State Of The Sport

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  1. ChexOrWrex

    ChexOrWrex Ya gotta wanna

  2. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

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  3. Truex_rox

    Truex_rox Furniture Row's Biggest Fan

    He actually seems more invested, more informed as opposed to OxyBrian.
     
  4. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    IMO it is very important for Nascar to diligently work toward gaining acceptance with younger men and women. If you build a product in demand by the desired demographic a lot of their other problems disappear.
     
  5. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    It looked like Brian was thinking about his next fix with all of the sweating he was usually doing that was his number one focus IMO. Phelps does a great job expressing himself, yeah he dances around a bit, but that is to be expected I think. He has been very vocal and transparent since he took over the reigns
     
  6. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    What jumps out at me is that Phelps continues to hint that 2020 will see significant schedule changes, a year ahead of what most people presumed due to the agreements in place. An officially combined and private NASCAR / ISC could move, add, and subtract from the ISC dates pretty much as desired.
     
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  7. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    That is really only a season away, it's feasible that they might announce schedule changes during next year if they can work things out. I like how he mentioned mid week races. That is one of the things I would be excited about if that happened.
     
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  8. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    Changing schedules around would be nice for much of the current fan base. Would it help in growing or stabilizing the series?
     
  9. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    And not just ISC, perhaps. If NASCAR forces ISC to swallow some unpleasant "medicine," that gives them huge leverage to force SMI to swallow some as well.

    Does anyone have comment about the Q & A below about drivers not enjoying their job and lack of passion for racing? It is from the transcript, not in the video. I'm guessing it is Gluck..:oops:
     
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  10. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    They said the offer to buy ISC was so secret, many of the principles in the company weren't aware of it right until they went public with it to prevent insider trading. I hope they get it done. In the transcript Phelps didn't have anything to say about that.
    SMI is moving forward and so far doesn't seem affected an article said. I know they are pushing the Nashville track, and they gambled and won pretty big on the Roval. It was a real crowd pleaser.
    But changes are afoot
    Are there other structural changes that will come down the line? There
    probably will. I can't speak to the ISC acquisition, but what I will say is to me, if
    you look at the message that has been sent from Lesa Kennedy and Jim
    France, it's that we're going to double down on this sport because we believe in
    it. We believe this sport is going to grow. We believe this sport is its best
    days are ahead of it. I'm thrilled to be part of that. I'm thrilled to be part of their
    management team. We have a lot of opportunity, and we're excited about where we're
    going.
     
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  11. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    “it's that we're going to double down on this sport because we believe in
    it. We believe this sport is going to grow. We believe this sport is its best
    days are ahead of it.”

    Whistling past the graveyard or the man with a plan?
     
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  12. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I think China will be next, a group bought a large track in I think Arizona recently. The same bunch that have tracks in China I believe.

    What that looks like in the future, I'm not sure. Are we open to
    exhibition races? I think we are open to exhibition races, and we'll certainly
    work with our race teams to look at that. International is a very important area
    for us. We think its incredibly fertile ground for us as a sport. We've got
    successful series in Canada, México and Europe. Could I see other
    grass roots racing series around the world? I can. We're on television in 185
    markets in some form or fashion. It's an important growth area for us.
     
  13. Mopardh9

    Mopardh9 Team Owner Contributor

    NASCAR can't draw fans here yet they want to expand to China, yeh that makes a lot of sense. Midweek racing works for the trucks at Eldora, but to go to it for Cup...I just don't see it working. Hell mid week races at the local level here have tough time drawing in Modified country.
     
  14. Mike Crayne

    Mike Crayne Crew Chief


    Im with you on this. I can barely stay awake for the night races when I dont have to work the next day. No way I am staying up for a mid week race.
     
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  15. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    Yeah, it definitely sounded like Gluck. He's branching out as a formerly NASCAR-only follower, coincidentally into stuff like sprint cars and SX that I'm into, so he's bound to notice the enthusiasm and passion for racing he hasn't been exposed to before.

    What's weird is that the types of racing he is getting into have even longer, more arduous seasons than NASCAR does.

    He may be noticing something real regarding this sense of roteness, but I think he is incorrectly attributing it to lack of driver passion. I'd get into it more, but I'm curious if anyone else has thoughts first.
     
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  16. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I don't agree with a lot of what Gluck says. His experience in going to other venues for the first time? Some of us here have been to many many sprint car races and have way more experience about the ins and outs than he does.The thing that makes those series unique is that they don't have a lot of guys like him running around looking for a story. It is like walking and flying between the those series and so is the racing. WoO? Gluck thinks he is away from home a lot? Let him follow the outlaws for a season. We will see how enthusiastic he is after that.
     
  17. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    Why would Nascar drivers be less than enthused about their chosen profession? IDK why but here are a few guesses.

    A crappy work life balance

    A numbingly long season

    A poorer compensation plan than stick and ball

    Constant changes to the cars

    Rules for 2019 that are not driver friendly
     
  18. Cholo

    Cholo Team Owner

    Making six and seven figures to drive a car?
     
