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Digger
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who won?
Regan Smith
nascar.com has Regan scored as the last car on the lead lap.
nascar.com has Regan scored as the last car on the lead lap.
Stewart.
The rule is that you can go below the yellow if forced but YOU CANNOT ADVANCE YOUR POSITION.
The rule is that you can go below the yellow if forced but YOU CANNOT ADVANCE YOUR POSITION.
They Should of at least scored Smith as 2nd. If he did not go below the yellow line he would of wrecked Tony, Backed out Paul would of hit him in the rear.
2003 Spring Dega, Dale JR passed below the yellow line and they let him keep the win. And i belive some people on this very board were saying "Jeff Forced him down so it's ok"
2003 Spring Dega, Dale JR passed below the yellow line and they let him keep the win. And i belive some people on this very board were saying "Jeff Forced him down so it's ok"
If you advance your position by going below the yellow line you must relinquish the position or you go to the end of the longest line.
I guess it's NASCAR's decision as to whether or not the driver was forced below the line.
wilson89
Team Owner
I know i will get heat for this but something tells me if the rolls where revearsed and Tony passed Regan below the line to win they would of said Tony wins. I just find this as a way for Nascar to get a big name in victory lane. 
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steveluvs3
Guest
well that explains why he is 18th
I agree. I would say, in the given event, go back to the previous scoring loop. Overall, Regan should have gone high.
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
Tony forced him below the line.....Smith should win
Bucky Badger
Go Kyle Go
I don't think that is the rule.
I think the rule you can go below the line on you own you want as long as you don't advance you position. I think it's different if you are forced like smith was.
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bowtie
Guest
exactly, Stewart wins
I think that's the wording. Go under it all you want, just don't pass anybody in doing so. All race there were drivers bouncing left and right across the backstraight line.
In your opinion, who should have been given the Cup victory at Talladega?
Regan Smith
12946 57%
Tony Stewart
9598 43%
nascar.com poll
Regan Smith
12946 57%
Tony Stewart
9598 43%
nascar.com poll
MRM
Team Owner
People just don't understand the rule.
No driver can make a pass below the yellow line, forced or not forced.
No driver is to be under the yellow line unless forced down there, but still cannot advance a position.
If a position is gained after being forced below the line, the driver must immediately give back that position.
Any driver advancing a position by passing under the yellow line and not giving it back is hit with a pass-through penalty.
Since Smith's illegal pass was on the last lap, they cannot issue a pass-through penalty, so he's moved to the tail of the lead lap cars as though he did take a pass-through penalty.
Some drivers said they heard they can pass anywhere on the last lap. Either those drivers heard something that was not said or NASCAR is covering their own butts because they are saying they never said that. Unless someone has evidence of them saying that, you have to take it a face value. It's like Dale Jarrett said after the race, it doesn't make sense to have a different rule for the last lap of the race.
No driver can make a pass below the yellow line, forced or not forced.
No driver is to be under the yellow line unless forced down there, but still cannot advance a position.
If a position is gained after being forced below the line, the driver must immediately give back that position.
Any driver advancing a position by passing under the yellow line and not giving it back is hit with a pass-through penalty.
Since Smith's illegal pass was on the last lap, they cannot issue a pass-through penalty, so he's moved to the tail of the lead lap cars as though he did take a pass-through penalty.
Some drivers said they heard they can pass anywhere on the last lap. Either those drivers heard something that was not said or NASCAR is covering their own butts because they are saying they never said that. Unless someone has evidence of them saying that, you have to take it a face value. It's like Dale Jarrett said after the race, it doesn't make sense to have a different rule for the last lap of the race.
Whizzer
Gig'em
During the truck race on Saturday, one of the announcers, I believe it was Phil Parsons, said passing below the yellow line was permitted on the last lap.
The statement was made by Ramsey Posten, NASCAR's communications director after a controversy over a Daytona race in 2007 that ended with similar circumstances. Posten is quoted as saying, "When you can see the checkered flag, you can get all you can get".
During driver interviews yesterday afternoon, NASCAR Spokesman Jim Hunter denied making the statement (he didn't, Posten did) and refused to comment on it.
The statement was made by Ramsey Posten, NASCAR's communications director after a controversy over a Daytona race in 2007 that ended with similar circumstances. Posten is quoted as saying, "When you can see the checkered flag, you can get all you can get".
During driver interviews yesterday afternoon, NASCAR Spokesman Jim Hunter denied making the statement (he didn't, Posten did) and refused to comment on it.
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carsntunes
Guest
While I don't have the NASCAR rule book in front of me (come to think of it, is there really one?), I can't interpret the yellow line rule. All I have is recollections of past enforcement of the said rule, which has been as inconsistent at best. What I came away with from this race is a new found respect for the driving ability of Regan Smith. I have virtually ignored him since his arrival on the scene, but will be paying more attention to him. He had a career day that cannot be measured with his finishing position.
