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Texas wins second date in legal settlement: Martinsville added to list of losers

If it weren't for bad luck, there be no luck at all...

That seems to be the motto for poor old Darlington Raceway

Darlington and North Carolina Speedway in Rockingham, both owned by International Speedway Corp., will probably be sold to rival Speedway Motorsports Inc. The deal wiil be part of a settlement in a pending lawsuit between shareholders from Texas Motor Speedway, an SMI track, and NASCAR.

When that happens, two of the three race dates between Darlington and Rockingham will go to,Bruton Smith's Speedway Motorsports Inc. owned, Texas and Las Vegas tracks. That would leave just one date to be shared every other year between Darlington and Rockingham, and the date would include a Nextel Cup, Busch Series and Craftsman Truck Series race.

Sources also say that Darlington is losing its spring race to Kansas City, Phoenix or Chicago - all ISC tracks which have a larger capacity than NASCAR's oldest superspeedway at Darlington.

When the change occurs, nine of the 36 Cup points races would be held west of the Mississippi River. Ten years ago, the series had two such races. Five years ago, there were five such races.

Smith would not comment Tuesday about the settlement talks other than to say, "That's up to my lawyers to get it resolved."

He reaffirmed his belief that Texas and Las Vegas should have two Cup races each per year.

"The drivers, the car owners and the people that are supporting this sport of ours, they all want to go to Vegas," Smith said of a second race there.

"When you look at Texas, you look at Fort Worth and Dallas, that metroplex is huge. I see some of the figures where they combine it and it becomes the third largest city in the country."

Smith built Texas Motor Speedway to capitalize on a population of more than 2 million people in the county and the nation's seventh-largest TV market.

Smith contends that NASCAR promised him a date for Texas, but he never received it. Texas has a date only because Smith bought half-ownership of North Wilkesboro Speedway and moved one of that track's dates. Bob Bahre bought the other half-ownership of the North Carolina track and moved North Wilkesboro's other date to his track, New Hampshire International Speedway, giving it two Cup races a year.

Francis Ferko, a shareholder in Speedway Motorsports Inc., filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Sherman, Texas, on Feb. 13, 2002, claiming NASCAR and International Speedway Corp., comprise a monopoly. Ferko claimed that by not giving Texas a second date as allegedly promised, his stock is not as valuable. Another shareholder, Russell Vaughn, joined the lawsuit last year. The case is scheduled for a July trial date. That trial now seems unlikely.

Jim Hunter, NASCAR's vice president of corporate communications said that "there are some things on the table," in regards to a settlement. Six weeks ago, NASCAR Chairman Brian France said he wasn't interested in a settlement.

"My preference is that we go try it in the courtroom," France said at Daytona. "A lot of the facts are in … and when you look at it -- and I've had a chance to look at it -- this whole idea that we're an anti-competitive environment isn't a reality. Speedway Motorsports has benefited immensely with the Nextel Cup series and NASCAR's push in general."

A spokeswoman for International Speedway Corp. did not return a phone call Tuesday seeking comment.

There could be a large financial gain to moving races to the west. More than 180,000 people attend the Texas race -- about three times the size of Darlington's crowd Sunday. Las Vegas had a crowd of about 150,000 for its race this month -- about three times the size of Rockingham's crowd last month.

Those numbers equal big business. Rusty Wallace says he sold more souvenirs in two days at Las Vegas than in two weeks at Daytona this year. Wallace says his No. 1 track for selling souvenirs is Texas. He says those tracks are important for many reasons.

"You've got to listen to what the sponsors need, because these things run off of money," Wallace said of race teams, many of which have annual budgets of about $15 million. "They don't run off of feelings and stuff like that.

"We need to go to the venues that pay a lot of money, and it's really good for the sponsors, because if it's not good for the sponsors, they're not going to sponsor us and Team Penske won't be in business. That's just the way it is."

"I am not going to comment on rumor and speculation," Darlington Raceway President Andrew Gurtis said. "I am still on high after enjoying a banner weekend, and I'm not going to justify a comment."

