Something I've always wondered...

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Why does Clint get the blame for the Martinsville, it was bought up again on here cause of the spin and people thought it was to pay Jeff back for Phoenix, which was suppose to be Jeff paying him back for Martinsville, but the thing is if you WATCH the video of the wreck Newman hit Clint into Jeff causing the wreck, so why does Clint get the blame for this? I've wondered this forever now.



watch the video, I tried to put it at 45 seconds when it starts the reply, but not sure if it worked. But Newman clearly gets into him from behind and sends him into Jeff, now explain to me how this is Clint's doing?

Sorry in advance if this thread causes trouble, I just been wanting to know for some time now and everyone always just says it was his fault, but never explain what he he could have did different.
 
Not dive bombed into 3 wide situation into a hair pin turn like an idiot. If he really wanted a shot he could have used his push to push Gordon passed Johnson (bringing himself passed Johnson on the inside too) and tried to pass Gordon on the final lap, like a sane driver. Bowyer totally knocked out HMS chance for 200 wins at a track that means the most to HMS, but you didn't see Johnson's or Gordon's crew come running after Clint to fight him. They showed the real composure of champions, unlike Clint and his crew did at PIR. Now after Richmond you know who Clint really is & he never deserves to be anywhere as nearly successful as Gordon or JJ
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Not dive bombed into 3 wide situation into a hair pin turn like an idiot. If he really wanted a shot he could have used his push to push Gordon passed Johnson (bringing himself passed Johnson on the inside too) and tried to pass Gordon on the final lap, like a sane driver. Bowyer totally knocked out HMS chance for 200 wins at a track that means the most to HMS, but you didn't see Johnson's or Gordon's crew come running after Clint to fight him. They showed the real composure of champions, unlike Clint. Now you know who Clint really is & he never deserves to be anywhere as nearly successful as Gordon or JJ
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He got HIT there, if you get bumped from behind your car gets SHOT forward and you can't control that, so again tell me how he's at fault? It's common sense here that either way Clint's car would have hit Jeff and turned him around no matter if it was from under or behind from the force that all started with Newman's bump. Try again.
 
Clint was already going down a bit, and got hit by Newman if you watch, he didn't go down after being hit by Newman so he had no way to use his push to push Jeff, how's that even possible to be start with?
 
Also Blaze, Bowyer put a block on Newman. All Bowyers doing, that let to the dive bomb and the spin outs.

If Bowyer doesn't try to block Newman none of that would have occured.
 
Oh so Clint gets hit by Newman & he just gets a boost & if Bowyer hits Gordon, the 24 goes for a spin? Hypocrite. Yea, no. Clint channeled his inner Denny Hamlin & did the stupidest thing possible at Martinsville.
 
reck said:
Also Blaze, Bowyer put a block on Newman. All Bowyers doing, that let to the dive bomb and the spin outs.

If Bowyer doesn't try to block Newman none of that would have occured.
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From what it looks like to me, Clint went down at the EXACT same time Newman was going there, almost as if Clint was trying to get in postion to make the pass on the backstench, Now I could be wrong, but I don't see him 100% at fault, Newman has to take some blame.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
That's called a block
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As in he went down there before he knew Newman was, as in there was NO way he knew Newman was going there, are you keeping up? When it's a block most of the time the other is going down a split second before and he'll see it, if you move at the EXACT same time, how do you know he's going there?
 
Blaze88 said:
From what it looks like to me, Clint went down at the EXACT same time Newman was going there, almost as if Clint was trying to get in postion to make the pass on the backstench, Now I could be wrong, but I don't see him 100% at fault, Newman has to take some blame.
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Clint wouldn't have been in a position to be on Gordon's inside yet. Not on that first corner anyway. You said it yourself. It was Newman's punt that helped sent Bowyer up to Gordon's inside.

Bowyer saw Newman coming and thought it was a good idea to block knowing what would happen.

