Team owner Ray Evernham says
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YEH, RIGHT!
kelloggs5TLfan
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Sure, I believe that one
I'll bet she gets the job done just like Monica L.
I'll bet she gets the job done just like Monica L.
muggle not
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Smoke, Smoke, Smoke, that cigar.
puff puff puff and if you smoke yourself to death, tell St. Peter at the pearly gates, that you hate to make me wait, but you got to have yourself another cigrette!
OK my spelling sucks, so you can tell i know the song and did not google it....haha
OK my spelling sucks, so you can tell i know the song and did not google it....haha
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WNY24Fan
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and if you smoke yourself to death, tell St. Peter at the pearly gates, that you hate to make me wait, but you got to have yourself another cigrette!
OK my spelling sucks, so you can tell i know the song and did not google it....haha
LOL The way I remember that part was: ...tell St. Peter at the Golden Gate you just hate to make him wait, you just gotta have another cigarette!
I don't think that's the right lyrics, but that's how we sang it in college.
OK... I just hit google..and it depends on who sang it whether it says "gotta" or "got to"... but...........there is a BUT(t) in there......
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Digger
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Erin Crocker's pretty hot though 
She doesn't come close to Lindsay (who's still hotter than Kirsta) though.
She doesn't come close to Lindsay (who's still hotter than Kirsta) though.
Sounds to me like Ray has finally worked his way through his mid-life crisis.
kelloggs5TLfan
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I sure hope you are right TRL. I like Ray. I don't want to see him ruin his life.
buckaroo
Here kitty, kitty, kitty
I find that for the most part, those who are actually discussing this thread are the women here. Now I wonder why that is...
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I think it'll be good for Crocker. Now she can go to a new team and start over again fresh without the distraction of being involved with someone from her race team. Whatever team she's go's to, if she gets a ride, the first rule is, "NO DATING ANYONE ON THE TEAM OR WHO OWNS THE TEAM". Rule number 2 "NO ONE ON THE TEAM OR WHO OWNS THE TEAM IS TO ASK HER OUT OR IS ALLOWED TO HAVE ANY ALONE TIME WITH HER". I dunno about her being much of a role model for women racers, if anything she set the movement back a few notches. If she had been out there tearin up the NCTS at every stop winning races, it would've been different. She seemed to have a few quality runs in the ARCA series, someone like maybe Hendrick Motorsports because they have an excellent driver developement program needs to pick her up for that.
kelloggs5TLfan
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Old habits are hard to break. Ray wasn't her first owner.
buckaroo
Here kitty, kitty, kitty
kelloggs5TLfan
Team Owner
Hmmm, are you suggesting that she sells herself?
No, she is the one who appears to make the suggestions.
Crocker seeks new start to help restore credibility
By David Caraviello, NASCAR.COM
July 28, 2007
04:57 PM EDT
INDIANAPOLIS -- Erin Crocker wants to restore her credibility as a driver. To do that, she might have to start all over again.
The former sprint-car standout, whose move into NASCAR stalled after she began dating team owner Ray Evernham last year, is looking for another ride so she can try and rekindle the promise she showed in becoming the first female driver to win a World of Outlaws race. Evernham, who spoke publicly about the relationship for the first time Friday, said the best way for Crocker to do that is to move to another team.
Not giving up
It's been a struggle for female drivers in NASCAR but that hasn't stopped Erin Crocker, who wants to be the first to find her way to the Cup Series.
Complete story, click here
"That's something that we had both talked about. I think at this point, to earn myself credibility again and to have another fair shot and prove what I can do on the racetrack, I need to run for another organization," Crocker said Saturday at Indianapolis Motor Speedway, site of Sunday's Allstate 400 at the Brickyard.
"I've had an incredible time at Evernham Motorsports, to race for one of the top Nextel Cup teams no matter how, what or when. I earned my way there on merit. I won a World of Outlaws race and was chosen by Ford Motor Company in the beginning, and ended up going with Dodge and with Ray. I think at this point, I want to earn that credibility back. I want to earn some more respect and go off on my own and do what I came here to do."
Crocker currently competes part-time in an Evernham Motorsports Dodge in the ARCA series, where she has four top-five finishes in seven starts this season, and 10 top-10s in 20 starts since 2005. But those results have been overshadowed by happenings off the track -- she lost car sponsor Betty Crocker when parent company General Mills decided to devote more resources to the Petty Enterprises team, and she's been surrounded by innuendo about her relationship with Evernham, 23 years her senior.
Evernham admitted Friday that his relationship with Crocker hurt the career of a driver once considered the standard-bearer for women in racing.
