Start and park paranoia

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Trying to find out what folks are so afraid of , I went to Jayski and found these stats . Am I missing something ? Starts vs DNF's of Indy Entries

Mears 19 -2
Speed 9-6
Gilliland 19-3
Dillon 6-0
Yeley 19-6
Hill 8-1
Stremme 18-3
Bayne 7-1
Blaney 18-4
Bliss 11-11
Cassill 16-5
Reutimann 19-4
Nemechek 17-6
Kvapil 19-7
McDowell 17-15

Is Bliss the only start and park in this weeks race ?
 
I imagine some of the S&P teams may try to run the whole race this weekend because of the size of the purse, just as some of the S&P teams went the distance in the Daytona 500. Just a guess though, I have nothing to confirm that.
 
Why are people more concerned about S&P for this race? At any rate, Yoda is probably right. A 20th place here pays more than 20th place at (say) New Hampshire, so I imagine many S&Ps will probably try to run the whole race. The reward probably outweighs the risk to their limited equipment. Just my theory.
 
ted@economy said:
Trying to find out what folks are so afraid of , I went to Jayski and found these stats . Am I missing something ? Starts vs DNF's of Indy Entries

Mears 19 -2
Speed 9-6
Gilliland 19-3
Dillon 6-0
Yeley 19-6
Hill 8-1
Stremme 18-3
Bayne 7-1
Blaney 18-4
Bliss 11-11
Cassill 16-5
Reutimann 19-4
Nemechek 17-6
Kvapil 19-7
McDowell 17-15

Is Bliss the only start and park in this weeks race ?
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Your whole post here has me lost. You have starts vs DNF's but these guys don't have anywhere near the starts you have posted at Indy. Michael McDowell for instance has 3 Indy starts, 2 S&P's for his Phil Parson's team and a DNQ and the one he raced was for MWR in his rookie season he started 30th & finished 34th. The other problem with your list is you have guys listed that have never S&Ped:confused:

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Thegroundpounder99 said:
Your whole post here has me lost. You have starts vs DNF's but these guys don't have anywhere near the starts you have posted at Indy. Michael McDowell for instance has 3 Indy starts, 2 S&P's for his Phil Parson's team and a DNQ and the one he raced was for MWR in his rookie season he started 30th & finished 34th. The other problem with your list is you have guys listed that have never S&Ped:confused:
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Maybe Ted figured throwing guys like Bayne and Dillon in there would help prove his point.
 
FLRacingFan said:
lol Who's paranoid?
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What's funny is the same people that defend S&P's are the same ones sad when a guy like James Finch has to sell or close down. Here's a guy that fought for 23 years to be in this sport and made less money racing and trying to be competitive. You don't think the 10's of millions of dollars paid to S&P's would've helped him? Paranoid maybe.....hypocrite never.
 
Thegroundpounder99 said:
What's funny is the same people that defend S&P's are the same ones sad when a guy like James Finch has to sell or close down. Here's a guy that fought for 23 years to be in this sport and made less money racing and trying to be competitive. You don't think the 10's of millions of dollars paid to S&P's would've helped him? Paranoid maybe.....hypocrite never.
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That right there has always been my point. S&P's take money from the teams that are actually trying to race. I wonder how much purse money was paid to S&P cars last year. It's probably 15 - 20 million.

Until nascar decides to make the bottom portion of purse money cover the cost of RACING, they should let the field contain less than 43 RACE cars that split the purse. This all stems fron 'stock car' racing becoming so complex and expensive.
 
Thegroundpounder99 said:
What's funny is the same people that defend S&P's are the same ones sad when a guy like James Finch has to sell or close down. Here's a guy that fought for 23 years to be in this sport and made less money racing and trying to be competitive. You don't think the 10's of millions of dollars paid to S&P's would've helped him? Paranoid maybe.....hypocrite never.
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Didn't Finch S&P a few years ago when Keselowski was running full time? Miccosukee only wanted to sponsor Brad's races, or something of that nature, so whenever the other drivers (Mike Bliss and someone else) ran they had to S&P to bring home at least something. I'm sure these owners aren't just money grubbers and genuinely enjoy racing, but it's hard to start anywhere else but the bottom right now. You don't need to look much further past the number of cars on weekly entry lists to see what dwindling sponsorship and an exponential rise in the cost of fielding a team has done to this sport.
 
