cars tight and it would be beneficial to try to keep it out of the air more?? so the track bar in particular would work better adjusted to how nascar wants it. the other is the plate tracks I think the fix is to ad more blade this would add back in some draftyness to the cars. make them handle a bit better and keep the cars from being glued to the high line. I am sure there are people who know alot more about this stuff than I do, please chime in.
 
The thing I have been wondering that hasn't been talked about much is whether the chassis of the new cars are the same as the COT chassis or at least a modified version. Those COT cars drove terrible not because of the bodies. If the Gen6 car is just a modified COT with a new body, that's not improving the racing that much.
 
The thing I have been wondering that hasn't been talked about much is whether the chassis of the new cars are the same as the COT chassis or at least a modified version. Those COT cars drove terrible not because of the bodies. If the Gen6 car is just a modified COT with a new body, that's not improving the racing that much.

That's pretty much what it is. They shaved 150 lbs off, and most of that came from the carbon fiber hood and deck lid. It still weighs 3450 at race time, and that's way too much for the size tires they use at those speeds. Goodyear tried a SLIGHTLY softer tire at Phoenix, and 7 blew up. Goodyear says melted beads, some teams say it wasn't the bead. This could get us right back to the rock hard tires we've been tortured with the last 5 years.
 
What ever happened to the "taller' tire there was talk off a few years ago? Going to 16 or 18 inch rims .
 
YES the chassis is the same with the exception like I said of the additional halo roll bar near the upper part of the windshield. THE BODY IS THE DIFFERENCE. couple with further rules changes in regard to the suspension setup mainly in the area of adjustable limits. I guess what I am saying is this car has even less tools or options for the crew chief to pick from. I personally don't think the COT car raced that bad. I contend the problems with passing is the cars are too much the same. I may be jumping the gun the REAL test is later this week in vegas. That is where the real judgement will take place at this point. IMO they have got to make it so that a car that is capable of leading the race isn't stuck in 17th place and not able to move forward, or vise versa a 17th place car should not be able to lead the race for very long. look at JPM in the 42 car he even lead the race at one point. that car wasn't very good all day. I also think figuring out a way to get some tire wear back will help alot. I remember the old darlington and atlanta there was alot of comers and goers on those tracks. tire wear was the common denominator.

somone talked about bigger tires. to me this would be a mistake. I think LESS corner speed for the cars will help racing and more will hurt it.
 
What ever happened to the "taller' tire there was talk off a few years ago? Going to 16 or 18 inch rims .

That would require a whole new frame design, so it clearly isn't in the cards. Instead of fixing the real issues, we got lipstick on a pigs ass.
 
That would require a whole new frame design, so it clearly isn't in the cards. Instead of fixing the real issues, we got lipstick on a pigs ass.

That was kind of my point. Another problem has been the rock hard tires. But even a track like Atlanta, where tire wear is excessive, didn't produce much of a race last year.
 
The thing I have been wondering that hasn't been talked about much is whether the chassis of the new cars are the same as the COT chassis or at least a modified version. Those COT cars drove terrible not because of the bodies. If the Gen6 car is just a modified COT with a new body, that's not improving the racing that much.
The gen 6 car was built to appease the manufacturers ,who deserved to have a recognizable brand , and the fans who complained about the ugly cot . This 'improved racing ' thing , is the part of the media hype around the gen 6 car that was totally off the mark and unrealistic from the start . Who , what or why , this rumor ever started is mysterious.
 
The gen 6 car was built to appease the manufacturers ,who deserved to have a recognizable brand , and the fans who complained about the ugly cot . This 'improved racing ' thing , is the part of the media hype around the gen 6 car that was totally off the mark and unrealistic from the start . Who , what or why , this rumor ever started is mysterious.

Jeez, I thought you were a nascar fan.
 
There seemed to be quite a bit of racing going on behind the leader, it was just the lead changes under green that was not happening. NASCAR has for years tried to figure out a way to get more racing at the front. Still have a ways to go it seems.
 
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