Gurtis said he met this past weekend with NASCAR officials but nothing was ironed out as far as next year's schedule, which is typically released in the summer. Gurtis said he will meet with NASCAR again in late spring about the 2005 season.

"As far as I am concerned, we got two races for next year," he said. "We've hosted great races for the Cup series three years in a row. We had a sold-out Southern 500 last year and a record crowd for the Carolina Dodge Dealers 400."

Cathy Mock, Darlington Raceway's public-relations specialist, handled the issue of a possible sale to Smith curtly: "We don't comment on rumor and speculation, nor do we comment on pending litigation."

Darlington winner Jimmie Johnson addressed the subject on Tuesday morning.

“I definitely understand the history of our sport and the tracks that are behind our sport,” said Johnson. “Darlington’s been there for a long, long time, but with the growth of our sport, we’ve got to do what’s necessary to keep it alive and growing. We have a high saturation of races within the North Carolina area. There are areas within four or five states with only one event each year. We do need to spread the schedule out to help the sport grow.”

But Johnson loves racing at Rockingham and Darlington, and he also understands the fact that quality should count for something.

“Ideally, there should be one event at every track, and we should have 36 different tracks in 36 different states,” he said.

Rumors of the track losing one of its dates have been swirling for several years and have picked up steam because of the lawsuit, which was filed two years ago by Texas Speedway shareholders Francis Ferko and Rusty Vaughn.

The suit alleges possible antitrust violations in NASCAR's relationship with ISC. NASCAR officials deny that a promise for a second Cup date at Texas was made.
The case is supposed to go to trial in July, but reports indicate an out-of-court settlement is close to being reached.

When Rockingham's race in February didn't sell out, despite fine weather and good promotion, its days appeared numbered.

ISC and NASCAR executives, meanwhile, have their own operations to consider. NASCAR is laying the groundwork for negotiating a new network TV package, and ratings are slumping and sponsors are few and far between. So NASCAR wants to sweeten the pot for the networks by adding the Seattle market and adding a second tour stop in Kansas City, or possibly Chicago (more likely Kansas, since it is owned 100 percent by ISC). And now Darlington Raceway and Martinsville Speedway have suddenly been dragged into the speculation.

There has been speculation on and off for several years that ISC would be willing to sell Darlington to Smith and let him move a Cup date to Texas, because Darlington, an hour south of Rockingham, typically doesn't do well at the gate. This past Sunday's crowd at Darlington was a fine one, but the stands were almost empty on Friday and Saturday. Compare that to Las Vegas, for example, where Friday qualifying drew 50,000 and Saturday's Busch race drew more than 100,000.

Rusty Wallace said he sold more souvenirs in two days at Las Vegas than he did during all of SpeedWeeks at Daytona.

"You cannot deny how big it is out here, and how much we need to be out here twice," Wallace told NASCAR officials at Las Vegas.

So there is renewed speculation that ISC is willing to sell Darlington to Smith, possibly to move a Cup date to Las Vegas.

How much might Darlington cost? In terms of facilities, not much at all. However, its two Cup dates would be worth millions, particularly if those dates were moved to Dallas-Fort Worth and/or Las Vegas. Smith wasn't willing to put a price tag on the old track: "First, I would have to find out if it's for sale. Then I'd have to find to out what they want for it. I'm not going to bid for another man's property. Maybe I can't afford it."

Richmond International Raceway, for example, cost ISC $137 million; Las Vegas was valued at $150 million when Smith bought it.

Over the weekend, sources in Texas pointed to Martinsville Speedway as a possible candidate to lose a tour race if ISC is realigned.

Clay Campbell, the head of Martinsville Speedway, couldn't be reached for comment yesterday on that, but Mike Smith, Martinsville's public-relations director, said that there's nothing to that report and denied that Campbell had sold controlling interest in the track to the France family.

"That's when the rumors start flying, when there's something going on, but we weren't ever on the hot seat," Mike Smith said.

