Sunoco on the way out? Shell in?

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Sunoco on the way out? Shell in? Is NASCAR ready to bail out of its sponsorship deal with Sunoco as the official fuel in order to make a more lucrative deal with Shell? That's the word on the street. A Shell deal would give NASCAR a much bigger presence out on the highway, because Shell has more than 20,000 service stations in the United States, and that's four times as many as Sunoco.
 
It's all about the almighty $$$$. Nascar sure has changed..but whenever something starts becoming successful big business always rears its ugly head!
 
Originally posted by SpeedTrap@May 23 2004, 10:13 AM
It's all about the almighty $$$$. Nascar sure has changed..but whenever something starts becoming successful big business always rears its ugly head!
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Ugly head? If not for big business, where would the economy be? Economy is about money. Without economy there's no jobs. Without jobs we are "third world"!! :blink:

If NASCAR doesn't go for the money, then NASCAR becomes small time. Races go away, drivers leave, fans go elsewhere.........the sport dies! Why is money such a bad thing? Sunoco can't compete with Shell? Then why should NASCAR "carry" them? :wacko:
 
That sucks too because Sunoco had 113 octane gas they were using. I saw it when i did worked with the Richard Petty DS... The fuel was blue!
 
I have a feeling this "talk on the street" is purely speculation...........a little soon to be thinking of switching sponsors. But if it's true, it seems maybe Sunoco may be wanting out. We don't know anything.........in fact this the first I've heard about it. :)
 
I would think that Sunoco would do everything possible to keep in Nascar. If the rumor is true.
 
Originally posted by SpeedTrap@May 23 2004, 05:13 PM
It's all about the almighty $$$$. Nascar sure has changed..but whenever something starts becoming successful big business always rears its ugly head!
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Whether Sunoco or Shell is the sponsored gasoline of NASCAR , the reason for it all, of course, is money. Why is this bad ???
I wonder how many of those questioning this rumored change, if it were in their power to decide, would stay with Sunoco over Shell if Shell proposed no less than one million dollars anually over the best offer from Sunoco ??? If you respond honestly, the decision is an easy one, benefitting Shell.

The hardest yet most loyal decision came from Bill France Sr., and later Jr., when Pepsi Cola was removed from being the lead sponsor of the July Daytona race. Pepsi backed Bill France, Sr., at a time when no one else would touch his "pie in the sky" scheme and massive debts incurred during the building of the Daytona facility. There was more than thirty years of loyalty to Pepsi from two different presidents of NASCAR, while refusing more lucrative contracts from others in an attempt to dislodge Pepsi-Cola. This raises the question, how long is a debt of loyalty held or considered to be repaid before a change can be made ??

Still once again, a rumored change brings about the cry of how NASCAR has changed.
So has the world, parenting, civil rights, school discipline, automobiles, voting age, the internet, clothing styles, and any other number of things.

From the time NASCAR was founded in 1947 to the present, the intent and purpose behind NASCAR has been to operate as a business. To make money.

When NASCAR ran as many as 100 races a year, every race was run as a business. When tracks dropped or were left off the schedule, it was strictly business.

The differences between changes made by NASCAR in the fifties and NASCAR in the new millenium are the number of fans, made possible by changes from NASCAR operating as a business, how quickly the fans are made aware of the changes and the number of people who are affected by the them. For the most part, the changes benefit NASCAR as a business, bringing in more fans which translate into more sponsors, more money benefitting the teams and drivers plus the overall economy.

The blue color in Sunoco is not new.
Sunoco began placing blue dye in their pump gasoline product in the late 1950's. When deliveries were made, service station dealers had two or three separate tanks and there were four or five octane gradients, selected at the pump. The grades were concocted by a metering device at the pump with the highest octane "mixer" drawn from a separate tank.
We use to buy it unmixed for our 1940 flathead V-8 stock car.
Although I do not recall the octane rating of the "mixer", for our purpose, it was overkill and very expensive.
 
Two Words - Mike Mulhern.

Be careful what you believe folks.
 
Nascar has heard the rumors too B)


NASCAR denies Shell-for-Sunoco rumor


--NASCAR has categorically denied that Sunoco will be replaced by Shell as official fuel of the sport.

A NASCAR spokesman dismissed the story that started this rumor as "rank nonsense."

According to a published report in the Winston-Salem Journal this past weekend, NASCAR may be looking to get out of its current deal with Sunoco in favor of Shell.

In addition, NASCAR president Mike Helton said the association between the two has never been stronger.

"Any suggestion that it isn't, is absolutely false," Helton said.
 
Originally posted by WideOpenPhoto@May 24 2004, 02:53 PM
Who is Mike Mulhern?
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Mike Mulhern is the guys that writes this drivel for the Winston-Salem Journal (or as a friend of mine from Winston-Salem calls it, the Winston-Salem Urinal.)

There is thread here somewhere where I looked at his articles over a short span of time and listed all his reports that were proved false within a very short period of time.

He's simply making most of this stuff up.
 
Originally posted by Whizzer+May 24 2004, 09:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Whizzer @ May 24 2004, 09:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--SpeedTrap@May 23 2004, 05:13 PM
It's all about the almighty $$$$. Nascar sure has changed..but whenever something starts becoming successful big business always rears its ugly head!
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Whether Sunoco or Shell is the sponsored gasoline of NASCAR , the reason for it all, of course, is money. Why is this bad ???
I wonder how many of those questioning this rumored change, if it were in their power to decide, would stay with Sunoco over Shell if Shell proposed no less than one million dollars anually over the best offer from Sunoco ??? If you respond honestly, the decision is an easy one, benefitting Shell.

