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Handymac

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Busch brothers---seemingly trying for the idiot driver title vacated by the Bodine brothers.

Older brother can't see the forest for his own inflated ego and little brother evidently still thinks he is the Bumpem Car King.

Gonna be a shame if they keep up current habits.
 
and these are the only 2 drivers with ego problems?...and the only 2 drivers who will bump in to other drivers?.....apparantly you didn't see the #26 weapon on the track today......Kyle Bush is 20 and has won 2 races and his brother is 27 and has 13 wins and a Nextel Cup Championship under his belt.......Gee ya think those brothers can drive? unlike the Bodine Brothers..........

You might want to change those nicknames to Champ and young good driver....
 
Handymac said:
Busch brothers---seemingly trying for the idiot driver title vacated by the Bodine brothers.

Older brother can't see the forest for his own inflated ego and little brother evidently still thinks he is the Bumpem Car King.

Gonna be a shame if they keep up current habits.
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Well Handymac, I know that you won't like what I'm going to say, but when the accident, or rather the one that almost happened in which Martin saved his car, I believe that it was Mark's fault for blocking. But it seems that as long as you are Mark Martin, you can do no wrong in the eyes of the announcers.

I agree with what Tony Stewart said after the race and that if things don't change, there will be more death on the track. If it isn't blocking, it's bump drafting. Both of those tactics can and have caused terrible results, and all of them do it. I also believe that Mark thought about what was happening and decided that he'd better hang back til later in the race rather than to block any more.
 
Yeah, I like Mark---and he is one of the few drivers left everyone says is still a gentleman one the track. So, you may see the incident today as his fault---why did NASCAR caution Crash Busch to settle down?

Mark has lost more positions making sure a wreck does not happen than any other driver I have seen yet---at least a competitive driver.

Both Busch boys---and I emphasize the BOYS----need to mature and realize there is more to racing with 20 or 42 other drivers than just their place on the track. They do have a lot of talent---I have no problem admitting that. They are loud mouthed unscrulupous poor examples of what NASCAR is trying to get drivers to be. Even Tony and Jimmie Johnson have learned better manners. ;)
 
Handymac said:
So, you may see the incident today as his fault---why did NASCAR caution Crash Busch to settle down?
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Probably because Mark Martin complained about it too much because he never does anything wrong. He was a blocking champion today and I recall hearing it announced that someone from mark's pit was going to go down and "find out what the 5 car's hurry was"...if you notice, Kyle led a lot of laps after that...I suppose he didn't want to be stuck behind a bunch of cars.

On another note, I'm impressed that anyone would think it was Martin's fault after the Mark Martin love fest that Benny Parsons had during the race. McMurray and Martin must pay that guy.
 
wp4x4 said:
and these are the only 2 drivers with ego problems?...and the only 2 drivers who will bump in to other drivers?.....apparantly you didn't see the #26 weapon on the track today......Kyle Bush is 20 and has won 2 races and his brother is 27 and has 13 wins and a Nextel Cup Championship under his belt.......Gee ya think those brothers can drive? unlike the Bodine Brothers..........

You might want to change those nicknames to Champ and young good driver....
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Geoff won most of his races in great cars...but he didnt have great cars his entire career...Todd has never had a great car...and actually...neither did Brett.

Kurt and Kyle were both handed great cars when they came into the sport...they were expected to win...lets see if they would have won races if they drove cars that were equal to the Bodine boys.

BTW im not a Bodine fan at all...I worked for Geoff...he's a dick.
 
Kyle led a lot of laps after that...I suppose he didn't want to be stuck behind a bunch of cars.
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This gives him permission to drive however he likes. The rest are suppose to just pull over and let him on by. OIC
 
all he was trying to do is pass...were he expecting cars to move over for him, he probably would have been on the radio saying things like "doesn't he know what we're racing for here?".
 
wp4x4 said:
Gee ya think those brothers can drive? unlike the Bodine Brothers..........
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Guess you did not see any truck races last year.....i think a Bodine won like 4 or the last 5 races. :growl:
 
To esorlxaw
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I guess you can't recognize the fact that Mark has won the respect of most drivers and folks associated with NASCAR because he deserves that respect.

You have a right to yoir opinions---regardless of how inane they are. ;)
 
Yep! Plate racing... Like Smoke said."somebody is going to get killed"..
Hey the arca cars have a better system with that rpm regulator.. Give em a clean car and as much horsepower as they can make and regulate the rpm to a maximum. Soulds like a better idea to me than the plate. Use the same engine they use at all tracks.
Betsy
 
The Busch Bros. have no one but themselves to blame for their reputations and actions speak louder than any words that may fall from their mouths.
 
Handymac, one question for you. If you have earned a great reputation beacuase of your skill and patience, are you immune to criticism? Are you above making mistakes?

