Start-and-park is BS in my opinion!

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KingGlamis

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I know the economy sucks and teams are struggling to get sponsors, but what is up with all the start-and-park drivers? In other sports "giving up" is not allowed, you finish the game. The same should be true for NASCAR. I know that finishing 43rd still pays money, but what if the driver stayed out and several cars failed to finish the race... then the driver would earn a LOT more money. So the team had to pay for fuel and tires, but maybe their 38th finish earns them WAY more than 43rd. They should be ahead, correct?

Looking at the current NASCAR standings Derrike Cope is listed as having started zero races yet he earned $82,054 dollars. Where do I sign up for that job? :D Jeff Green made $69,000 for starting one race. P.J. Jones made $72,000 for starting one race. Kevin Conway made $206,000 for starting two races.

Back to the start-and-park. Only 43 drivers are allowed to race, yet we have had 80 racers this year (according to NASCAR). I just don't see why a team that qualifies for a race doesn't attempt to finish the race? The difference between 43rd and 30th is a HUGE amount of money. That would certainly pay for their race weekend and then some.

I think it's time for NASCAR to say YOU WILL attempt to race all the laps or you are not allowed to race anymore. Why even have 43 cars entered if several of them have no intention of finishing the race?

Would the NFL allow a team to say "we give up" at the beginning of every game? HELL NO! NASCAR needs to fix this problem.
 
Other sports have franchises that a larger share of TV money.

Tires are $16,000 a set, and an engine can cost much more than $40,000. Then there are those pesky accidents.

these teams are just trying to survive under the system nascar sets. I wouldn't be against going to 36 cars and giving all of the extra cash to the teams that race the whole race.
 
FenderBumper said:
Other sports have franchises that a larger share of TV money.

Tires are $16,000 a set, and an engine can cost much more than $40,000. Then there are those pesky accidents.

these teams are just trying to survive under the system nascar sets. I wouldn't be against going to 36 cars and giving all of the extra cash to the teams that race the whole race.
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At least we have a seen a team or two that started out as start-and-parkers that made enough money they can actually race now.
 
SST55 said:
$16,000? Think you mean $1600.00, right around $400.00 each.
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yeah, $1,600. For S&P's it's a big expense over the course of a race. The real issue is preserving the engine and the car. They get to keep the lights on while the team competes for a starting spot, and one day they may be able to make the jump to the top 35. I used to hate the concept, but I understand it a little better these days.

I think running a Cup S&P would be a good way to fund a NW team.
 
Haters are just jealous...SnPers get PAID huge in Cup.. Good for them!!:beerbang:

Reed Sorrenson in the #7 This week..

Robby Racing Off-Road in Utah
 
Didnt Nascar have some thing last season where they confiscated the 43rd places car if it wasnt involved in an accident? I can recall a race at phoenix where they kept mentioning all the start and parkers kept coming out of the garage for a couple laps.
 
wilson89 said:
Didnt Nascar have some thing last season where they confiscated the 43rd places car if it wasnt involved in an accident? I can recall a race at phoenix where they kept mentioning all the start and parkers kept coming out of the garage for a couple laps.
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They started ripping engines down. I think NASCAR realized they would end up with 38 cars starting races and they stopped.
 
Looking at the current NASCAR standings Derrike Cope is listed as having started zero races yet he earned $82,054 dollars. Where do I sign up for that job? Jeff Green made $69,000 for starting one race. P.J. Jones made $72,000 for starting one race. Kevin Conway made $206,000 for starting two races.


Cope earned that money from running in the Shootout and the All-Star Showdown. Those are non-points races so they don’t count, but there are still cash awards for them. – Journo.
 
Maybe only the top 35 should pay any money? These cars wouldn't show up if they weren't getting any money. Who says we need 43 cars anyway?
 
Stewart Fan said:
Maybe only the top 35 should pay any money? These cars wouldn't show up if they weren't getting any money. Who says we need 43 cars anyway?
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Nascar has a contract that says that they WILL START x number of cars
 
Stewart Fan said:
So what happens if only 40 cars including the S&P cars show up?
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Renumbered back up cars get rolled out with Nationwide/Truck/Arca drivers in the seat. NASCAR knows in advance from entrys, It's happened but was kept very quite.
 
FlFlash said:
Renumbered back up cars get rolled out with Nationwide/Truck/Arca drivers in the seat. NASCAR knows in advance from entrys, It's happened but was kept very quite.
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Really? Can you provide a link so I can read about this?
 
FlFlash said:
Renumbered back up cars get rolled out with Nationwide/Truck/Arca drivers in the seat. NASCAR knows in advance from entrys, It's happened but was kept very quite.
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That doesn't make sense. They would have to put names on the entry list and have them practice and qualify. Never happened.
 
DJ Rossi said:
Haters are just jealous...SnPers get PAID huge in Cup.. Good for them!!:beerbang:

Reed Sorrenson in the #7 This week..

Robby Racing Off-Road in Utah
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Good, maybe the 7 will be in the top 20 for once this year. Good to see Sorrenson in cup again.
 
I like the fact that the only at the time current cup driver finished last:D
 
Here's the fact..... The last time that NASCAR Cup raced with fewer than a 43 car starting field was Loudon, 11/23/01. That was the year that Loudon was ran as the last race of the season due to the events on 9/11. It was a 42 car field that day.

Before that you'd have to go back to the 1997 season where there were a mixture of 42 & 43 car starting fields.

1996 even sported a 44 car field twice, Sonoma & Phoenix.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Here's the fact..... The last time that NASCAR Cup raced with fewer than a 43 car starting field was Loudon, 11/23/01. That was the year that Loudon was ran as the last race of the season due to the events on 9/11. It was a 42 car field that day.

Before that you'd have to go back to the 1997 season where there were a mixture of 42 & 43 car starting fields.
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Who was the sponsor for Nascar in o1 was it Winston or Nextel
 
Back in the Prehistoric era of NASCAR they raced 42 cars. That was until King Richard didn't qualify and had to go home. Shortly thereafter they added the 43rd Champions Provisional spot.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I think that was still the Winston days but I am not positive. NEXTEL started in 2004.

Yes, I just looked it up..... It was Winston in 2001.
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Nascar has a contract WITH NEXTEL that say's they WILL START x number of cars in Cup if they do not start that many Nascar is in breech of contract And that will never happen without approval from Nextel
 
Stewart Fan said:
So what happens if only 40 cars including the S&P cars show up?
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FlFlash said:
Renumbered back up cars get rolled out with Nationwide/Truck/Arca drivers in the seat. NASCAR knows in advance from entrys, It's happened but was kept very quite.
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Here's the original question I answered, It's asking what happens if only 40 cars SHOW UP....Thats happened many many times over the years Phoenix, Riverside, Ontario the Old Texas track even Talledaga have struggled to have full fields off and on. Mostly because of travel expenses and payback in the feild ( tracks paybacks vary )
NASCAR is smart enough to know when they might have an issue with a full feild and quietly ask around for Winston West cars, back up cars from larger teams etc usually with a check in hand ;)
Of course you Wont find any documentation of them starting less than 42 cars because they always manage to get what they need.

I won't mention the race but I remember one in the mid 80's a paid to enter back up car that was feilded by a large team was asked to pit with only a few laps to go.....seems it was ahead of Both Full time team cars at the time, find the answer to that trivia question and I'll send you a frosty cold adult beverage ;)
 
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