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  19. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    Driver friendly, *chuckle*, that's a good one Skoal.
     
  20. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    Perhaps, but the flaw with that being the answer to Gluck's question regarding other types of racing is that I can assure you that Donny Schatz, Brad Sweet, and anyone working on a sprint car team have an objectively crappier "work / life balance" and longer season to grind through, as do Eli Tomac, Jason Anderson, and anyone trying to make it as a professional motocross rider.

    These are the types of racing Gluck discovered in 2018. While I'm glad for that, I think he's enthralled with it because it's new to him. The passion may be more evident there because those guys really do live and breathe what they do to an absurd degree.
     
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  21. Revman

    Revman May God Bless Coach Joe Gibbs and all JGR Fans

    Same sh!t different speech really. My takeaways....We are looking at hybrids, and we have to go to Australia for ideas. Jesus Christ.
     
  22. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    While the cup and Xfinity and the truck drivers wait to get on a plane to be home in a couple hours, Tony Stewart and others are driving the dually trailer rig full of T-shirts to the next gig. Driver friendly means they get to ride shotgun
     
  23. Revman

    Revman May God Bless Coach Joe Gibbs and all JGR Fans

    What about they are spoiled bitches?
     
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  24. gnomesayin

    gnomesayin Team Owner

    I wouldn't phrase it that way, because it's just human nature. But yes, the way to increase someone's "passion" for a job is not to compensate them lavishly for it. Do that, and they are bound to look around and see that there are other things to enjoy in life.

    I'm not arguing that drivers should be paid less.
     
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  25. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    If it was just driving a car it would be one thing but it is much more. It is part of the reason Carl Edwards retired.
     
  26. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    What has Carl said about retiring?
     
  27. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    I used driver friendly as I am trying not to use term dumbed down to refer to next year’s rules. I don’t want to insult you or the other person that are already big fans of it.
     
  28. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    Your points make sense.
     
  29. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    thanks there Atomic punk, your concern for others feelings is noted.
     
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  30. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    A lot of the younger drivers today come from wealth and have different expectations than guys years ago. Not saying it is good or bad but just different.
     
  31. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    I appreciate it amigo.
     
  32. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    That isn't correct, Racing has always been a rich mans game, still is. There has always been a much larger pool of drivers wanting a ride, and with few exceptions when the choice between the two, a driver who brings money to the table in the form of a sponsor and family resources usually will get the nod. you have to remember this isn't stick ball sports where money doesn't count unless it is under the table.
     
  33. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    Guys like Denny Hamlin didn’t have a pot to piss in when he came on board but guys like JLo, Blaney and Elliott came in amply supplied.
     
  34. aunty dive

    aunty dive Team Owner

    The Blaney family is not wealthy.
     
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  35. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    I'm not sure if this is a serious post from someone who doesn't understand racers, or a joke post. The season is 38 races, each requiring 2 or 3 days at the track. There is some additional preparation time, and some sponsor obligations for some. If the work is too onerous or the season too long, why do so many Cup drivers seek out additional races... Xfinity, trucks, late models, sprint cars, modifieds, sports cars? Hint: it ain't for the money.

    Not many drivers earn as much as Jimmie Johnson, but Cup money ain't bad. Probably a dozen drivers north of $8-9 million per year. F1 has three guys that make Cup drivers look like working stiffs, plus a couple more who earn Nascar-type money. No other form of auto racing comes close.

    As for stick-and-ball money, not too many Cup drivers have teams seeking to sign them up. I mean, Brad Keselowski could surely sign with the Detroit Pistons if he wanted to, but would they pay him ~$10-12 million per year for a long career? You be the judge on that...
     
  36. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    neither were the Logano's. If people were watching and listening to the victory lane broadcast instead of doing something else, they would have heard Joey's dad say he sold his business to keep Joey going. And that is called family resources on the table. Sigh
     
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  37. LewTheShoe

    LewTheShoe Team Owner

    I'm certain Logano and Blaney did not pay for their Cup rides. I'm pretty sure Chase Elliott also didn't. Paul Menard did. And you can always find a few Timmy Hill-types at the back of the field. The deathbedders narrative that Cup rides these days require bringing money just doesn't hold up... unless you define Nascar in terms of Paul Menard and Timmy Hill rather than actual relevant drivers and teams who make up the sport.

    And this holds true again in 2019. The new entrants into Cup announced for next year are Ryan Preece and Daniel Hemric... not wealthy, Cup rides not purchased. The deathbedders need a new schtick!
     
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  38. StandOnIt

    StandOnIt Farm Truck

    I partially disagree, money to run in the lower series catches the eye of the higher ups, the potential sponsors, etc. Preece took all of his sponsor's yearly money budget to buy a ride in a Gibbs car.
     
  39. IanMcVittie

    IanMcVittie Car Chief

    Wealth takes on many forms not just financial.
     
  40. Ilovedthe90s

    Ilovedthe90s UGA football

    DVR bruh!
     
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