Start times for Chase races moved to avoid conflict with NFL kickoffs

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NASCAR will move the start times of its Chase For The Sprint Cup events on Sunday afternoons to avoid a starting time that conflicts with kickoffs of NFL games.

The races at Chicagoland, New Hampshire, Dover, Kansas, Talladega and Martinsville will start at 2 p.m. Eastern, while Texas, Phoenix and Homestead-Miami will start at 3 p.m. Eastern. The other Chase race, at Charlotte, is a Saturday night event.

Full story here.
 
NASCAR will move the start times of its Chase For The Sprint Cup events on Sunday afternoons to avoid a starting time that conflicts with kickoffs of NFL games.

The races at Chicagoland, New Hampshire, Dover, Kansas, Talladega and Martinsville will start at 2 p.m. Eastern, while Texas, Phoenix and Homestead-Miami will start at 3 p.m. Eastern. The other Chase race, at Charlotte, is a Saturday night event.

Full story here.

Great. So we go from no changes to "let's change everything we possibly can." And instead of last years claim of having everything start at the same time to this. So, starting at 2 and 3 is somehow going to bring people over?
 
Starting at 12 make more sense...then people are cau....well I'm caught in the race by then the rest of you I doubt.
 
more likely those that tune in to the nfl game will keep watching it. especially if it's a good game. bet ratings go down further.
 
more likely those that tune in to the nfl game will keep watching it. especially if it's a good game. bet ratings go down further.

Yup. Staring at 2 or three, the game might even be in the 3rd quarter. People aren't going to turn away then.
 
Maybe NASCAR is betting the NFL locks out for the whole season?
 
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Is NASCAR run by a bunch of morons?:confused:

Nevermind, we already know the answer to that.:rolleyes:

The viewer is already glued to the game by then unless they're counting on Redskins fans to flip the channel pending another weekly meltdown.
 
After seeing all the work the NFL puts into the Super Bowl I can see now why NASCAR doesn't compare.
 
What's so stupid about this is next season there's probably not going to be any NFL games played, unless it's with replacement players. So NA$CAR ratings may just go up during the chase.
 
What's so stupid about this is next season there's probably not going to be any NFL games played, unless it's with replacement players. So NA$CAR ratings may just go up during the chase.

Eh I don't think there's going to be a lockout.
 
What's so stupid about this is next season there's probably not going to be any NFL games played, unless it's with replacement players. So NA$CAR ratings may just go up during the chase.

No way the NFL does not play, there are over 500 players that stand to loose Millions of dollars if the season goes up in smoke. The NFL will make sure there is an agreement in place and so will the players.
 
Moving the start times of those races will have NO impact on ratings. If people are both NFL fans and race fans and the NFL game comes on first, they probably won't be switching unless their stuck with a dud game or two.
 
Moving the start times of those races will have NO impact on ratings. If people are both NFL fans and race fans and the NFL game comes on first, they probably won't be switching unless their stuck with a dud game or two.

Exactly...I know i only switched once in awhile this season, especially since I now have Red Zone.
 
ESPN article from Oct. 2009 on implementing standardized start times and the reasons why. A long look back but I think worth the read. It's kinda funny how the more things change the more they stay the same.....

Updated: October 7, 2009, 8:54 PM ET
Races will start at consistent times


CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- NASCAR is moving to more standardized start times for Sprint Cup races in 2010, with East Coast events beginning at about 1 p.m. ET, West Coast races about 3 p.m. ET, and night races about 7:30 p.m. ET.

The lone exception will be the Coca-Cola 600, which will keep its 5:45 p.m. ET start time on Memorial Day weekend. Actual green flag times will be 15 to 20 minutes after the top or bottom of the hour.

NASCAR chairman Brian France and executives from ESPN, Fox and TNT announced the change at a Wednesday afternoon news conference. Next season, 28 races will begin at 1 p.m. ET, including the Daytona 500 to open the schedule.

"NASCAR fans have been asking for earlier and more consistent start times, and we are making this change for our fans, beginning with the Daytona 500 next February," said NASCAR chairman and CEO Brian France in a statement. "We are revisiting our sport's tradition of earlier green flags, and the added consistency will make it easier for fans to know exactly when the races are being televised."

NASCAR officials confirmed weeks ago they were finalizing more consistent start times in part because of complaints from fans who say they are confused by the different times and in part because it will help teams save money.

