SPEED to Become FOX Sports Network?

Jeffrey00 said:
Fox already have several Fox Sports Channels. Why add another one that people wont watch.
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As the article states, SPEED's the only one that's widely available. It makes sense. Most of the FOX Sports Net channels nationwide now fall under NBC Sports.
 
But what would be interesting is what happens to the motorsports divisions who have long term contracts with SPEED now. ARCA pays for their airtime on SPEED and they pay to reach a certain number of viewers. They won't allow FOX to take their money and shift it to a series that doesn't reach half their fanbase.

This is the exact same situation that led to the demise of ASA, and it happened under the exact same person.
 
Matthew2470 said:
Are you sure about that? I have like 60 different Fox Sports Net channels in my DIRECTV package but only 1 NBC Sports channel.
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Seven of the "FOX Sports Net" affiliates are actually "Comcast Sports Net" ("FOX Sports" affiliattes that encompass Richmond, DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Boston, Chicago and New York) stations that now fall under the NBC Sports banner.

FOX Sports does not have a dedicated FOX Sports channel in over 100 million homes. And, of all the FOX Sports properties mentioned every Sunday, I only have access to SPEED. My landlord has a $50/month soccer package on the cable lineup and we don't even get FOX Soccer Channel. Fuel TV is not an option.

Not to mention, as I have said repeatedly, when SPEED is not airing NASCAR programming or actual motorsports programming, they are one of the lowest rated networks, outranked by networks that aren't even available in tens of millions of homes. They have relaunched the network twice now and still cannot improve ratings across the board. All of the FOX networks were almost pulled off the air for several cable providers because FOX could not justify making cable providers pay as much as they were for SPEED. FX and FOX "News" Channel get great ratings. SPEED is the only basic-tier network FOX has that struggles to deliver consistent ratings.

This makes too much sense all around. SPEED needs a ratings boost, FOX needs a cable sports network, cable companies feel that they're getting ripped off by paying for SPEED and FOX doesn't want SPEED to be moved off of basic cable especially since NBC Sports Network has emerged as a legitimate network.
 
Will Fox launch all-sports network?


The earliest Fox would switch Speed into an all-sports network is 2014, sources say. That’s when the network’s rights deal with NASCAR ends, potentially freeing up space on the program schedule. That’s also the year when Fox has rights to broadcast the Super Bowl, and Fox could look to build off the promotion around the game for the channel launch. NBC had a similar strategy this year when it relaunched Versus as NBC Sports Network a month before the broadcast network carried this year’s Super Bowl.
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SBJ story says nothing is set in stone and move is couple years away, but NASCAR could be in 45 million fewer homes if on Fuel TV not Speed.

A bunch more info on this can be found here.
 
Fox is looking to create a national sports network the same as ESPN. The regional channels don't cut it. I guess they figure it's easier to take an existing channel with low ratings and change it than start from scratch (getting cable and satellite companies to start carrying it).

If this does happen, it will suck for lower tiers of racing such as ARCA, K&N East and West, World of Outlaws, and Lucas' series. They probably won't have anywhere to go unless Velocity opens up to carry them. Remember, the people running Velocity are the ones that ran Speed Vision years ago.
 
MOEJOE said:
Maybe, if they dumped the BS car junk shows, and stuck to racing, it would work. Maybe not.
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True. With all the racing series around the country they could easily find something to put on TV instead of an endless amount of Pimp my ride episodes. I guess it's the same thing as CMT or MTV not playing music and the History Channel giving Larry The Cable Guy his own show.
 
If Speed showed nothing but racing they'd be off the air quickly. As sad as it is, those crappy "reality" shows are helping to pay the bills over there.
 
Speed should just become the Nascar Network already. I mean isn't that really the only thing people tune into Speed for?
 
Specialty channels like Discovery , History , and Speed have a salary cap (so to speak). They are limited in how much they can spend by the revenue they take in. That said, they need to fill time with cheap shows so they can be around to broadcast shows that cost more. I am thankful for the Nascar programming that Speed provides but I realize that it is some of their most expensive programming . I understand that there will be times when they will be showing endless Pimp My Ride episodes.
 
