Stewart Fined and Docked Points

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NASCAR has fined Nextel Cup driver Tony Stewart $50,000, pulled 25 driver points and placed him on probation until Aug. 18 after a post-race altercation with fellow driver Brian Vickers Sunday at Infineon Raceway.
Also, Joe Gibbs, the Washington Redskins coach who owns the No. 20 Chevrolets driven by Stewart, has been penalized 25 car owner championship points.

Stewart was found in violation of Section 12-4-A of NASCAR rules (actions detrimental to stock car racing; involved in altercation with another competitor).

"This action we’ve taken speaks for itself," NASCAR President Mike Helton said. "Tony Stewart is well aware of what is expected of him going forward."
 
I, for one, would like an explaination of the difference between this altercation and the Spencer/ Busch altercation that justifies the difference in penalties.
 
As I posted in the other Tony thread:

$50,000 fine, loses 25 driver and 25 owner points.

:blink:  WEAK!!!  :wacko: 

I'm wondering how much Home Depot's NASCAR sponsorship came into play.
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And the more I think about it...the more I think that the only thing that kept him from a suspension is this:

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I wonder what they will do if he violates his probation?
 
Originally posted by TonyB@Jun 30 2004, 02:12 PM
I, for one, would like an explaination of the difference between this altercation and the Spencer/ Busch altercation that justifies the difference in penalties.
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Not to take up for Tony, Lord knows I would never do that, but I do see a difference in the Busch/Spencer and Stewart/Vickers affair. With Spencer it was those 2 all the time. This was pretty much the 1st time for Vickers. Could that have been the difference?

You know that the amount of stroke one sponsor more than the other wouldn't make a difference... :unsure:
 
Originally posted by TonyB@Jun 30 2004, 07:12 PM
I, for one, would like an explaination of the difference between this altercation and the Spencer/ Busch altercation that justifies the difference in penalties.
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Tony got off light. As for the differance Tony is a Past Champion and Spencer was not. You can't suspend a Champ. :lol:
 
Originally posted by barelypure+Jun 30 2004, 03:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (barelypure @ Jun 30 2004, 03:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--TonyB@Jun 30 2004, 02:12 PM
I, for one, would like an explaination of the difference between this altercation and the Spencer/ Busch altercation that justifies the difference in penalties.
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Not to take up for Tony, Lord knows I would never do that, but I do see a difference in the Busch/Spencer and Stewart/Vickers affair. With Spencer it was those 2 all the time. This was pretty much the 1st time for Vickers. Could that have been the difference?

You know that the amount of stroke one sponsor more than the other wouldn't make a difference... :unsure: [/b][/quote]
True, but Home Depot, in addition to being Tony's Sponsor, is also one of Nascar's biggest associate sponsors. That's the difference.
 
The 50 grand and 25 points taken from Tony does seem rather light (that's assuming things came down just as Brian Vickers stated). But to dock JGR for something a driver evidently did on his own seems odd to me..........unless they are telling Joe Gibbs to get a hold of your driver in no uncertain terms.

Now that it's finalized with NASCAR's punishment maybe we can get back to the fun stuff here!! :)
 
Very rarely do I disagree with NASCAR in decisions they make, but this time if somebody accuses NASCAR, et al, of conspiracy, favoritism or politics, I'll be at the front of the line agreeing.

There is NO difference between Spencer and Busch or Stewart and Vickers. Spencer had been warned as had Busch, for triffling with one another.
Tony Stewart has been warned MORE than either of them about physical contact with NASCAR credential holders both on and off the track and other people associated with the sport in varying capacities.
There is one major difference between Spencer and Stewart though.
Spencer got suspended for one race and Stewart got a walk.

To whom ever made the final decision in NASCAR on soft pedaling the situation with Tony Stewart and Home Depot, a tremendous disservice has been committed against every participant while at the same time, the credibility established as a major league sport trying to be fair and consistent has been shattered.

Forty-six years have been spent as a NASCAR fan and participant, the majority of which quietly accepted, but did not always approve the favoritism and questionable calls from the front office.
In recent years NASCAR has been making giant strides showing they were a serious organization dedicated to being fair and consistent in decisions involving everyone.

NASCAR proved Jimmy Spencer, his team in 2003, and the fans, they are not important, that favoritism does exist and consistency is out the window. Again.
By changing direction, NASCAR approved a driver punching someone, but only if, the driver has a major sponsor and is a major player.
The fans and those who buy into NASCAR being family friendly just got a hard and fast lesson on how the little guys get the end of the stick used to check how full the pit under the outhouse is.