This season's races had start times all over the board -- 1 p.m., 2 p.m., 3:20 p.m., 4:30 p.m., 6 p.m., 7:30 p.m. and 8:30 p.m.

David Hill, the chairman of Fox Sports, which televises the first portion of the 36-race schedule, admitted the networks made a mistake when they began tinkering with start times several years ago.

He said the move was to try to increase ratings, which typically happens with later start times. But research has shown NASCAR fans are entrenched in their tradition of noon to 1 p.m. starts.

"The nice thing about this sport, it's 60 years old but it's got a tradition that's like 500 years old," Hill said. "And you don't mess with that. As I said before, my bad, that's for sure."

Hill said he expects ratings that have decreased the past few years to drop again next year as fans adjust to the more consistent times. But he and the other executives believe the long-term benefit will be worth the change that France said was quite challenging with three networks involved.

All three executives said they have no scientific evidence that the start times are directly related to declining ratings, but they all agreed this is what the fans want.

"TNT had a couple of races in the middle of the schedule [where the ratings went up]," said John Skipper, executive vice president in charge of content at ESPN. "We've had four races up. We do see some signs of growth we'd all like to build on."

Robin Pemberton, NASCAR's vice president for competition, said two weeks ago at Dover that the earlier start times not only will help the fans, but will allow teams to get home earlier Sunday night and potentially shorten the work week.

Pemberton also confirmed that NASCAR is looking at more two-day shows, such as the one at Atlanta on Labor Day weekend, as a cost-saving measure. Most race weekends typically are three days.

France said another benefit of earlier start times is more flexibility for rain delays. Last season, for example, ABC moved the end of the Phoenix Chase race to ESPN2 because of programming responsibilities for "America's Funniest Home Videos."

Skipper said a repeat of that incident was "highly unlikely," even before the start time change.

"We're sensitive to what happened last year," he said. "We would not want to repeat that scenario. It didn't serve the fan well. Our partners at NASCAR were terrific for understanding we did what we thought we had to do at that point. We don't expect it to happen again."

France added that he is pleased with the way the Chase format is working and he does not foresee any other changes for next year, although he reiterated the governing body constantly is looking for ways to improve.

"I actually think it's working better than it ever has been," he said, reminding that the top six drivers are separated by fewer than 100 points heading into Sunday's fourth race of the Chase at California.
 
Whats the lesson that Nascar should learn from all of this?

Dont mess with something that is working.

They took a sport that was great 6 or 7 years ago and messed with it, now its a shell of itself and more and more fans are finding something different to watch or do.
 
it would be interesting to know what big bill or bill jr thought of brian's stewardship of the sport. i don't think they would be all that thrilled about it.
 
Not for nothing and i dislike brian like everybody else. But Bill Jr and Sr probably put up with the same stuff when they were building NASCAR. I heard stories about Jr and Sr warning drivers that they would throw cautions if they started to stink up the show.
 
I think all the races should be moved to Saturday night after the NFL starts. Then there is no conflict at all. JMO
 
Then you are conflicting with the top College games....same problem.

NFL games are the main competition for viewers as far as NASCAR is concerned, not college. No matter when the races are run, there is always going to be something else going on somewhere to compete for viewers, it's just the NFL that is the top dog at the present time. Saturday night races also make it much easier for fans attending the race to return home Sunday night it order to go to work on Monday morning. I for one would love to see an all Saturday night race schedule for NASCAR(yes, even the road courses could install lights)
 
NFL games are the main competition for viewers as far as NASCAR is concerned, not college. No matter when the races are run, there is always going to be something else going on somewhere to compete for viewers, it's just the NFL that is the top dog at the present time. Saturday night races also make it much easier for fans attending the race to return home Sunday night it order to go to work on Monday morning. I for one would love to see an all Saturday night race schedule for NASCAR(yes, even the road courses could install lights)

I would HATE to see an all Saturday night schedule. They already hurt local racing as it is, and making NASCAR run on Saturday nights, it would make it too easy for race fans to stay home and watch TV rather then support the local racing.
 
NFL games are the main competition for viewers as far as NASCAR is concerned, not college.
Yep, not too many college games are on Sunday. It's pretty much agreed that the NFL and NCAAFB don't conflict with each other as well. Don't cut the college game short. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that overall, college football has more fans than the NFL. There are so many students who are fans of their school's programs while they are there.
 