Stewart Fan said:
Speed should just become the Nascar Network already. I mean isn't that really the only thing people tune into Speed for?
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I like a few shows, car warriors and stunt busters are the only two I ever really watch. Stunt Busters is the best non racing show to me though, it's neat to see how some of these movie stunts are done with the cars.
 
What else does everyone want/need broadcast that is NASCAR related? Just curious.

Currently, I see a good deal of NASCAR related broadcasts on SPEED starting with the practice sessions on Friday's. These guys/gals are basically at the track Friday-Sunday. SPEED seems to already handle quite a bit of NASCAR related programming during that same time period.
 
I would think that live broadcasting from the track must be the largest part of their budget ,by far.
 
Stewart Fan said:
Speed should just become the Nascar Network already. I mean isn't that really the only thing people tune into Speed for?
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Also don't know how I forgot about this, I had only actual shows on my mind but I tune into Speed for tons of racing, F1. Moto GP, Rolex grand am series, Supercross and Motorcross and I do enjoy Monster Jam.

Yes speed does show way too much pimp my ride but I do love their coverage of all these other motorsports.
 
Matthew2470 said:
If Speed showed nothing but racing they'd be off the air quickly. As sad as it is, those crappy "reality" shows are helping to pay the bills over there.
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Incorrect. SPEED buys the rights to the reality shows or produces the reality shows. ARCA, Feld Motorsports, Lucas Oil and Monster Energy (along with other racing divisions) buy airtime on SPEED. SPEED makes a profit out of airing ARCA, Monster Jam, Lucas Oil and AMA Supercross.

The problem is, racing divisions can no longer afford the prices SPEED asks. In 2001, ARCA was able to get its entire schedule on TNT, FOX and Speedvision. Once Speedvision became SPEED, it's something ARCA could no longer afford. Same with USAR and etc. Many of these divisions are looking for new homes. Lucas Oil now airs most of its programming on MavTV and some of its programming on NBC Sports Network. Lucas Oil has even managed to buy Sunday afternoon CBS Sports airtime on CBS nationwide. USAR went to MavTV until their demise (CARS took this series over). AMA is putting more and more programming on MavTV, CBS and NBC Sports Network.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Incorrect. SPEED buys the rights to the reality shows or produces the reality shows. ARCA, Feld Motorsports, Lucas Oil and Monster Energy (along with other racing divisions) buy airtime on SPEED. SPEED makes a profit out of airing ARCA, Monster Jam, Lucas Oil and AMA Supercross.

The problem is, racing divisions can no longer afford the prices SPEED asks. In 2001, ARCA was able to get its entire schedule on TNT, FOX and Speedvision. Once Speedvision became SPEED, it's something ARCA could no longer afford. Same with USAR and etc. Many of these divisions are looking for new homes. Lucas Oil now airs most of its programming on MavTV and some of its programming on NBC Sports Network. Lucas Oil has even managed to buy Sunday afternoon CBS Sports airtime on CBS nationwide. USAR went to MavTV until their demise (CARS took this series over). AMA is putting more and more programming on MavTV, CBS and NBC Sports Network.
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So basically we are saying the same thing. The reality shows are paying the bills at Speed (through ad revenue) because the racing series can't afford to pay Speed what they are asking. And with Fox/Speed doing what they can to maximize profit the race fans lose.:(
 
Matthew2470 said:
So basically we are saying the same thing. The reality shows are paying the bills at Speed (through ad revenue) because the racing series can't afford to pay Speed what they are asking. And with Fox/Speed doing what they can to maximize profit the race fans lose.:(
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SPEED's not doing all that in ad revenue. There's a reason FOX networks have been blacked out on every cable provider because of carriage arguments. There's a reason FOX wants to relaunch SPEED as FOX Sports Network.

The ratings suck, end of story.
 
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
Which also sucks btw, CBS doesn't even show the entire event of supercross when they do and it's tape delayed meanwhile speed will show the entire event live.
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Are they live on SPEED?

The only events I've seen air truly live are NASCAR. Even their "LIVE" ARCA telecasts are delayed an hour or two or more.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Are they live on SPEED?