Thegroundpounder99 said:
Your whole post here has me lost. You have starts vs DNF's but these guys don't have anywhere near the starts you have posted at Indy. Michael McDowell for instance has 3 Indy starts, 2 S&P's for his Phil Parson's team and a DNQ and the one he raced was for MWR in his rookie season he started 30th & finished 34th. The other problem with your list is you have guys listed that have never S&Ped:confused:

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I believe the list shows 2013 starts vs. DNF's for drivers entered in this year's Indy race.

The obvious problem with the list is that a DNF doesn't necessarily mean it was a start n' park.
 
pjmolo said:
I believe the list shows 2013 starts vs. DNF's for drivers entered in this year's Indy race.

The obvious problem with the list is that a DNF doesn't necessarily mean it was a start n' park.
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Statistically speaking, all S&P's are DNF's.

Does Nascar still have a hate on for the 1st car out of the race?
 
#17D500winner said:
Statistically speaking, all S&P's are DNF's.

Does Nascar still have a hate on for the 1st car out of the race?
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Correct.

However, the OP made reference to S&P's in the title of the thread and then gave us stats for DNF's in his post.

Not all DNF's are S&P's.
 
Thegroundpounder99 said:
Your whole post here has me lost. You have starts vs DNF's but these guys don't have anywhere near the starts you have posted at Indy. Michael McDowell for instance has 3 Indy starts, 2 S&P's for his Phil Parson's team and a DNQ and the one he raced was for MWR in his rookie season he started 30th & finished 34th. The other problem with your list is you have guys listed that have never S&Ped:confused:
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Sorry , been out all day . Those are stats of the total starts for the year . Some have started all 19 races... some , only a handful , but all are entered in the Indy race . Other than Bliss , I don't see a guaranteed start and park . So I ask , am I missing something ? Or is there a mountain being made out of a molehole ?
 
Does anyone know how many start and parks there were in the Indy race ? I want to start keeping track.
 
ted@economy said:
Does anyone know how many start and parks there were in the Indy race ? I want to start keeping track.
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Dunno 'bout Indy but at Chicagoland a few years ago I started for the restroom but quickly parked my butt down again as soon as I saw how long the line was.

Got a spot on your spreadsheet for that ?
 
All 43 cars that started the race finished the race, kind of screwed up the whole thread didn't they ;)
 
pjmolo said:
Dunno 'bout Indy but at Chicagoland a few years ago I started for the restroom but quickly parked my butt down again as soon as I saw how long the line was.

Got a spot on your spreadsheet for that ?
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eeeeewwwwww.:moon:
 
I'll be watchin for one at Pocono . There must be somethin to this paranoia.
 
Glad to read that everyone on track yesterday attempted to race.

EDIT: Looking at the race results, there weren't any drivers who completed less than 100 laps.
 
just looked at the purse and noticed something interesting THEY SPREAD THE MONEY OUT THROUGH THE FINISHING ORDER this isn't something you normally see, its just something I noticed for the indy race. before the main reason a guy starts and parks is because they don't make enough extra finishing 29th instead of say 42nd to pay the tire bill. this race there was quite a difference in pay per position. enough to where 3 or 4 spots would pay the tire bill to run the race. IMO they should do more of this.
 
S/P is ok with me, if you get to what you want and it pays the bills it doesn't get any better than that. beats the hell outa getting up at 4 in the morning to go to work.
 
Stewart Fan said:
Well he was hindering the race. He brought out two cautions.
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Actually, NASCAR brought out one of those two cautions on their own. The first time, he made it to pit road, under power, on his own. It's no different than a car running out of gas and bringing out a caution.
 
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