Newman was a factor, no doubt but Clint was the one who made all the stupid moves.
 
reck said:
Clint wouldn't have been in a position to be on Gordon's inside yet. Not on that first corner anyway. You said it yourself. It was Newman's punt that helped sent Bowyer up to Gordon's inside.

Bowyer saw Newman coming and thought it was a good idea to block knowing what would happen.

Newman was a factor, no doubt but Clint was the one who made all the stupid moves.
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He could have got it on the back, Gordon and Johnson was on old tires, no way they would have held them off and Clint could have got the move on the back, which is why I think he set up for and Newman was making the same move and both just happen to be going there the same time, Newman had the edge a little on speed and happened to get into him. As I also said, no matter what way you look at it anyway you can't fully blame Clint there, and people always overlook Newman as if he wasn't there.
 
Blaze88 said:
As in he went down there before he knew Newman was, as in there was NO way he knew Newman was going there, are you keeping up? When it's a block most of the time the other is going down a split second before and he'll see it, if you move at the EXACT same time, how do you know he's going there?
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If you watch the video as the cars roll under the camera on the restart, Newman obviously make a move to the inside of CB at the line. CB moves down low to block & instead of riding the push he makes a full on move to the inside of Gordon & Jimmie. Idiotic. Ride the push, & set up the 2 man battle on the final lap and settle it out then. Obviously Clint lacks the ability to think ahead or he wouldn't have made that move or wouldn't have gone along with MWR's blatant cheating ways.
 
Blaze88 said:
He could have got it on the back, Gordon and Johnson was on old tires, no way they would have held them off and Clint could have got the move on the back, which is why I think he set up for and Newman was making the same move and both just happen to be going there the same time, Newman had the edge a little on speed and happened to get into him. As I also said, no matter what way you look at it anyway you can't fully blame Clint there, and people always overlook Newman as if he wasn't there.
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All the more reason to pick and choose where you'll make the pass. It was stupid to try to pass him on the get go.

Like I said before, even on old tires Gordon had a decent restart. You could clearly see at least half a car lenght between Gordon and him so the restart was good.

As a driver you can look in the back mirrot and anticipate what the other car is getting ready to do.
 
You guys are still going at it about a race from last year ?

fanatics indeed . . .
 
pjmolo said:
You guys are still going at it about a race from last year ?

fanatics indeed . . .
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Good stuff, huh? This thread is a great example of a NASCAR fans dedication to the sport. We all see the same thing differently due to the passion for our drivers and the racing. I could put a stop to this thread by giving my view, the correct view of what happened that day but it's more fun to watch it continue. ;)

It's a joke people; get over it.
 
This discussion is new to me so I welcome it.

As some of you know, I took a long ass break from here so I welcome any discussions from the past....to catch up with you guys. :D
 
When many were hammering Kahne for not dumping the #20 at Bristol, the feeling seemed to be short track, end of race, anything goes.

I don't have the time to cross reference who all thinks that dumping Gordon and Johnson was sacrilege but gooning up Kenseth was pefectly acceptable but you know who you are ;)
 
reck said:
This discussion is new to me so I welcome it.

As some of you know, I took a long ass break from here so I welcome any discussions from the past....to catch up with you guys. :D
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Well you're welcome for starting it

I would still love to hear peoples view on this, I can't remember to much of what everyone posted back then, so let's keep it going and see if anyone has any views not yet stated here.
 
Yeah I have a view, if memory serves we destroyed two threads about this last year, one because the yelling and name calling got out of hand and another for
but it was fun while it lasted. :D
 
#17D500winner said:
When many were hammering Kahne for not dumping the #20 at Bristol, the feeling seemed to be short track, end of race, anything goes.

I don't have the time to cross reference who all thinks that dumping Gordon and Johnson was sacrilege but gooning up Kenseth was pefectly acceptable but you know who you are ;)
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Head to head battling and maybe wrecking someone for a win is different than blindsighting someone with a dive bomb. ;)
 
Johali said:
Yeah I have a view, if memory serves we destroyed two threads about this last year, one because the yelling and name calling got out of hand and another for
but it was fun while it lasted. :D
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Well as long as the thread doesn't go down the name calling route we should be good, I'm glad to hear what people have to say about it, maybe it's old but it was bought back up this week already so I figured why not expand on it and see it from all sides.