Should a rookie move over for you? Should everyone move over for you? Step out from behind that #6 fan mentaility and understand something...this is racing and if you are going to block the guy behind you from passing you, don't expect him to slam on the brakes and wreck himself and those behind him. You wanna block, understand that your actions cause reactions and not all of them will be positive.

You are getting the same attitude that Jimmie Johnson has gotten and that is everyone should give me all the room I want. Afterall, I'm a big fan fav. :rolleyes:
 
buckaroo said:
You are getting the same attitude that Jimmie Johnson has gotten and that is everyone should give me all the room I want. Afterall, I'm a big fan fav. :rolleyes:
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I've heard Mark Martin on the radio trying to get his spotter to tell other drivers to move out of his way MANY more times than Jimmie has done.

And, Handymac, having respect for someone DOES NOT mean that they should just move over out of his way and give him space.
 
Martin needs to stop thinking that everyone should pull over for him and Busch needs to understand that he's not the only car on the track travelling 190mph+.

Should be an entertaining 500!
 
Yeah, Mark is a whiny spoiled brat.

Give me a freakin break!

Mark has helped more drivers and been more polite on and off track than most drivers---moving over without prompting when the other guy is faster. I guess it is too much to ask for drivers to pay back.

Mark blocks----and in this case, early in the run, almost everyone put Crash at fault for being too aggressive too early----or actually takes what track was his at the time----and folks slam him for being too rough.

Y'all are comical.
 
Handymac said:
Yeah, Mark is a whiny spoiled brat.

Give me a freakin break!

Mark has helped more drivers and been more polite on and off track than most drivers---moving over without prompting when the other guy is faster. I guess it is too much to ask for drivers to pay back.

Mark blocks----and in this case, early in the run, almost everyone put Crash at fault for being too aggressive too early----or actually takes what track was his at the time----and folks slam him for being too rough.

Y'all are comical.
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WOW! It's nice when someone puts words in my mouth. Not ONCE did I call Mark Martin a whiny spoiled brat. YOU did. And, NOONE has disputed that Mark Marting is polite on and off the track. BUT, he WAS blocking in the Shootout, so get over yourself. I am a Jimmie Johnson fan. If I took to heart all of the trash-talk that is done on this board about Jimmie I wouldn't be here, but I'm not going anywhere. Mark Martin, nor any other driver for that matter, is a PERFECT human being and race car driver. Don't treat him as a God, and you won't get your feelings hurt.
 
majestyx said:
nor any other driver for that matter, is a PERFECT human being and race car driver. Don't treat him as a God, and you won't get your feelings hurt.
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Bravo!
 
majestyx said:
I've heard Mark Martin on the radio trying to get his spotter to tell other drivers to move out of his way MANY more times than Jimmie has done.
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:rolleyes: Well...yea....Look how long mark has been driving. Give Jimmie a little more time, he'll get there.
 
My feelings are not hurt and I do not think Mark is anything more than a really good driver. So, you need to heed your own words about putting words in someone elses mouth.

I did not see Mark was blocking. You did. We will not ever come to an agreement there. Done deal.

I am a NASCAR fan first and a driver fan second. But, I started being a Mark Martin fan back when he drove in the ASA.

I used to admire Jimmie for his attitude---that is changing and my admiration lessens. I never liked Stupid Busch---even when he won the Gong Show and was hired by Roush. I tend to like or dislike drivers for the way they conduct business, in the seat and out.

So, you have no idea who i am or how I think. ;)
 
Handymac said:
My feelings are not hurt and I do not think Mark is anything more than a really good driver. So, you need to heed your own words about putting words in someone elses mouth.

I did not see Mark was blocking. You did. We will not ever come to an agreement there. Done deal.

I am a NASCAR fan first and a driver fan second. But, I started being a Mark Martin fan back when he drove in the ASA.

I used to admire Jimmie for his attitude---that is changing and my admiration lessens. I never liked Stupid Busch---even when he won the Gong Show and was hired by Roush. I tend to like or dislike drivers for the way they conduct business, in the seat and out.

So, you have no idea who i am or how I think. ;)
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And, you have no idea who I am or how I think either. No, we will probably never agree, so we'll just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

BUT............you will STOP the name calling. You can either refer to the drivers by the names their parents gave them, or DO NOT talk about them. Take your pick. It ends RIGHT HERE with your usage of the monikers "Stupid and Crash" Busch for Kurt and Kyle Busch. If you don't like it, move along.
 
Just to make sure there are no misunderstandings---what happens if I do not stop referring to them---or anyone else for that matter----by other than their given names?
 
DAYTONA BEACH - Kyle Busch thinks Nextel Cup's veteran drivers should look elsewhere for scapegoats in the latest "slam-drafting" blowup. It's not necessarily young drivers like him that prompted NASCAR's new policy to curb the dangerous practice of ramming a fellow driver from behind at 190 mph, he said. Drivers like defending series champion Tony Stewart, who said after the Bud Shootout on Sunday that "we're going to kill somebody," are among the culprits.