NFL games are the main competition for viewers as far as NASCAR is concerned, not college. No matter when the races are run, there is always going to be something else going on somewhere to compete for viewers, it's just the NFL that is the top dog at the present time. Saturday night races also make it much easier for fans attending the race to return home Sunday night it order to go to work on Monday morning. I for one would love to see an all Saturday night race schedule for NASCAR(yes, even the road courses could install lights)[/QUOTE

In case you haven't noticed Saturday night college football is huge, if races were run on primarily a Saturday night basis all season long I think it would be the death of Cup on TV. Not only the competition from college football in the fall, but all the local racing in the summer. I don't know about most of you, but in the summer I don't spend a lot of time in front of the TV. We do things in the summer to take advantage of the nice weather. Nascar needs to shorten the races, we have talked about this, and that is the primary reason why viewers leave, they get bored. Shorten the races, 300 laps or 300 miles, I think the racing would be a lot more exciting, there would be more of an urgency to get to the front, and the races would be about 3hrs, plenty long enough for TV.
 
NFL games are the main competition for viewers as far as NASCAR is concerned, not college. No matter when the races are run, there is always going to be something else going on somewhere to compete for viewers, it's just the NFL that is the top dog at the present time. Saturday night races also make it much easier for fans attending the race to return home Sunday night it order to go to work on Monday morning. I for one would love to see an all Saturday night race schedule for NASCAR(yes, even the road courses could install lights)

nascar wouldnt be able to compete with college football on Saturday night either, lets face it, Nascar just cant compete with football, college or pro.

Season needs to end in early September.
 
Pits and stands take a BIG hit the night of the Bristol race. Na$car has a ad to support your local track then they run races the same night competing against them.:confused:

Na$car's problem is in it's failing to attract new fans both watching at home and in the stands. While my son is interested he's not interested to the degree I am/was and none of his friends are. They rather install a brazillion watt stereo then do performance upgrades. Exact opposite of what I/we did.

For the first time in over 20 years none of 'da boys' are making the trip to Daytona this year. AFAIK no one from here will be running the World Series at New Smyrna either.

Na$car needs to go back to letting racers race and not be bound by rule after rule that stifles competition.
 
Full list of start times for Cup races.....

SPRINT CUP

(ALL TIMES LISTED ARE EASTERN)

Feb. 12 -- Budweiser Shootout, 8:10 p.m.
Feb. 20 -- Daytona 500, 1 p.m.
Feb. 27 -- Phoenix, 3 p.m.
March 6 -- Las Vegas, 3 p.m.
March 20 -- Bristol, 1 p.m.
March 27 -- California, 3 p.m.
April 3 -- Martinsville -- 1 p.m.
April 9 -- Texas, 7:30 p.m.
April 17 -- Talladega, 1 p.m.
April 30 -- Richmond, 7:30 p.m.
May 7 -- Darlington, 7:30 p.m.
May 15 -- Dover, 1 p.m.
May 21 -- All-Star race (Charlotte), 7:30 p.m.
May 29 -- Coca-Cola 600, 6 p.m.
June 5 -- Kansas, 1 p.m.
June 12 -- Pocono, 1 p.m.
June 19 -- Michigan, 1 p.m.
June 26 -- Infineon Raceway, 3 p.m.
July 2 -- Daytona, 7:30 p.m.
July 9 -- Kentucky, 7:30 p.m.
July 17 -- New Hampshire, 1 p.m.
July 31 -- Indianapolis, 1 p.m.
Aug. 7 -- Pocono, 1 p.m.
Aug. 14 -- Watkins Glen, 1 p.m.
Aug. 21 -- Michigan, 1 p.m.
Aug. 27 -- Bristol, 7:30 p.m.
Sept. 4 -- Atlanta, 7:30 p.m.
Sept. 10 -- Richmond, 7:30 p.m.
Sept. 18 -- Chicago, 2 p.m.
Sept. 25 -- New Hampshire, 2 p.m.
Oct. 2 -- Dover, 2 p.m.
Oct. 9 -- Kansas, 2 p.m.
Oct. 15 -- Charlotte, 7:30 p.m.
Oct. 23 -- Talladega, 2 p.m.
Oct. 30 -- Martinsville, 1:30 p.m.
Nov. 6 -- Texas, 3 p.m.
Nov. 13 -- Phoenix, 3 p.m.
Nov. 20 -- Homestead, 3 p.m.
 
Why the later start times for east coast races during the chase? If anything I'd think that Nascar would go an hour ealier, before NFL, rather than when the games are already started?
 
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