The cat is now out of the bag regarding Mayfield

This answers one question.

He also condemned NASCAR for acting as if its policies are above federal guidelines, and for not having a clear drug policy with a defined list of banned substances. Although NASCAR provided crews with a list of prohibited substances, drivers do not have one because NASCAR reserves the right to test for anything at any time.
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kelloggs5TLfan said:
This answers one question.
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So are you saying because he didn't have a list it's ok for drivers to use Meth?

Do you think ANYONE needs to see it in writing to know Meth would be a banned substance?

IMHO especially since of the seriousness of this drug that whole list thing is nothing but a smoke screen trying to muddy the water and cause confusion.

Why is this an issue with fans if the drivers are okay with the fact they discuss with Aegis Lab their medications and prescriptions and everything is okay.

One other thing I read was that the prescription for aderall (sp) didn't come from his Dr. but from an "Aging and Vitality Center Clinic"
 
Eagle1 said:
So are you saying because he didn't have a list it's ok for drivers to use Meth?

Do you think ANYONE needs to see it in writing to know Meth would be a banned substance?

IMHO especially since of the seriousness of this drug that whole list thing is nothing but a smoke screen trying to muddy the water and cause confusion.

Why is this an issue with fans if the drivers are okay with the fact they discuss with Aegis Lab their medications and prescriptions and everything is okay.

One other thing I read was that the prescription for aderall (sp) didn't come from his Dr. but from an "Aging and Vitality Center Clinic"
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I dont think i need to see it in writing that meth is a banned substance, but yes they do need to provide a list of what is banned or not banned.

It just creates another gray area that nascar does not need to have.
 
Just for the sake of argument, what if the samples got mixed up? Wouldn't it be interesting if next week Carl Edwards tested positive for Meth? Or would Kyle Busch make you all happy?

I had a false positive about fifteen years ago. Thank God the second test came back negative.
 
Smoke14 said:
Just for the sake of argument, what if the samples got mixed up? Wouldn't it be interesting if next week Carl Edwards tested positive for Meth? Or would Kyle Busch make you all happy?

I had a false positive about fifteen years ago. Thank God the second test came back negative.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't both test come back positive?
 
VaDirt said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't both test come back positive?
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Yes! But both samples were taken from the same person. You pee in a cup and then they split the sample into two containers. That is why I asked the question...

Plus, NASCAR's testing facility broke the seal on the second sample which disallowed an independent test.
 
buckaroo said:
Also, both tests were performed by the same lab.
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Correct. But I still have to ask the question... What if the person got the samples mixed up?

Jeremy would have been a little smarter to have hair samples pulled and stored during the initial testing.
 
Smoke14 said:
Yes! But both samples were taken from the same person. You pee in a cup and then they split the sample into two containers. That is why I asked the question...

Plus, NASCAR's testing facility broke the seal on the second sample which disallowed an independent test.
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So should they be taking the second sample from a different person?
Don't you think a sharp lab tech would be able to check the DNA?

I think it will come out that a "certified lab" can open a sample and still keep chain intact and NOT be contaminated, that is why they are certified. I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't video of the whole process.


NASCAR hasn't touched these samples, they haven't contaminated anything.
It is my understanding it is employess of the Lab that collects the samples, NASCAR does not touch them. I'll bet NASCAR does not even know who at the time is being tested as that is the Labs responsibility to run the testing program so the business (NASCAR IN THIS CASE) can not be acqused of having it out for someone.
Why would someone from this lab have it out for Jeremy or any other driver for that matter?

I had a business a few years ago with 100+ employees and was considering implementing a drug plan and I looked into how it works as I certainly had no clue or intent to actually run a program like that myself.

So sadly the NASCAR bashers are going to be disappointed because NASCAR did nothing wrong. They hired the #1 drug testing lab in the country to manage the drug testing program for them. "IF" infact there were improprieties NASCAR was actually a victim in this because they hired and payed to have this program run properly by professionals.


Listening to Moody on Sirius NASCAR Radio 128 the judge stated that Jeremy is subject to whatever testing NASCAR decides and at whatever interval's they decide.

Jeremy hasn't really won anything yet. Jeremy made the statement that the truth has come out, and I'm rather puzzled about that as no truth has come out, that's to come in the full court case.
 
Eagle1 said:
So should they be taking the second sample from a different person?
Don't you think a sharp lab tech would be able to check the DNA?

I think it will come out that a "certified lab" can open a sample and still keep chain intact and NOT be contaminated, that is why they are certified. I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't video of the whole process.


