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Friday, September 26

Earnhardt Jr.'s car too low; Sadler fastest
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TALLADEGA, Ala. -- Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s right foot was still hurting, but that wasn't the problem Friday. An illegal car ruined his qualifying run at Talladega Superspeedway.

Earnhardt, who has won a record four straight Winston Cup races at the high-banked Alabama trioval, was set to start 10th in Sunday's EA Sports 500. Then his No. 8 Chevrolet didn't get by the inspectors, who discovered the right quarter-panel was too low.

"A clear violation," NASCAR spokesman Jim Hunter said.

Earnhardt's time was disallowed and he had to take a provisional spot in the 43-car field. He'll start among the back-markers in 38th.

It was another setback for Junior, who hobbled into Talladega still feeling the effects of a rather benign-looking crash near the end of last weekend's race at Dover. He severely sprained his right foot, lapsed into unconsciousness with a mild concussion and wound up dropping from second to fourth in the Winston Cup standings.

Not to worry.

"I'm good to go," Earnhardt said. "Sharp as a tack."

Elliott Sadler won his second career pole with a speed of 189.943 mph, but qualifying is a rather meaningless pursuit at Talladega. In restrictor-plate racing, mastery of the draft is more important than speed. A car can jump up -- or fall back -- dozens of places in the matter of a few laps.

Jamie McMurray (189.395) will start beside Sadler on the front row. The rest of the top five was Jimmie Johnson (189.189), Sterling Marlin (189.137) and Jeff Gordon (189.085).

Earnhardt wasn't the only big name to take a provisional.

Matt Kenseth, who has a huge lead in the point standings, will start alongside Junior in 37th after a plodding run of 185.913 mph, which placed him 43rd out of the 49 cars that attempted to qualify.

Tony Eury, Earnhardt's crew chief, took the blame for sending out his driver in an illegal car.

"This is restrictor-plate racing, and you have to get everything you can get," Eury said. "We were just a little too low."

Like his father before him, Earnhardt is the undisputed king of this style of racing. No matter where he starts, everyone expects him to quickly make his way up front.

"I'm sure he's the guy we have to beat," Sadler said. "He may have to take his time the first few laps. I know he doesn't like where he's starting. But we all know he'll be up there at the end of the race. He'll be the guy pulling the train. We just have to figure out how to get around him."

Earnhardt has experience starting from the back at Talladega. In the April race, he had to drop to the rear of the field after putting in a new engine, but still came back to win his fourth in a row.

Now he's to got to overcome a poor starting position -- and the remnants of his Dover crash. Earnhardt said his head has cleared, and his crew made some changes in the car to make his foot more comfortable. There's extra padding around the shoulders and in the seat. The pedal has been adjusted. Junior also is trying out a new helmet.

"I blacked out in the car because my foot hurt so bad," he said. "After I hit the wall, I was still conscious. I put the net down and took my helmet off and then realized how bad my foot was hurting. It was just `Night, night.' It's so much pain you'd rather be unconscious. Your body just shuts off."

NASCAR, which is constantly tinkering with its restrictor-plate rules, has come up with a new set of guidelines for this race.

The plate opening has been changed from 7-8ths of an inch to 29-32nds of an inch - a barely detectable increase that will increase horsepower and maybe spread out the cars a little. The height of the spoilers also was raised a half-inch, offsetting some of the extra speed but providing better handling.

Jeremy Mayfield was the top Talladega qualifier in April at 186.489 -- 3½ mph slower than Sadler's pole-winning speed.

NASCAR was responding to driver complaints of unsafe conditions at Talladega and Daytona, the only tracks where restrictor plates are required. Without them, cars would easily top 200 mph -- speeds that have been deemed unsafe ever since Bobby Allison's car nearly flew into the stands at Talladega in 1987.

But the slower speeds lead to more tightly bunched fields, which give the drivers little room for error. One minor mistake can cause big problems. That was evident at the first three restrictor-plate races this year, all marred by major crashes.

"I don't think it will make much difference," said Ryan Newman, who qualified 12th at 188.285 mph. "You're still going to see the same strong guys up front."

Earnhardt certainly falls into that group. Junior is an expert on the subtle drafting tactics that make all the difference at Talladega. He's won the last four Winston Cup races -- not to mention a Busch series race -- but is still a long way from chasing down his father. The Intimidator, who died in 2001, won 10 races at Talladega.

Junior is carving out his own niche.

"I feel real confident that we can get five in a row," Earnhardt said before his qualifying debacle. "Winning four in a row was the hardest part because we were trying to break the record (he shared with Buddy Baker). But the five in a row doesn't bother me as bad. I'm feeling really confident."
 
I'm just shocked that they would stoop to cheating :eek: :rolleyes:
 
:yawner:

How did they pass pre-qual inspection and then all of a sudden be 1/16th of an inch too low?

Must not have been that "clear violation" during the inspection..
 
Originally posted by Highboy90@Sep 27 2003, 02:34 AM
Where's Paul! ;)
Good question. Yeah...he would get to the bottom of this ;)
 
He didn't pass because the shocks most likely didn't rebound properly. Happens a lot and a 16th of an inch isn't much. Yeh Paul would be all over this one!!
 