"If I say to somebody, 'I think she's got talent, you should sponsor her,' my credibility is not good because of the personal relationship," he said. "I believe in her. We're trying to support her through her ARCA program. She has a lot of things going on, and hopefully something will open for her. She's talked to some Busch teams and [Craftsman] Truck teams. Again, I feel like she's even a role model for female drivers. She can get the job done. The best thing for us to do, personally and professionally, is to help her go with another race team."
Speculation over the nature of their relationship was difficult for both sides to avoid. "There was some negative media stuff. You try to say you can ignore that and do your thing on the racetrack, but it gets to you," Crocker said.
"We did our part to not let it affect our performance," Evernham added. "I think what happened is, a lot of stuff that was written and a lot of stuff that was said and reported probably had people forming opinions that were probably not true. I don't know how you do things differently. I thought we were very professional with everything that we did, and continue to be. But people are going to draw their opinions from what the media reports."
Compounding that was the fact that in some instances, Crocker seemed rushed up the career ladder. Her short-lived 2005 attempt to move into the Busch circuit, accompanied by a big promotional splash from Betty Crocker, was "somewhat of a disaster," she says. In 25 Craftsman Truck starts last year, she failed to crack the top 10 in what Evernham now admits wasn't the best of equipment.
It led to a long season of lost confidence and self-doubt.
"I had kind of a rough winter," Crocker said. "All my life I've excelled in things to some extent, whether it was college lacrosse or out of college racing the Outlaws or making the Knoxville Nationals, or winning a World of Outlaws race and coming up to NASCAR and running well in ARCA my first year. Last year was the first year when everything went wrong. I shouldn't say that, I had some decent races ... there were some good moments. But it was kind of like a see-how-strong-you-are winter. See if you can climb back out of it. It probably took me the longest to climb out of it than when I've ever had something knock me down before."
Now, running a limited ARCA schedule, she's trying to fill in the empty weeks -- working as a radio pit reporter, exploring the idea of doing television, trying to stay fit. And hoping that some team owner will give her a chance.
"I feel good about my driving. I just want things to be positive again. I want to earn that credibility as a driver that I had when I got here," she said. "... I still feel like I can make a difference and make my name in this sport."
By David Caraviello, NASCAR.COM
July 28, 2007
04:57 PM EDT
INDIANAPOLIS -- Erin Crocker wants to restore her credibility as a driver. To do that, she might have to start all over again.
The former sprint-car standout, whose move into NASCAR stalled after she began dating team owner Ray Evernham last year, is looking for another ride so she can try and rekindle the promise she showed in becoming the first female driver to win a World of Outlaws race. Evernham, who spoke publicly about the relationship for the first time Friday, said the best way for Crocker to do that is to move to another team.
Not giving up
It's been a struggle for female drivers in NASCAR but that hasn't stopped Erin Crocker, who wants to be the first to find her way to the Cup Series.
Complete story, click here
"That's something that we had both talked about. I think at this point, to earn myself credibility again and to have another fair shot and prove what I can do on the racetrack, I need to run for another organization," Crocker said Saturday at Indianapolis Motor Speedway, site of Sunday's Allstate 400 at the Brickyard.
"I've had an incredible time at Evernham Motorsports, to race for one of the top Nextel Cup teams no matter how, what or when. I earned my way there on merit. I won a World of Outlaws race and was chosen by Ford Motor Company in the beginning, and ended up going with Dodge and with Ray. I think at this point, I want to earn that credibility back. I want to earn some more respect and go off on my own and do what I came here to do."
Crocker currently competes part-time in an Evernham Motorsports Dodge in the ARCA series, where she has four top-five finishes in seven starts this season, and 10 top-10s in 20 starts since 2005. But those results have been overshadowed by happenings off the track -- she lost car sponsor Betty Crocker when parent company General Mills decided to devote more resources to the Petty Enterprises team, and she's been surrounded by innuendo about her relationship with Evernham, 23 years her senior.
Evernham admitted Friday that his relationship with Crocker hurt the career of a driver once considered the standard-bearer for women in racing.
"If I say to somebody, 'I think she's got talent, you should sponsor her,' my credibility is not good because of the personal relationship," he said. "I believe in her. We're trying to support her through her ARCA program. She has a lot of things going on, and hopefully something will open for her. She's talked to some Busch teams and [Craftsman] Truck teams. Again, I feel like she's even a role model for female drivers. She can get the job done. The best thing for us to do, personally and professionally, is to help her go with another race team."
Speculation over the nature of their relationship was difficult for both sides to avoid. "There was some negative media stuff. You try to say you can ignore that and do your thing on the racetrack, but it gets to you," Crocker said.