NASCAR hasn't touched these samples, they haven't contaminated anything.
It is my understanding it is employess of the Lab that collects the samples, NASCAR does not touch them. I'll bet NASCAR does not even know who at the time is being tested as that is the Labs responsibility to run the testing program so the business (NASCAR IN THIS CASE) can not be acqused of having it out for someone.
Why would someone from this lab have it out for Jeremy or any other driver for that matter?

I had a business a few years ago with 100+ employees and was considering implementing a drug plan and I looked into how it works as I certainly had no clue or intent to actually run a program like that myself.

So sadly the NASCAR bashers are going to be disappointed because NASCAR did nothing wrong. They hired the #1 drug testing lab in the country to manage the drug testing program for them. "IF" infact there were improprieties NASCAR was actually a victim in this because they hired and payed to have this program run properly by professionals.


Listening to Moody on Sirius NASCAR Radio 128 the judge stated that Jeremy is subject to whatever testing NASCAR decides and at whatever interval's they decide.

Jeremy hasn't really won anything yet. Jeremy made the statement that the truth has come out, and I'm rather puzzled about that as no truth has come out, that's to come in the full court case.
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Let me try this again. A drug testing company is hired by NASCAR. That company tests fifteen drivers and there are fifteen cups sitting on a shelf that need to be labeled and two of those containers get mixed up. If I remember correctly that said company tested fifty people that weekend.

Mistakes happen.

I am not passing judgement until the judge makes his decision.
 
And I'll ask again, don't you think they could and would if questioned check DNA?
Both samples tested the same so they were from the same person correct?
 
Smoke14 said:
Let me try this again. A drug testing company is hired by NASCAR. That company tests fifteen drivers and there are fifteen cups sitting on a shelf that need to be labeled and two of those containers get mixed up. If I remember correctly that said company tested fifty people that weekend.

Mistakes happen.

I am not passing judgement until the judge makes his decision.
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So, I guess what you're saying is that it could have been Tony Stewarts sample then? :eek2:
 
Eagle1 said:
And I'll ask again, don't you think they could and would if questioned check DNA?
Both samples tested the same so they were from the same person correct?
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Let's wait and see. Just maybe the "expert witness" has tested the DNA of the urine against Jeremy's DNA.
 
The samples are Jeremy's, anyone who does lab work knows you always label the specimen before you go on to your next person. It's not like they all came in at the same time to give their sample. I don't remember any part of the lawsuit indicating it wasn't his sample just that the area wasn't sterile so it could have been contaminated.
 
Heard an interesting take on why Nascar is reluctant to have a list. Nyquil is legal. But, if you drink 4 bottles of Nyquil are you really in any shape to drive a race car? Thus they go by if they have a reason to think you are impaired regardless of the source. Kinda makes sense when seen that way. They are responsible for the safety of the other teams to a certain extent.
 
It's a shame that this whole thing has gotten so out of hand. Who's in the right and who's not is up to the courts to decide. If Jeremy's test were a result of a false positive, it will be a real shame for the sport, no matter what happens. If his tests were true and he gets away with it, that too will be a shame. All of the samples have now been tainted and so all we can do is go by what the court says.

It's no secret that Jeremy is not one of the brightest stars on the circuit and for that reason, many fans have either they don't care one way or the other, or they are backing NASCAR blindly. But I wonder what might have been the case of one of the brightest stars did test positive. Not that I'm a conspiracy nut, but would NASCAR think twice in announcing that, say Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, or God forbid, Dale Earnhardt Jr. tested positive. One would guess that before anything was said and done, NASCAR would make absolutely sure of the outcome, probably even testing three, four or even more times just to make sure. And when I think back many years ago when the Senior Earnhardt seemed to passout during a parade lap, I don't recall hearing anything about if NASCAR did any testing.

NASCAR is huge business and there's no question that they had to do something, and their choice was certainly the right one, but I just don't think that they ever thought that poor Jeremy might not only take them to task with the courts, but to actually win round one. They probably thought that Jeremy would appeal the decision with NASCAR's panel and that would be it.

I find it ironic that even within the drivers, there is differing opinions. While Jeff Burton is right that safety is the ultimate concern on the track and he doesn't like the possibility of racing against Jeremy, the elder statesman of the drivers, Mark Martin said that he has no problem racing with Jeremy.

It'll be great when there is an answer to this and it will no longer be in the press.
 
And Jeremy keeps his hair short so you can't test that for results. If Nascar is serious about fighting this they could keep it tied up in the courts for a few years. Does Jeremy really have the money to fight them? He's been tainted now so getting a sponsor will be doubly or triply hard. And, he can't count on his winnings to keep him in races with the way he runs. People will always look at him as a meth head regardless of what the court finds. The best he can hope for, IMO, is a settlement that will keep him comfortable. His racing days are over.
 
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