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Great-grandma dared cop to Tase her, so he did
was stopped for doing 60 mph in a 45 zone in her pickup truck on a highway near Austin, Texas. After Deputy Chris Bieze finished writing the ticket, he gave it to her and asked her to sign it.

Winkfein refused. Bieze insisted, saying he would have to arrest her if she didn’t sign the ticket. When she wouldn’t sign, he opened the door to the truck and told her to get out.
 
man, even the little old lady's in texas must be some bad azz individuals. good thing that cop knew how to handle her. <g>
 
Slow, you would not have wanted to tangle with my grandma. She was about 5 feet tall, maybe 100lbs soaking wet, but she'd tear anybody a new one if she thought they needed it. :)

Sure miss her. :(
 
man, even the little old lady's in texas must be some bad azz individuals. good thing that cop knew how to handle her. <g>
Age doesn't matter with people. Read the thread about the shooting at the holocaust memorial -- the dude is 88 :eek:
 
Slow, you would not have wanted to tangle with my grandma. She was about 5 feet tall, maybe 100lbs soaking wet, but she'd tear anybody a new one if she thought they needed it. :)

Sure miss her. :(

sounds like my deceased grandmother. hmm, sounds like my mom too except for a few inches taller and heavier. <g>

my grandmother's hair was longer than she was. she only cut the dead ends as long as i can remember and wore it in braids on top. that beautiful gray hair was something to see when she brushed it every night. i doubt i'll ever see anything like it again. :(
 
This woman got exactly what she deserved. Everybody is talking about how tough she is. Being beligerant, rude, and unlawful doesn't take much toughness, but it does take a pretty selfish and greedy woman.

I loved seeing the video of her telling a local news team how she had been mistread. She claims she did nothing wrong and that everything the cops said she did were bold face lies. Then they release the video showing how badly she lied and behaved and she is now strangely silent.

I think the officer, and or the police department should sue this idiot for defamation of character.
 
Signing the ticket is not an admission of guilt, at least not here. It just means you acknowledge you have been given a citation. You have to follow the instuctions on the ticket. Depending on the offense you may be able to pay by mail if you want or you can appear in court on the date specified to plead your case.

I find it unacceptable that a cop who is a foot taller and a good 100 pounds heavier had to tase a 72 yo woman. He completely lost control of the situation. What's he going to do when he has to breakup a barroom brawl?

<edit> Before I get flamed, my grandfather started his carreer as a RC Mountie, became a cop when he moved here, then a constable. Over 50 years wearing a badge. My uncle died in his patrol car, heart attack. My brother just retired as a LT with 32 years. And lil ol' me was a reserve officer for a short time a very long time ago.
 
Now, personally, if a cop insisted that I sign a ticket, I'd insist that he stand there and watch me read every single word on the ticket (or even insist that he read it to me) before signing. He can't force you to sign without reading it. Then I would simply put an X on the line. And I don't believe that you're obliged to sign it here. Indeed, given that they're perfectly willing to ticket a vehicle by speed camera, the courts don't require it either.

Frankly, I agree with your assesment. Granny may have been a *****, but the cop was incompetent. It's a speeding ticket, son. Not a weapons violation. Not a car theft. Not tax evasion. Mark on the ticket that she refused to sign it, give her her copy and move along. You've got your dashboard cam if you need courtroom proof. As for her lying ... cops cover their asses, and each others, all the time. They're frequently getting caught now, thanks to the plethora of digital cameras out there.
 
The signing of the ticket does not admit guilt. It is saying that you will appear in court on the date specified. IOW it's letting you off on your own recognizance. If you refuse to sign then you should be arrested and booked and then make bail if you want out of jail.

Oh, and if he had grabbed her to force handcuffs or something then there is the possibility of excess of force.
 
Oh, and if he had grabbed her to force handcuffs or something then there is the possibility of excess of force.

come on bp. you think tasering a 72 year old woman half his size is less excessive?
 
Some are frail so that grasping them by the arm may cause serious bruising or worse. What would you have done?

well i'd have started by being polite. <g> i can honestly say tasering her wouldn't have entered my mind unless she went for a weapon. not an imaginary one but one you can see. maybe texas cops need to travel in pairs at all times so they won't feel so overpowered ticketing little old ladys. :)
 
How do you know he wasn't polite before she started her tirade against him?

Citing a police report, the newspaper also said that Winkfein refused to sign a citation Beize issued her, telling the cop he was "going to have to take her to jail." Beize told her that she was going to be arrested for the refusal, at which point Winkfein got out of the vehicle and started to berate him, an arrest affidavit says.
"She was using language I wouldn't expect any woman to use, let alone a 72-year-old woman," Sgt. Maj. Gary Griffin told the newspaper. Griffin also said that Winkfein had pushed Beize into oncoming traffic.
After being checked out by an ambulance crew at the scene, the woman was taken to jail and charged with resisting arrest. Winkfein could face up to one year in jail and a hefty fine over the incident, the newspaper said.

So you're polite. She doesn't have a weapon. So what do you do? Do you arrest her? How? Do you not arrest her and allow her to drive off? I still don't see where he did anything wrong. She refused a lawful order. She was beligerent. She had the attitude that her age should allow her to act contrary to what society expects.
 
had to replay the tape to see where she pushed the officer into oncoming traffic. hmm, must have been edited out. i'm sure glad the officer was trying not to hurt her though. <g> i guess we will have to wait and see what a jury has to say about this hardened criminal with a bad attitude. they always cry police brutality and sue for no reason at all. that's assuming she can find a lawyer that will take such a weak case.
 
Tasering Granny may be construed as excessive force as she wasn't committing assault/battery upon the officer, this from a RI State Trooper my daughter is friendly with. NO! Not that kind of friendly. She's a EMT and sees them all the time.
He says that cop lost control of the situation, he should have called for back up as soon as the situation deteriated.
That they have been instructed to strickly limit the use of the taser and pepper spray on elderly persons as they may have unknown underlying medical conditions that if used may result in death. COPD, pacemakers etc.
 
had to replay the tape to see where she pushed the officer into oncoming traffic. hmm, must have been edited out. i'm sure glad the officer was trying not to hurt her though. <g> i guess we will have to wait and see what a jury has to say about this hardened criminal with a bad attitude. they always cry police brutality and sue for no reason at all. that's assuming she can find a lawyer that will take such a weak case.

Yes the tape was edited. You also don't see the cussing out she laid on the cop. If you watch the counter numbers on the tape you can see them jump. Why they were edited IDK. Maybe so the trial won't be tainted.
 
Yes the tape was edited. You also don't see the cussing out she laid on the cop. If you watch the counter numbers on the tape you can see them jump. Why they were edited IDK. Maybe so the trial won't be tainted.

but by editing like it is it taints in favor of the woman so that doesn't make sense, unless of course that's a point of view you are trying to project. maybe an unedited video is available on the net. frankly, i haven't bothered looking for one. i'm sure in time the unedited version will appear.

** what did we do before youtube?

Raw: Texas cop Tasers 72 year old, great-grandmother
 
i can see both sides under those circumstances. it was a situation that should have never gotten so out of hand. that appears to be grandma's fault. hard to see tasing as the best solution though. the people of texas will have to eventually decide if the outcome was justifiable.
 
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