"We did our part to not let it affect our performance," Evernham added. "I think what happened is, a lot of stuff that was written and a lot of stuff that was said and reported probably had people forming opinions that were probably not true. I don't know how you do things differently. I thought we were very professional with everything that we did, and continue to be. But people are going to draw their opinions from what the media reports."
Compounding that was the fact that in some instances, Crocker seemed rushed up the career ladder. Her short-lived 2005 attempt to move into the Busch circuit, accompanied by a big promotional splash from Betty Crocker, was "somewhat of a disaster," she says. In 25 Craftsman Truck starts last year, she failed to crack the top 10 in what Evernham now admits wasn't the best of equipment.
It led to a long season of lost confidence and self-doubt.
"I had kind of a rough winter," Crocker said. "All my life I've excelled in things to some extent, whether it was college lacrosse or out of college racing the Outlaws or making the Knoxville Nationals, or winning a World of Outlaws race and coming up to NASCAR and running well in ARCA my first year. Last year was the first year when everything went wrong. I shouldn't say that, I had some decent races ... there were some good moments. But it was kind of like a see-how-strong-you-are winter. See if you can climb back out of it. It probably took me the longest to climb out of it than when I've ever had something knock me down before."
Now, running a limited ARCA schedule, she's trying to fill in the empty weeks -- working as a radio pit reporter, exploring the idea of doing television, trying to stay fit. And hoping that some team owner will give her a chance.
"I feel good about my driving. I just want things to be positive again. I want to earn that credibility as a driver that I had when I got here," she said. "... I still feel like I can make a difference and make my name in this sport."
The Cool Down Lap: Best wishes on the job search, Erin Crocker
Reid Spencer /Sporting News NASCAR Wire Service
I wish all the best to Erin Crocker as she tries to find a new job as a racecar driver.
But I fear for her future in the sport.
In a variety of published reports last weekend, team owner Ray Evernham, 49, admitted that his relationship with Crocker, 26, had a negative effect on her career.
"I don't think it's any secret that because of the personal relationship between Erin and I, it hurt her career," Evernham told The Associated Press on Friday. "The proper thing to do, and something her and I would like to do, is move her to another race team.
"I think the girl has a lot of talent. But if I sit here and say to somebody, 'Look, she's got a lot of talent, you should sponsor her,' my credibility is not good because of the personal relationship."
Crocker drove for Evernham in NASCAR's Craftsman Truck Series last year, but lack of sponsorship brought her participation in that series to a halt. This year, Crocker has been competing in the ARCA Series for Evernham Motorsports.
Talking about the relationship is an about-face for Evernham, who consistently refused to discuss his personal life when stories linking him with Crocker romantically began to surface last year.
It's safe to say Evernham's recent disclosures aren't mere happenstance. For months now, Evernham has been negotiating a partnership with Montreal Canadiens owner George N. Gillett, who told Dominic Fugere of Le Journal de Montreal on Sunday that he expects the deal to close within two weeks.
Gillett is wise to the ways of the corporate world and doubtless recognizes the distraction factor -- not to mention the potential legal liability -- inherent in Evernham's retaining Crocker as an employee while the two maintain a personal relationship.
Just last August; Jeremy Mayfield sued Evernham after being relieved of his driving duties, citing Evernham's "close personal relationship" with Crocker as a key element in Evernham's alleged inability to perform his day-to-day responsibilities, as the contract between driver and owner required.
In his response to the lawsuit, Evernham denied that his job performance was materially affected. The case was settled out of court.
There has been speculation that Crocker's status as an employee has been an impediment to the Gillett deal, and that it also may have been a stumbling block in Evernham's search for sponsorship dollars in the face of reports that Dodge may reduce its presence on the hoods of the Evernham cars next year.
Whether to facilitate Evernham's business plans or to relaunch an unambiguous career, Crocker must find a ride elsewhere -- but who will hire her?
An informal poll of a handful of Nextel Cup owners and managers failed to elicit a serious answer to the question, "Would you consider putting Erin Crocker in one of your cars?"
Instead, there were snickers, or responses such as, "I don't think my wife would approve."
Crocker's job search in a series in which Evernham Motorsports also competes understandably will be difficult and complicated. A potential employer might fear pillow talk about springs, shocks and horsepower, whether or not justified.
ESPN.com's story Friday on Evernham-Crocker cites Evernham as admitting he might have "moved Crocker along too fast."
That, of course, raises the issue of preferential treatment and undermines Crocker's credibility as a driver.
I'm not here to judge the wisdom or propriety or substance of the relationship between Evernham and Crocker. In the business world, it's generally a bad idea for a boss to date an employee, no matter how smitten he or she might be. But people fall in love. It happens.