Martinsville Speedway is a curious creature, in fact.

"ISC has never had any interest in this track," Mike Smith said. "But the France family itself does. The family owns 50 percent of the track, but that is separate from ISC.

"Nothing has been sold."

So could the France family take its 50 percent in the form of a Cup date and move it to another track if it wished?

"I wouldn't have any idea," Mike Smith said. "I wouldn't even want to comment, that's so far above my head. But I can tell you this with some certainty, there isn't any chance of any dates leaving here.

"Obviously I can't see 10 years down the road, but in the immediate future it certainly isn't going to happen. And what I can speak to are the rumors that we could lose a race next season, and that's not going to happen.

"You never say never about anything, that's what Clay always says, but we have no reason to think we would lose a date because we're doing everything NASCAR has asked," Smith said. "We're selling out events, we've got good TV ratings, we have the amenities we need. So we still feel very comfortable.

"These type rumors just crop up every now and then, and we just try to stamp them out and keep selling tickets." :( :angry: :( :angry: :(
 
WOW, after all that...my head hurts, I need beer! So in tens years, will Nascash be running 50 weeks out of the year?
 
What is the source for that article? Would you please post the link?

I find it very hard to believe that ISC just spent a million or more dollars to install lighting at Darlington and they're considering closing it.

I think I'll hold off my opinions on this till I see more concrete evidence this is really going to happen.
 
I'm with Eagle on this one. Too many rumors swirling around in the middle of the race week.
 
I'd hate to see any of that happen,so it probably will ;) NASCAR seems intent on dumping on the history and tradition of its Series,just to make room for more cookie-cutter tracks,stop the freaking madness,before U find a lot of valued former fans turn Their backs on NASCAR,JMO ;)
 
Too many rumors!!! I wish the speculation would stop and just wait for it be officially announced! Whatever it is!!! I have stated this before, and I will do so again. I would LOVE to have another race here in Texas. But, Absolutely NOT at the expense of a track with the history of Darlington, Rockingham, Martinsville, etc.... It makes no sense that ISC would put out the money to install the SAFER barrier walls and lighting for night races, just to turn around and sell the track to SMI. But, then when in the world does the two words sense and ISC/Nascar really fit into the same sentence anyways! I like the racing at Texas. So do the drivers! What you see on the television broadcast, well, it just DOES NOT due the race justice! Until I see a press release from ISC/Nascar/SMI, will I then believe anything that is said. ;)
 
Majestyx,

I clearly understand your point of view re: Rockingham, Darlington and Martinsville.... However, if those tracks want to keep races, they need to sell the dates out (not just Sunday, but also Saturday). Apparently last Friday and Saturday were dead in Darlington.... Just to be clear so I am not misquoted... I hope NASCAR can work something out so Darlington and Martinsville keep there dates. Those races are spectacular!!!!! However, Texas should get another race date. If another race date is given to Texas, over 425,000 fans will see NASCAR in Texas each year. Those seats WILL sell out. Give more opportunity to spread the fan base. Seeing a race in person is the best way to get someone hooked. Then they watch on TV!

Aggiewes
 
Originally posted by Aggiewes@Mar 24 2004, 03:25 PM
Majestyx,

I clearly understand your point of view re: Rockingham, Darlington and Martinsville.... However, if those tracks want to keep races, they need to sell the dates out (not just Sunday, but also Saturday). Apparently last Friday and Saturday were dead in Darlington.... Just to be clear so I am not misquoted... I hope NASCAR can work something out so Darlington and Martinsville keep there dates. Those races are spectacular!!!!! However, Texas should get another race date. If another race date is given to Texas, over 425,000 fans will see NASCAR in Texas each year. Those seats WILL sell out. Give more opportunity to spread the fan base. Seeing a race in person is the best way to get someone hooked. Then they watch on TV!