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SST55
Guest
They should put a curb, better yet a wall so if you're forced down you bounce off the wall and take out whoever forced you.
Nascar again proves their consistency at being inconsistant. The rules should not be open to interpretation or subjective. It's like being pregnant, you are or you aren't.
With the new seats and head restraints a driver can't see a car moving up on him, he has to rely on his spotter. On a big track that in itself can be a problem. A 1 second delay on the spotter's part can result in the big one or what we saw yesterday with Tony and Regan.
Funny how nascar condones blocking yet if a driver 'moves' another that driver can be hit with a rough driving penalty.
Nascar again proves their consistency at being inconsistant. The rules should not be open to interpretation or subjective. It's like being pregnant, you are or you aren't.
With the new seats and head restraints a driver can't see a car moving up on him, he has to rely on his spotter. On a big track that in itself can be a problem. A 1 second delay on the spotter's part can result in the big one or what we saw yesterday with Tony and Regan.
Funny how nascar condones blocking yet if a driver 'moves' another that driver can be hit with a rough driving penalty.
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SST55
Guest
Yes, there really is. I have a old one,,,,somewhere.
Unlike NHRA Nascar guards who has access to their rule book with a vengeance. It is not availible to the public in general. You get one copy per car. In addition to purchasing your license as a owner and paying to register your car you get to buy a rule book.
VaDirt
Dirt Track Fanatic
One thing I think everyone's forgetting when bringing up the truck series is this. Truck series races and the series itself are run by a different series director, different race director, and different officials. I mean, remember, they have parked truck drivers before, and given out (or not) penalties that differed greatly from what you see in Cup.
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They are interviewing Todd Bodine right now on Sirius. He said they were told in the Truck Driver's meeting that if you can see the Start/Finish line on the last lap you can pass below the yellow line. This reinforced what they did with Johnny Benson last year. He says Smith should have won. He says that maybe Cup has a different rule than Trucks.
<Now that would be a hoot if the rules were different between the series>.
Chocolate Myers asked him when could you see the S/F line. Bodine said you can't see the line until you are almost on it. Maybe 100 feet away.
<So did Nascar build in a grey area that they can use at their discretion>?
<Now that would be a hoot if the rules were different between the series>.
Chocolate Myers asked him when could you see the S/F line. Bodine said you can't see the line until you are almost on it. Maybe 100 feet away.
<So did Nascar build in a grey area that they can use at their discretion>?
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sledge
Guest
The whole yellow line rule is dumb as crap anyway. Get rid of the line all together on the front stretch and let whatever happens, happen. If a driver is crazy enough to try and pass in the grass then let it go. I'm sure Carl Edwards would say "I can do it in a video game so I went for it."
Just my two cents.
Just my two cents.
MRM
Team Owner
The problem is drivers used to do that and caused big wrecks. Mike Skinner drove Stewart down in the grass before the paved the area on the backstretch and came back into the path of other cars. He caused a huge wreck because of that.
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dannynascar
Guest
Smith got robbed. Nascar does whatever the heck it wants anyway. no need to get upset over it. But he'll just wreck him next time.
I agree. If there's 24 feet of pavement below the yellow line and the track-to-apron angle is under 8 degrees, the line dont need to be there.
wilson89
Team Owner
After thinking about it for a day i think Regan should of tried to make his move on the backstreach, I know Paul would of went with him. As for the call i still think it was a BS call and i think after this incident come next years Daytona 500 Nascar is gonna have a clear cut rule so they dont look stupid again.
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sledge
Guest
They need to do more than that to keep themselves from looking stupid again. The only clear cut rule nascar has is that the car has to have four tires.
Throw out the yellow line, on the back strech and front strech, and just let em race!
No --- I was at the 1999 Daytona 500 race when Jeff was on the apron going into to turn 1 --- a car had just come out of the pits and was on the apron in front of the pack. There was just enough room for Jeff to get back on the track without piling into the slower car.
It could have been disastrous.
VaDirt
Dirt Track Fanatic
Agreed. Look what happened earlier this year with, was it Setzer? He cam off the apron into a pack of cars. If they were to let everyone just race below the yellow line, bad things would be much more likely to happen.
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mudslinger47
Guest
Key wording in that paragraph, is "as we go forward" meaning they changed there minds on the fly.
Greg Biffle and Jeff Gordon both basicly said, Regan should not have went below the yellow line and if the other car comes across your nose, oh well--- JG
And the Bif said they have now taught Regan what he has to do on the last lap.
I will guarantee you what Tony would have done.
Duane
Greg Biffle and Jeff Gordon both basicly said, Regan should not have went below the yellow line and if the other car comes across your nose, oh well--- JG
And the Bif said they have now taught Regan what he has to do on the last lap.
I will guarantee you what Tony would have done.
Duane