That doesn't, however, mitigate the consequences. It will be extremely difficult for Crocker to receive a fair and impartial evaluation of her talent by a potential new owner. No matter how fast she drives, it will take her years to outrun the perception that she competed in two of NASCAR's top three series at least in part because she is Ray Evernham's girlfriend.
So I hope there's an owner out there who can dismiss the baggage and give Crocker a chance to prove herself.
I wish her all the luck in the world in her job search.
But I fear for her future in the sport.
This story was produced by the Sporting News NASCAR Wire Service
Reid Spencer /Sporting News NASCAR Wire Service
I wish all the best to Erin Crocker as she tries to find a new job as a racecar driver.
But I fear for her future in the sport.
In a variety of published reports last weekend, team owner Ray Evernham, 49, admitted that his relationship with Crocker, 26, had a negative effect on her career.
"I don't think it's any secret that because of the personal relationship between Erin and I, it hurt her career," Evernham told The Associated Press on Friday. "The proper thing to do, and something her and I would like to do, is move her to another race team.
"I think the girl has a lot of talent. But if I sit here and say to somebody, 'Look, she's got a lot of talent, you should sponsor her,' my credibility is not good because of the personal relationship."
Crocker drove for Evernham in NASCAR's Craftsman Truck Series last year, but lack of sponsorship brought her participation in that series to a halt. This year, Crocker has been competing in the ARCA Series for Evernham Motorsports.
Talking about the relationship is an about-face for Evernham, who consistently refused to discuss his personal life when stories linking him with Crocker romantically began to surface last year.
It's safe to say Evernham's recent disclosures aren't mere happenstance. For months now, Evernham has been negotiating a partnership with Montreal Canadiens owner George N. Gillett, who told Dominic Fugere of Le Journal de Montreal on Sunday that he expects the deal to close within two weeks.
Gillett is wise to the ways of the corporate world and doubtless recognizes the distraction factor -- not to mention the potential legal liability -- inherent in Evernham's retaining Crocker as an employee while the two maintain a personal relationship.
Just last August; Jeremy Mayfield sued Evernham after being relieved of his driving duties, citing Evernham's "close personal relationship" with Crocker as a key element in Evernham's alleged inability to perform his day-to-day responsibilities, as the contract between driver and owner required.
In his response to the lawsuit, Evernham denied that his job performance was materially affected. The case was settled out of court.
There has been speculation that Crocker's status as an employee has been an impediment to the Gillett deal, and that it also may have been a stumbling block in Evernham's search for sponsorship dollars in the face of reports that Dodge may reduce its presence on the hoods of the Evernham cars next year.
Whether to facilitate Evernham's business plans or to relaunch an unambiguous career, Crocker must find a ride elsewhere -- but who will hire her?
An informal poll of a handful of Nextel Cup owners and managers failed to elicit a serious answer to the question, "Would you consider putting Erin Crocker in one of your cars?"
Instead, there were snickers, or responses such as, "I don't think my wife would approve."
Crocker's job search in a series in which Evernham Motorsports also competes understandably will be difficult and complicated. A potential employer might fear pillow talk about springs, shocks and horsepower, whether or not justified.
ESPN.com's story Friday on Evernham-Crocker cites Evernham as admitting he might have "moved Crocker along too fast."
That, of course, raises the issue of preferential treatment and undermines Crocker's credibility as a driver.
I'm not here to judge the wisdom or propriety or substance of the relationship between Evernham and Crocker. In the business world, it's generally a bad idea for a boss to date an employee, no matter how smitten he or she might be. But people fall in love. It happens.
That doesn't, however, mitigate the consequences. It will be extremely difficult for Crocker to receive a fair and impartial evaluation of her talent by a potential new owner. No matter how fast she drives, it will take her years to outrun the perception that she competed in two of NASCAR's top three series at least in part because she is Ray Evernham's girlfriend.
So I hope there's an owner out there who can dismiss the baggage and give Crocker a chance to prove herself.
I wish her all the luck in the world in her job search.
But I fear for her future in the sport.
This story was produced by the Sporting News NASCAR Wire Service
LOL The way I remember that part was: ...tell St. Peter at the Golden Gate you just hate to make him wait, you just gotta have another cigarette!
I don't think that's the right lyrics, but that's how we sang it in college.
OK... I just hit google..and it depends on who sang it whether it says "gotta" or "got to"... but...........there is a BUT(t) in there......
I ment to put him, but me came out....lol....Just ask any of the members that have been around a while, i have my own offical language!
I ment to put him, but me came out....lol....Just ask any of the members that have been around a while, i have my own offical language!
Yep, LAPPYNESE!