Well If you ask me, this is simply Nascar's way of saying, "You see, we won't allow the 8 team cheat, let alone anyone in Nascar..." But if you ask me this is simply to get the media off their asses with all of this accusing of DEI cheating. We'll see just how well they dominate on Sunday...

BTW...this is pure speculation and MO, plz dont take offense Jr fans....
 
Originally posted by Highboy90@Sep 26 2003, 09:34 PM
Where's Paul! ;)
That man could argue with the best of 'em, but damn I miss him not being here to do it.
 
Originally posted by Mopardh9@Sep 27 2003, 03:10 AM
He didn't pass because the shocks most likely didn't rebound properly. Happens a lot and a 16th of an inch isn't much. Yeh Paul would be all over this one!!
Actually, the quarter panel was too low. Tony Eury, Jr. admits they tried to "slip" it past NASCAR in an effort to gain every advantage.

Sooner or later, every team gets thier knuckles rapped. At least this shows Junior and his crew are not above cheating, or at least trying to cheat. BUt, keep in mind it is only cheating when you get caught. The rest of the time it is innovative technology. :rolleyes:
 
How silly.....these "caught cheating" threads....If it isn't worth cheating for, it's probably not worth having. Oh sure, some folks are (ahem) above such activity but I doubt they claim the prize very often.

I doubt there has ever been a Cup race winner who's team has not participated in one form of "innovative technology" at one time or another.

Best unasked for advice I can give is simple....

Get over it.

Your experience, opinions, and mileage may vary. :D
 
you guys are more up on the rules than me so why is it that when David Green was low he was sent home, and JR is still in? An infraction of rules counts as a run outside the top 36 therefore its goes to provisional? seems strange to me.
 
Originally posted by Whizzer+Sep 27 2003, 06:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Whizzer @ Sep 27 2003, 06:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Mopardh9@Sep 27 2003, 03:10 AM
He didn't pass because the shocks most likely didn't rebound properly. Happens a lot and a 16th of an inch isn't much. Yeh Paul would be all over this one!!
Actually, the quarter panel was too low. Tony Eury, Jr. admits they tried to "slip" it past NASCAR in an effort to gain every advantage.

Sooner or later, every team gets thier knuckles rapped. At least this shows Junior and his crew are not above cheating, or at least trying to cheat. BUt, keep in mind it is only cheating when you get caught. The rest of the time it is innovative technology. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
& if ya ain't cheatin', ya ain't tryin'!
 
Originally posted by NateDogg@Sep 27 2003, 07:47 AM
you guys are more up on the rules than me so why is it that when David Green was low he was sent home, and JR is still in? An infraction of rules counts as a run outside the top 36 therefore its goes to provisional? seems strange to me.
David green did not have a provisional because it was the first qualifying attempt.
 
but is it juniors fault? wouldnt it be his crew chief and who ever wolrked on the car? oh well, i dont think he (junior) cheated....but you know more then I do.
 
I've said it many times over..."If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin' hard enough". But I do think it is funny when they get caught.

What was it that the 24 team tried to sneak by with a few years back? Does anybody remember? It seems like something was made of titanuim that wasn't supposed to be.

Hey an edge is an edge. I still think that is kinda the goal of the sport. To make your car faster than everybody else's.
 
Jason Keller's #1 Pennzoil car incurred the same infraction as Jr's did. (Just a FYI)
 
I just can't figure out why they need more of an edge than the "special plates" the 8 team already gets. :lol:

Just kidding...sort of :rolleyes:
 
Nobody shoule blame JR or Sadler personally, it's NOT like they did the setups. They just have to suffer the consequences. Shoot, nobody's perfect!
 
Wonder how many other times they tried to "slip" it past NASCAR in an effort to gain every advantage and did not get caught as Tony Eury, Jr. admited in THIS case?
 
Originally posted by Highboy90@Sep 28 2003, 01:31 AM
Wonder how many other times they tried to "slip" it past NASCAR in an effort to gain every advantage and did not get caught as Tony Eury, Jr. admited in THIS case?
:huh: <_< :unsure:
 
Originally posted by Highboy90@Sep 28 2003, 01:38 AM
Got something to say? Just asking the obvious.
Not sure what you mean. I've said what I had to say. A certain amount of "cheating" is inherant to the sport. The entire goal is to make your car faster than everybody elses. Sometimes in that pursuit lines get crossed. I don't really think anybody is out there trying to outright do something blatantly illegal and try to get away with it. They may be, but I kind of doubt it.
 
Originally posted by kat2220@Sep 27 2003, 07:45 PM
Nobody shoule blame JR or Sadler personally, it's NOT like they did the setups. They just have to suffer the consequences. Shoot, nobody's perfect!
thats what I was thinking.
 
Originally posted by kat2220@Sep 28 2003, 12:45 AM
Nobody shoule blame JR or Sadler personally, it's NOT like they did the setups. They just have to suffer the consequences. Shoot, nobody's perfect!
I agree with this IF Jr and Sadler didn't know about it. IF they did then they are just as guilty as the Crew Chiefs. But I wouldn't be afraid to say they didn't know.
 
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