NASCAR portrays itself as a family and fan friendly organization and in recent years has been dedicating itself to fairness and consistency, yet this decision, or lack thereof, reminds me of the old saying:
"don't be standing on a ladder pi$$ing on my back and trying to tell me it's raining".
I guess the more things change the more they stay the same.
 
I also hated to see JGR docked 25 owner points as the team itself had nothing to do with this,unless as already stated that NASCAR perceived it the team's responsibility to rein in Their driver and failed to do so in this case.
I would be satisfied with the punishment for T.Stewart,except that NASCAR didn't park Him for a race or two,but at least some punishment was handed down,that alone surprised Me,it's high time though. ;)
 
I think we need to remember that Spencer punched Busch in the face and there were no punches thrown with Tony and Vickers. That's the only difference that I can see. I really find it hard to believe that The name "Home Depot"had anything to do with it, but then again Nascar keeps surprising me with the things they've been doing lately. :(
 
The Home Depot stuff is pure speculation. :) Another difference from the Spencer/Busch incident..........the cops weren't called. :D
 
I firmly beleive that the sponsor had everything to do with it. Like was said in a previous post , Home Depot is an associate sponsor to Nascar, that makes a world of difference. The way i see it the only way Tony is going to sit is if Home Depot tells him he is no longer driving the #20. IMO he should have been sitting for at least 1 race, he has had too many chances to get his anger under control and has not proved by any means that he has done just that, frankly just the opposite.
 
Originally posted by Whizzer@Jun 30 2004, 05:25 PM
Very rarely do I disagree with NASCAR in decisions they make, but this time if somebody accuses NASCAR, et al, of conspiracy, favoritism or politics, I'll be at the front of the line agreeing.

There is NO difference between Spencer and Busch or Stewart and Vickers. Spencer had been warned as had Busch, for triffling with one another.
Tony Stewart has been warned MORE than either of them about physical contact with NASCAR credential holders both on and off the track and other people associated with the sport in varying capacities.
There is one major difference between Spencer and Stewart though.
Spencer got suspended for one race and Stewart got a walk.

To whom ever made the final decision in NASCAR on soft pedaling the situation with Tony Stewart and Home Depot, a tremendous disservice has been committed against every participant while at the same time, the credibility established as a major league sport trying to be fair and consistent has been shattered.

Forty-six years have been spent as a NASCAR fan and participant, the majority of which quietly accepted, but did not always approve the favoritism and questionable calls from the front office.
In recent years NASCAR has been making giant strides showing they were a serious organization dedicated to being fair and consistent in decisions involving everyone.

NASCAR proved Jimmy Spencer, his team in 2003, and the fans, they are not important, that favoritism does exist and consistency is out the window. Again.
By changing direction, NASCAR approved a driver punching someone, but only if, the driver has a major sponsor and is a major player.
The fans and those who buy into NASCAR being family friendly just got a hard and fast lesson on how the little guys get the end of the stick used to check how full the pit under the outhouse is.


NASCAR portrays itself as a family and fan friendly organization and in recent years has been dedicating itself to fairness and consistency, yet this decision, or lack thereof, reminds me of the old saying:
"don't be standing on a ladder pi$$ing on my back and trying to tell me it's raining".
I guess the more things change the more they stay the same.
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Whizzer you ain't gonna believe this, I agree with you 100% on this matter.
 
I'm a Tony Stewart fan and will be no matter where he drives, NASCAR, WoO, Sprints, IRL, CHAMP cars, Dirt but as far as the rules go, NO driver should be above another. NASCAR set a precident with Spencer last year and they should not vary from it.
Yes we can say the incident was different because Tony didn't "actually" punch Brian but that does not hold water as far as the law goes. Hollor, scream, cuss, kick the car but there is no need to assalt another driver. To be honest, I had a lot more support for Jimmy Spencer because I believe Kurt egged him on and provoked him. But once NASCAR set the precedent for punishment for that type of action, then that is what I expect to see if it's Tony, or JG or anyone of the competitors.
 
Originally posted by DE_Wrangler_2@Jun 30 2004, 06:12 PM
The 50 grand and 25 points taken from Tony does seem rather light (that's assuming things came down just as Brian Vickers stated). But to dock JGR for something a driver evidently did on his own seems odd to me..........unless they are telling Joe Gibbs to get a hold of your driver in no uncertain terms.

Now that it's finalized with NASCAR's punishment maybe we can get back to the fun stuff here!! :)
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DE, as YOU once said to me, it's a TEAM and if a penalty is assessed (as in football) then JGR should be penalised.
 