The only events I've seen air truly live are NASCAR. Even their "LIVE" ARCA telecasts are delayed an hour or two or more.
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Yes, when it's not on cbs speed airs the entire event live on saturday nights. Most of the Rolex grand am races are live as well.
 
With the crap they call programming now, I could care less. I really only watch the NASCAR events such as practice and qualifying and the Truck races. I don't care about their other NASCAR programs that isn't cars on track.other than that, I don't watch it. They show hardly any ARCA races anymore, I haven't seen the East series on there at all, no World Of Outlaws or anything else. I'm in a pissy mood so I shouldn't be on here.
 
I'm still pissed that TNN is not TNN any more. Remember TNN Motorsports? Monster trucks before they became what they are now. Mud bogs, truck & tractor pulls.

I like some of speeds shows. So this sucks too.

Hell what about Thursday night thunder? USAC, WoO? Spills and Thrills?

Damnit I'm drepressed thinking about the good ol days.
 
I just hope they still carry the Supercross/Motorcross, Moto GP, F1, and Rolex Sports Car series. I'll be super pissed off if the don't.

I hate CBS coverage of Supercross, they don't show the entire heats or the last chance qualifiers and they go to commercial breaks during the main events. Speed shows everything and doesn't go to commercials during the races.
 
It's interesting because a few of these racing divisions have locked themselves in to long term contracts with SPEED.

I'm sure ARCA didn't pay SPEED to have their races moved to a channel that's only available in 26 million homes. On the other hand, I'm sure UFC would much rather move to a national FOX Sports Network than be on FUEL.

Every single Lucas Oil telecase on SPEED is also shown on NBC Sports Network and MavTV. I'm sure World of Outlaws would open their rights to go to NBC Sports or CBS. I don't have MavTV on my cable package but I can watch all the MavTV televised races on FIOS On Demand.

I bet ARCA and NHRA are regretting locking themselves in to long term contracts with SPEED and ESPN respectively.
 
MRM said:
Moving NASCAR programming there is one way to get it into more homes. Remember when Fox did that with FX?
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If UFC hasn't made that happen, NASCAR won't.

I do remember FX... when the Richmond race aired on there (having already missed Rockingham), we were about the 30,000th person to call Comcast in our county to demand FX.
 
Lap3Forever said:
I'm still pissed that TNN is not TNN any more. Remember TNN Motorsports? Monster trucks before they became what they are now. Mud bogs, truck & tractor pulls.

I like some of speeds shows. So this sucks too.

Hell what about Thursday night thunder? USAC, WoO? Spills and Thrills?

Damnit I'm drepressed thinking about the good ol days.
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Me too. I am shutting of my cable subscription and going back to NASCAR news which gets delivered on Thursdays. The coverage today sucks compared to what it was thirty years ago.

Screw them...

:D
 
I would love to see a Nascar network. They could show live qualifying,Classic races, Have classic driver docs and maybe even show live K and N series races.
 
Everybody has a different opinion so mine is that everything I watch on speed tv is stock car racing related. If all nascar races were on speed I would watch them. If they were on A&E or oprah winfrey network I would watch them as well. I may not especially like it but I am a stock car racing fan so I will watch them wherever. Andy & Matt I am well aware that there is nothing stock about them anymore but I have to call them something.
 
If FOX gets rid of Speed, hopefully NASCAR will get rid of FOX.

Then again, I should be careful saying that, because TNT is even worse than FOX.
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
If FOX gets rid of Speed, hopefully NASCAR will get rid of FOX.

Then again, I should be careful saying that, because TNT is even worse than FOX.
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TNT's not worse than FOX... at least with TNT's sorry camera angles, craptastic audio and Adam Alexander, I DON'T have to hear Jaws Waltrip. Plus, TNT has better five minute commercial breaks than FOX. :D
 
PeopleAreStrange said:
If FOX gets rid of Speed, hopefully NASCAR will get rid of FOX.

Then again, I should be careful saying that, because TNT is even worse than FOX.
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AndyMarquisLive said:
TNT's not worse than FOX... at least with TNT's sorry camera angles, craptastic audio and Adam Alexander, I DON'T have to hear Jaws Waltrip. Plus, TNT has better five minute commercial breaks than FOX. :D
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And ESPN is even worse then TNT.
 
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