Aggiewes
:cheers: :cheers:

But this still may be just a rumor! :) It's pretty much "out of the blue"............I mean I would think there would be more noise about a possible settlement leading up to a settlement. Last I heard that was more or less hard news was that NASCAR was willing to let it be litigated in court. But your stance on any track keeping it's race dates depends on that track's ability to fill the stands for the races is right on target. :cheers:
 
Martinsville is an absolutely awesome place to watch a race. That would really tick me off if they were to take a race from Martinsville to give it to any other track. Texas is ok, but it is no Martinsville.
 
Nascar has already implemented a playoff system, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to split it into two leauges a few years down the road. This would open up the possibility of adding more tracks in addition to keeping races at older tracks.
I don't like this idea but think it might be on Nascar's mind.
 
Martinsville is the most boring track on the circuit, kudos to the decision makers if this deal goes through!
 
Think Brian's been talking to Cale? In the mode of the TRAC series? :D
 
This particular article is from the KnowYour NASCAR yahoo group. When it was posted to the list, the poster didn't indentify the source.

That said, it's the same thing that's posted on about 100 different sites about the rumor of a settlement of TMS lawsuit.
 
Originally posted by Happy29@Mar 25 2004, 01:49 AM
Martinsville is the most boring track on the circuit, kudos to the decision makers if this deal goes through!
actually Happy, I think you have Martinsville mixed up with Talledega or Daytona?
 
Originally posted by Happy29@Mar 24 2004, 08:49 PM
Martinsville is the most boring track on the circuit, kudos to the decision makers if this deal goes through!
Wow, you must be smokin some good isht! :lol:













:blink:
 
If Martinsville goes away how long before other short track races begin to disappear. I miss North Wilkesboro. The short track races are the foundation of the sport and I would hate to lose them. I don't ever see losing Bristol, but if the others left the two Bristol races would not be enough to satisfy my short track fix.

The sport has too many 1.5 mile tracks right now, if any new tracks were built I would love to see them build more short tracks.
 
Daytona USED TO BE a "road/beach" course.

Gimme road courses and short tracks over the cookie cutters ANY TIME!
 
I say lets go back the sand at Daytona!!! :cheers: :cheers:


Come on, guys............we ain't even sure about any of this!! :) And here we are bitching about 1.5 mile "cookie cutters"!! :) Seems everyone has their favorite type of track..............shorts are by far the favorite of most here on this board, but it really looks like the money is made at those "cookie cutters". And money talks........as the saying goes. :)

We all wanted to be big time.............well, here we are!! :D
 
Didn't Krista Voda mention last night on her telecast the possiblilty of selling Darlington and Rockingham so Texas and Vegas would get another date? That puts it out of the rumor stage and in the mainstream. It may still not happen due to the costs. But, the winds are swirling and it's not looking good for the Lady in Black.
 
Just because it's 'mentioned' on a tv telecast or in newspaper print, still doesn't make it fact. Like I said, until a person of authority from ISC/Nascar/SMI goes public with any settlement agreement or such, then and only then will I believe any of this dribble. ;)
 
Guess it's not looking so good, this is in the NASCAR.com newsletter.

NASCAR.com

Texas could get second Cup race without trial
By Stephen Hawkins, The Associated Press March 24, 2004
9:04 AM EST (1404 GMT)




FORT WORTH, Texas (AP) -- Texas Motor Speedway could get another NASCAR Nextel Cup race without a trial.

The attorney for a track shareholder who sued NASCAR over its refusal to award a second event said Tuesday that progress is being made in settlement talks.

ALSO
• Track Page: Texas





Samuel Cherry said the plaintiffs and NASCAR have agreed not to discuss specifics of the 2-year-old suit.

"As far I know, there are talks under way," NASCAR spokesman Jim Hunter said. "It's in the best interest of the sport that we get this behind us,"

Texas Motor Speedway president Eddie Gossage had no comment. The track and Speedway Motorsports Inc., the company that owns and operates Texas and five other tracks, are not directly involved in the suit.

Francis Ferko, a shareholder in Speedway Motorsports, filed suit after SMI's board of directors refused his request to sue NASCAR.