They are teams, Kat...........but Tony's extra curricular activities after a race is not a team thing. If Tony had done something that was team related such as calling his pit crew to come back him up, then I would agree with you. Joe Gibbs racing had absolutely nothing to do with Tony's "chat" with Brian.........unless you want to say that JGR is responsible for everything Tony does. Tony did that on his own........not in coordination with his team. But, we don't know the whole story there either (a rather common problem with speculative comments on a forum). Perhaps NASCAR sent notes "home" for Joe to sign and return about his behaviour......who knows :) . The penalties have been dealt........it will solve the problem or it won't. Time will tell.
 
Helton got one thing right, "the action we've taken speaks for itself".

It should be interesting to see what happens if Stewart continues to act like a child, while under probation. (My apologies to all the children out there)

"Smoke gets in your eyes", huh, Helton?
 
But Tony did say;
"I understand and accept NASCAR's penalty," Stewart was quoted as saying. "With NASCAR's continued growth and their rise in mainstream popularity, I realize their rules have become stricter than they were in the past. And after meeting with (NASCAR Chairman and CEO), Brian France, I know it's my job to live within those rules."
"I'm putting this incident behind me, and I plan no further comments," Stewart said. "I'm going to focus on Daytona and the remaining races before the final 10-race run for the championship."&nbsp;
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They couldn't possibly have taken Tony out of the Race for the Championship could they? :blink:
Ask yourself just one question, if the participants had been Vickers and Lil'E would the penalty have been any different? Vickers and Kyle Petty? Vickers and McMurray? The 1st is an obvious crowd favorite and in the RftC. The 2nd is well liked and doesn't stand a snowballs chance of sniffing the Championship this year. The 3rd is on the cusp of getting in and is probably neutral at best on fan reaction.
I'm sure NASCAR is hoping a similiar incident doesn't happen soon and they are counting on the fans having a very short memory when it does happen again.
 
I'm a Ford guy so I have no conflict on this matter, but I thought the penality was a little harsh. Tony should be careful as I think Home Depot may frown upon this behavior. Would HD push JGR to fire him if he continues? If I was an owner and had the HD sponsorship, I would fire Tony rather than risk losing HD.
 
Originally posted by 95cobraR@Jul 1 2004, 07:16 AM
I'm a Ford guy so I have no conflict on this matter, but I thought the penality was a little harsh. Tony should be careful as I think Home Depot may frown upon this behavior. Would HD push JGR to fire him if he continues? If I was an owner and had the HD sponsorship, I would fire Tony rather than risk losing HD.
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But if you fire Tony you risk losing HD. I'm sure HD wants a driver that has a chance of winning. They would would prefer he act more civilized at times, but you know what they say about publicity.

Any publicity is good publicity.
 
Originally posted by 95cobraR@Jul 1 2004, 08:16 AM
I'm a Ford guy so I have no conflict on this matter, but I thought the penality was a little harsh. Tony should be careful as I think Home Depot may frown upon this behavior. Would HD push JGR to fire him if he continues? If I was an owner and had the HD sponsorship, I would fire Tony rather than risk losing HD.
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What you have said is slightly contradictary, isn't it? First you state that you think his punishment is too harsh, then you state that if "you" were the owner of the team you'd fire Tony. Did I read it wrong??? :blink:
 
Whizzer, i agree completely with you. The punishment does still seem rather light.
 
This kind of sheds new light on the Biffle rumors, if Tony keeps getting in trouble Biffle would be a perfect fit for the #20 ride. I think Home Depot would like him in that car.
 
Originally posted by majestyx+Jul 1 2004, 08:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (majestyx @ Jul 1 2004, 08:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--95cobraR@Jul 1 2004, 08:16 AM
&nbsp; If I was an owner and had the HD sponsorship, I would fire Tony rather than risk losing HD.
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What you have said is slightly contradictary, isn't it? First you state that you think his punishment is too harsh, then you state that if "you" were the owner of the team you'd fire Tony. Did I read it wrong??? :blink:


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No, sorry, I wrote it poorly. I should have stated: If I was the owner (and had the HD sponsorship) and HD gave me the option of keeping Tony or loosing HD, I'd keep HD. HD has it's Hdq's near me and I know some of the white collar guys. They are a conservative bunch and seemed embarrassed by the previous (off track) incidents. Maybe I read them wrong (like dinoforthe3 said....maybe they like the publicity... and just don't like to admit it to the media)?

No flame intended for Tony. I think he is a great driver. I just think they have alot of great drivers but few big-time sponsorships available.
 
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