"From what I've seen, it's been more of the veterans that have been causing the whole thing," Busch said. "I was leading the Shootout, I had Denny Hamlin behind me and Tony Stewart was behind him and Stewart was pushing Hamlin just before the tri-oval, through the tri-oval. Then Hamlin got onto my rear bumper and was pushing me as well through the tri-oval. We were all bumper to bumper through the tri-oval and who's heading that? Tony Stewart is. I'm not doing it."

Busch said he put himself in a bad situation in running up behind Mark Martin in Turn 3, making Martin's No.6 Ford wobble and bump Jamie McMurray up the track. That was a mistake, he said, not a slam-draft.

"My Mark Martin situation," he admitted, "yeah, that was pretty stupid on my part, putting my nose in there."

Most drivers agree bumping should not be done in corners, but at the same time say they need to do so to compete.

Busch said he didn't want to "point fingers," but was unwilling to take the blame. He said he had a dent in his rear bumper after practice earlier this week courtesy of Stewart.

"I don't want to be the bad guy, but I don't want to have fingers pointed at me either," he said.

Stewart deferred comment on the new policy to penalize rough driving until he sees it at work, but other drivers were skeptical. Ryan Newman called it "a joke because NASCAR's job is to control the races, not control the drivers," and that "any judgment call in racing is not good for racing
 
Handymac said:
Just to make sure there are no misunderstandings---what happens if I do not stop referring to them---or anyone else for that matter----by other than their given names?
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Well, first off, bashing, trashing and slashing isn't wanted on this forum. If you cannot refer to someone without out using a derrogatory name, then your parents should have taught you better manners. It will not be tolerated on this forum, and IF you cannot abide by that then I might suggest you find another forum. Or, you can refer to them by their real name and stick around. Yes, it's that simple. Quite a few of the members here have made a mistake in doing the same thing, and MOST of them have agreed to discontinue such derrogatory name-calling. Most that didn't agree to, well, they aren't here anymore, and that is of their own choosing for the most part.

If you have any more questions, I would appreciate it if you'd take it to PM, as this is the LAST I will be discussing this on the open board.

Thank you.
 
Man, has this forum changed. When I first joined this place, there were more people throwing rocks and name calling of the drivers than weren't and the owner of the board was one of the worst. Actually, he banned more people because they argued with him that he was way too hard on any driver or poster for that matter.

Maj, I understand the reasoning behind the "no bashing" policy, but without some criticism here and there, we wouldn't be able to discuss the racing. I hope we aren't getting a bit too PC here and banning people because they offend someone else.
 
I understand that policy well---I am a moderator on a website and see this kind of thing often.

I am a bit surprised at the objection to what I thought were rather innocuous names.

Point is, their house, their rules.

I have an objection to rules feel are being applied arbitrarily, being in the business of applying similar rules myself.


So, I will heed the advice----with a parting hint---it is not nice to assume one's parents did a bad job. Some folks get really upset about that. I can see the ignorance behind the remark and am man enough to let it go.
 
Handymac said:
Busch brothers---seemingly trying for the idiot driver title vacated by the Bodine brothers.

Older brother can't see the forest for his own inflated ego and little brother evidently still thinks he is the Bumpem Car King.

Gonna be a shame if they keep up current habits.
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Kyle made another one of his stupid moves again in the Daytona 500. When is this gonna stop?
 
and Stewarts move on Kenseth was not stupid?and kyle did not back down from big bad Tony either....he's only 20 but has alot of guts
 
I don't care much for kurt but I didn't come by my dislike of him in a season. Kyle has the potential to be something really special in NASCAR. I'll wait a year or so and see how he matures before forming a solid opinion. He sure is fun to watch though :)
 
i havent like kurt busch since i went to daytona in 2004 and watched jr. win his first 500. we had out scanners on and listened, early in the race, busch bumped jr. and it caused him to get a flat , he had to pit, which put him a lap down, WHICH WAS HIS OWN FAULT, and later in the race jr. needed him to draft him to the lead and we heard elf boy tell jrs crew hell no, you caused me to be a lap down. well in the end jr didnt need his help he still won but since that day i have hated busch, i think him and his brother suck.
 
I lost respect for Kurt during the Jimmy Spencer incodent but thought he was starting to earn it back until the end of last season. I have no problem with Kyle.

By the way, I find Mark Martin to be one of the most annoying drivers out there. When he didn't retire last year I was very dissapointed.
 
Well it's obvious Kurt is not the most likable guy out there...but for the most part I don't think he really cares,

and I think it's kinda funny he told Overrated golden boy #8 he wasn't going to help him win a race....but oh well Kurt has something ole Golden boy doesn't....a Nascar Championship! :cool:
 
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