Clint made a bad move is one thing we see, we also see where Newman gave the push. Take out just one of them actions and you possibly have a way different outcome, rather it's just Gordon spinning, or no one spinning, or maybe Newman getting the blame if Clint had stayed where he was. We'll never know for sure but isn't it find to debate things?
 
Like everything else, if its not their driver its wrong, if it is their driver its right. Kahne didnt wreck kenseth, people say that he doesnt have the drive in him or the balls to do it. If clint does it, its because hes a reckless moron. Same happens when drivers speak their mind or dont. If they are all politcally correct all the time and say what is expected then they are fake and have no passion. If they do speak their mind then they are "whiney" and "have a big mouth". It all comes down to being hypocritical or being very blind to the other side of things.

my .02
 
I actually don't have a problem with what Bowyer did at Martinsville last year. He was racing for the win like any other driver would in his situation. I had more of a problem with Reutimann intentionally stalling out on track.

That said, I do not have the same feelings about Bowyer this time.
 
Blaze88 said:
Clint was already going down a bit, and got hit by Newman if you watch, he didn't go down after being hit by Newman so he had no way to use his push to push Jeff, how's that even possible to be start with?
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You must be on a fishing expedition surely....I mean you seriously wonder why people blame Bowyer for that effed up dive bomb into turn one?

Have you bonded with the white lab? Those seeing eye dogs are sooooo cute!
 
I think his attempt to win was stupid in nature, as he probably could've gotten by JJ and Gordon with his fresh tires at a more calculated position on the track. He was impatient and tried something extreme, but it was in an effort to win the race. I don't fault him too much for this - as mentioned above, the real ass that day was Reutimann. Jeff and Jimmie were poised to finish 1-2, but that obviously didn't play out.
 
reck said:
Also Blaze, Bowyer put a block on Newman. All Bowyers doing, that let to the dive bomb and the spin outs.

If Bowyer doesn't try to block Newman none of that would have occured.
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reck said:
3 out of 5 drivers will rough/wreck you for the win at any given race. Fact.
Specially when its the last corner of teh last lap.
Some of you are making it sound like he committed a crime. He did his job.
Back in the day this was sort of like a right of passage.
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ChexOrWrex said:
Not dive bombed into 3 wide situation into a hair pin turn like an idiot. If he really wanted a shot he could have used his push to push Gordon passed Johnson (bringing himself passed Johnson on the inside too) and tried to pass Gordon on the final lap, like a sane driver. Bowyer totally knocked out HMS chance for 200 wins at a track that means the most to HMS, but you didn't see Johnson's or Gordon's crew come running after Clint to fight him. They showed the real composure of champions, unlike Clint and his crew did at PIR. Now after Richmond you know who Clint really is & he never deserves to be anywhere as nearly successful as Gordon or JJ
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ChexOrWrex said:
Ok so on a road course your supposed to be content with second and not compete for a win in the last turn. Makes sense. And on the flip side look at Ambrose on Kes the year before - great use of the chrome horn & took the win. This is racing, not follow the leader.
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:confused:
 
Gordon had the dominant car and was clearly in position to win before Reutimann stopped on the track like an idiot. Then Bowyer bulled that BS on the restart (who goes 3 wide at Martinsville into turn 1, seriously?) and Gordon gets screwed again, as the 15 takes out P1 and P2 (the 24 and 48) bringing out ANOTHER caution, leading to another green-white-checker. This caused Gordon to run out of gas on the last lap. Unless you're FenderBumper, it's pretty easy to understand. If either Reutimann or Bowyer decides to use their brain, the 24 gets HMS their 200th win at the track that means so much to them after the 2004 tragedy. They deserved the win, but unfortunately it didn't happen.

It wasn't the first time Bowyer raced Gordon like an idiot in 2012, and it obviously wasn't the last.
 
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