In the suit filed in U.S. District Court in Sherman, Texas, Ferko claimed NASCAR breached "implied" and "express" contracts by not awarding a second Cup race to Texas.

SMI chairman Bruton Smith and Gossage have contended since the $250 million track opened in 1997 that they have not been given a second date by NASCAR as promised. NASCAR insists it never promised Texas another race.

The current race came when Smith bought the now-defunct track in North Wilkesboro, N.C., and moved one of its events to Texas.

All seven NASCAR races at Texas have sold out. Another crowd of more than 200,000 is expected for the Samsung/RadioShack 500 on April 4.
 
Rumors of this move have been going on now for about a year. First, I heard that Texas would take one of the two Darlington race dates. Now, there's talk that the owner of TMS will buy out Rockingham, considering the race this year didn't have a sell-out crowd due to cold wheather, and move it's race date to Texas.
Ya i saw that too^^ eagle at nascar.com and I'm not so big on taking away Rockingham but i do like the idea of Texas getting a second race date. I go there every year and I'd enjoy going there twice a year.
 
I know this will probably stir up a mess, and I'd like to say I would rather not see either Darlington or Rockingham lose dates. That said though, if 1 of them has to, I'd rather see Darlington stay on the schedule.
 
I am glad that Texas got another race. I go to the Texas race every year. Now I will have to decide which one to go to.
 
You guys can say what you will about "cookie cutter" tracks but at least with Texas it's a place that drivers love to go because of the speed. The fact that about 200,000 people show up year in and year out doesn't hurt either. Heck last years race was pretty darn exciting to me, especially the finish.

Of all the tracks I've gotten to visit (Texas, Phoenix, Daytona and Talladega) i don't think it's coincidence that both Texas and Phoenix are always mentioned as tracks that would do well with a second date. They produce good races and good crowds. In fact, If they ace two race to give second dates I'd like to see one go to Texas and the other to Phoenix (rather than Vegas).
 
from the Daily Scene newsletter....

Sam Cherry, the attorney for Speedway Motorsports Inc. shareholder Francis Ferko in the lawsuit against NASCAR over race dates for Texas Motor Speedway, is denying a report that International Speedway Corp. could sell North Carolina Speedway and Darlington Raceway to SMI. "That speculation concerning Darlington and Rockingham is wrong," he told today's Orlando Sentinel. The Charlotte Observer reported this week that a proposed settlement might see the two tracks sold and two of their three Nextel Cup races divided between SMI's Texas and Las Vegas tracks.
 
Ok, the Tony. That makes it a done deal. Speculation, rumor, media, and then denial by the affected parties. That all adds up to its a done deal and they are just haggling over who sits where at the table. :(
 
Originally posted by 4xchampncountin@Mar 25 2004, 01:37 PM
I think Martinsville needs a 3rd date. ;)
Yeah :eek: also let Bristol have another night event as well :lol: :D Then put in another road course,perhaps give Richmond another event.....nah,that would be too exciting of a schedule to fit NASCAR's wishes :p :p :p Would be dang S-W-E-E-T though IMHO ;)
 
Darn you Tony!! :( You're spoiling a perfectly good hissy fit!!! :)
 
Originally posted by DE_Wrangler_2@Mar 25 2004, 08:50 PM
Darn you Tony!! :( You're spoiling a perfectly good hissy fit!!! :)
Just think, you'll get to have another hissy when the eventual outcome of this is that the Rock is closed with Texas getting the date.

I still think that NASCAR has way to much to loose in this to let it go to trial.
 
Remove the day race from Bristol..... then add a Night date at Talladega... yeah, thats enough to get me excited.
 
Remove the two RC tracks and replace them with another night at Bristol and a night race at Talledega. That would be good IMO.

:cheers:
 
Race on the best short tracks and road courses in the United States, and add in Charlotte, Homestead, Texas, California, and Michigan as the only tracks bigger than one mile.

:cheers:
 
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