The hardest yet most loyal decision came from Bill France Sr., and later Jr., when Pepsi Cola was removed from being the lead sponsor of the July Daytona race. Pepsi backed Bill France, Sr., at a time when no one else would touch his "pie in the sky" scheme and massive debts incurred during the building of the Daytona facility. There was more than thirty years of loyalty to Pepsi from two different presidents of NASCAR, while refusing more lucrative contracts from others in an attempt to dislodge Pepsi-Cola. This raises the question, how long is a debt of loyalty held or considered to be repaid before a change can be made ??

Still once again, a rumored change brings about the cry of how NASCAR has changed.
So has the world, parenting, civil rights, school discipline, automobiles, voting age, the internet, clothing styles, and any other number of things.

From the time NASCAR was founded in 1947 to the present, the intent and purpose behind NASCAR has been to operate as a business. To make money.

When NASCAR ran as many as 100 races a year, every race was run as a business. When tracks dropped or were left off the schedule, it was strictly business.

The differences between changes made by NASCAR in the fifties and NASCAR in the new millenium are the number of fans, made possible by changes from NASCAR operating as a business, how quickly the fans are made aware of the changes and the number of people who are affected by the them. For the most part, the changes benefit NASCAR as a business, bringing in more fans which translate into more sponsors, more money benefitting the teams and drivers plus the overall economy.

The blue color in Sunoco is not new.
Sunoco began placing blue dye in their pump gasoline product in the late 1950's. When deliveries were made, service station dealers had two or three separate tanks and there were four or five octane gradients, selected at the pump. The grades were concocted by a metering device at the pump with the highest octane "mixer" drawn from a separate tank.
We use to buy it unmixed for our 1940 flathead V-8 stock car.
Although I do not recall the octane rating of the "mixer", for our purpose, it was overkill and very expensive. [/b][/quote]
Excellent post Whizzer. :cheers: :cheers:
 
Glad to see Sun Oil grow into larger series. My Grandfather was something like the 52nd employee hired at the Marcus Hook facility many years ago. They make a very good product, but as documented here are not the largest Oil co. out there.
 
Whizzer, I reallly liked your post. Very informative.
Gads!!!!! Gonna have to be careful here!!! LOL
If I start agreeing too much, people will "talk"! ROTFL!!!!

And thanks TonyB, if MM had anything to do with it,
i wouldn't believe him if he swore on a stack of Bibles!!!!!
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UPDATE: NASCAR has categorically denied that Sunoco will be replaced by Shell as official fuel of the sport. A NASCAR spokesman dismissed the story that started this rumor as "rank nonsense." In addition, NASCAR president Mike Helton said the association between the two has never been stronger. "Any suggestion that it isn't, is absolutely false," Helton said. "Sunoco and NASCAR are in the first year of a ten-year commitment for Sunoco to provide the world's best racing gasoline to NASCAR. Sunoco has exceeded our expectations in the quality of the fuel they delivering flawlessly to the race track. In addition, the company is marketing and promoting our sport in new ways, which will help NASCAR to attract new fans and to continue to grow. By all measures, this partnership between NASCAR and Sunoco has been a huge success. NASCAR is looking forward to the next decade together, and hopefully beyond."(NASCAR.com)(5-25-2004)
 
Had to look for a minute but found this for you :cheers:

"Sunoco will replace Conoco Phillips'Unocal "76" brand as the official fuel provider of NASCAR in 2004. After the recent merger of Conoco, Inc. and Phillips Petroleum Company, the company's marketing strategy shifted; Conoco Phillips chose not to renew the 76 fuel supplier contract, which expires at the end of the 2003 season"
 
jeese Winston and 76 have been with nascar for almost the begingg, wern't they
 
Originally posted by millermagic@May 26 2004, 08:42 PM
jeese Winston and 76 have been with nascar for almost the begingg, wern't they
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At least 40yrs :cheers:
 
it's all about change these days... oh yeah, and bills as well.
 
Originally posted by Jmac42VaFan+May 27 2004, 12:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jmac42VaFan @ May 27 2004, 12:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--millermagic@May 26 2004, 08:42 PM
jeese Winston and 76 have been with nascar for almost the begingg, wern't they
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At least 40yrs :cheers: [/b][/quote]
Winston has been associated as sponsor of "The NASCAR Winston Cup Series" since 1971 as a part time sponsor offering a cash payout to the NASCAR champion for specific events. Winston became a full time sponsor in 1972 and stayed until this year, a total 32 years as series sponsor.

Pure Oil Corporation, has been involved since I began following NASCAR in 1958 and was the original gasoline supplier for NASCAR.
Pure Oil Corporation, through a series of sales over the years eventually became Union 76. I cannot recall exactly how long they have been associated with NASCAR, but it must be close to fifty years.

NASCAR was formed in 1947, and the first race run in 1949. If the first year of formation is considered, NASCAR is 57 years old as an organization but if the year the first race was held is considered, it is 55 years old.
 
Originally posted by Whizzer@May 27 2004, 08:52 AM
NASCAR was formed in 1947, and the first race run in 1949. If the first year of formation is considered, NASCAR is 57 years old as an organization but if the year the first race was held is considered, it is 55 years old.
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The series that we know as the Cup series didn't begin until 1949. It was called the "Strictly Stock Series" that year. The name was changed to "Grand National" in 1950.

But NASCAR as a sanctioning body for motorsports was functioning in 1948 sanctioning over 50 events (mostly modified.)
 
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